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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 12, 2017 22:37:44 GMT -6
Thanks guys, I'll think on that. achase4U, let's say I did want to add a delay to the last word of a line. I could set the delay where I want, turn it off, and then go to automation and just turn it on and off at the right moment. Later you can fine tune the automation. Wouldn't bringing the fader down and back up, which is trickier, be more prone to mistakes? In that instance, you’d be cutting the return of the effect. If you do that, it can sound quite jarring especially if it is a repeating delay effect with lots of feedback. If you automate the send on or the last word of a phrase, then turn it back off, that one word or so gets sent to the effect, and the return stays open so the delay will ring out true. Lots of different ways to skin a cat. I prefer to automate sends but will usually wind up making moves on both sides of things.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Nov 13, 2017 2:06:36 GMT -6
a 3rd approach is to just put that single word on it's own track with the delay being used as an insert. no sends involved whatsover. Probably not possible if you're using a DAW with limited track counts.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 13, 2017 5:23:14 GMT -6
Logic X mixer is to me pretty much the same like a mixing board. The Auxes are your FXs outbaord. You can set different monitoring levles for tracking and mixing if indipendent monitoring level is engaged. It more easy than ever before...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 13, 2017 8:39:19 GMT -6
mrholmes,Jeremy, Chuck, correct me if I'm wrong. If I put an effect on an Aux track, and wanted to have a delay on only a few spots, couldn't I also use "Latch" on the Aux tracks, keeping it off, and then just click it on and off where I want the delay effect?
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 13, 2017 9:29:44 GMT -6
mrholmes,Jeremy, Chuck, correct me if I'm wrong. If I put an effect on an Aux track, and wanted to have a delay on only a few spots, couldn't I also use "Latch" on the Aux tracks, keeping it off, and then just click it on and off where I want the delay effect? You need to understand the basic signal flow of your mixing desk.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 13, 2017 10:25:24 GMT -6
mrholmes,Jeremy, Chuck, correct me if I'm wrong. If I put an effect on an Aux track, and wanted to have a delay on only a few spots, couldn't I also use "Latch" on the Aux tracks, keeping it off, and then just click it on and off where I want the delay effect? The issue with that is the fact that your delay will be taking the send signal at all times regardless of where the delay aux fader is. So let's say you have a line that says "Ohh baby you make me crazy" and you want the delay on "crazy". You push up your delay channel fader just before "crazy", however the delay feedback from the words "make me" are still trailing off and cover up the word "crazy" to a degree. That's because the receive end fader was moved, and it is constantly receiving the signal from the send if the send fader is up. The alternative is to leave the delay fader up, and the send fader down. This means nothing will be triggering the delay until the send goes up. So you push the send up for "crazy" and it very cleanly triggers the word without remnants of previous feedback on the words "make me" The other thing is word partials. If you just wanted the delay on the "y" of "crazy", you would push up your fader at that point, however the delay would feedback with the entire word at that point because it's being fed the signal the entire time. Send automation allows you to control which words and which parts of words are actually feeding the delay. Sometimes I will automate both channels to isolate a word, then control the delay feedback decay. Save
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Post by terryrocks on Nov 13, 2017 10:29:00 GMT -6
He didn’t cover where EQ sits in the signal flow. I would assume right after the initial signal.
A couple years back I subscribed to Macprovideos for a couple of months and one of their Logic courses had a really good treatment on Logic X signal flow. Wish i had downloaded that one.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 13, 2017 11:25:16 GMT -6
mrholmes,Jeremy, Chuck, correct me if I'm wrong. If I put an effect on an Aux track, and wanted to have a delay on only a few spots, couldn't I also use "Latch" on the Aux tracks, keeping it off, and then just click it on and off where I want the delay effect? support.apple.com/kb/PH13172?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 13, 2017 11:38:44 GMT -6
Thanks mrholmes. I see that touch mode would allow me to lower or raise automation volume. I usually went to the automation on the track, highlighted the whole automated track, then tried adjusting volume by dragging the automation up or down while holding option down.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 13, 2017 12:17:05 GMT -6
And people wonder why I keep insisting that using a hardware console is easier, faster, and more logical..................
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Nov 13, 2017 13:28:04 GMT -6
And people wonder why I keep insisting that using a hardware console is easier, faster, and more logical.................. it's not hard to teach yourself the proper way to use DAW tools, it just takes time and motivation. Martin John Butler, it seems like you have not entirely learned how Logic's mixer works and how to replicate the workflow you're used to from decades ago using analog gear, which ends up getting you into lots of trouble. if you haven't read this, take a look at Chapter 16, which explains the Logic Pro X Mixer. itunes.apple.com/us/book/logic-pro-x-user-guide/id960809726?mt=11 perfect example: did you know that you can toggle a fader's level between two values via a key command? I sure didn't!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 13, 2017 14:50:28 GMT -6
Thanks Chuck, I know I'm deficient in learning Logic properly. I'll take a look at tat link this evening when I can.
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Post by wiz on Nov 13, 2017 15:32:08 GMT -6
You used to be able to subscribe to mac pro video, for a month for a dollar!
I did that when I first went mac, and logic
I sat down and watched a bucket of logic training videos.... got me up and running in no time.
There is also music tech help guy on You Tube, who has a full training suite of videos on Logic Pro X, no real excuses other than effort for not learning .... 8)
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 13, 2017 16:11:04 GMT -6
"no real excuses other than effort for not learning .... 8)
Except maybe enough free time.. ;-) This DAW/Logic stuff takes time.
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Post by bradd on Nov 13, 2017 16:48:04 GMT -6
I'll second the Music Tech Help Guy video series. When I switched to Logic a few years ago I watched each of those, took notes, and made cheat sheets. I probably should look back over those because I'm sure I forget shortcuts that would make life easier, but those are very good resources.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 13, 2017 18:05:56 GMT -6
And people wonder why I keep insisting that using a hardware console is easier, faster, and more logical.................. Sure it is superior in many ways. But that's not to say there aren't many advantages to a DAW. Save
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 13, 2017 19:44:20 GMT -6
Its also a good idea to customize the shortcuts. I copy and pasted them into a colored JPG which is the background on a second virtual OS desktop.
Just in case I cant remember one.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 13, 2017 19:54:48 GMT -6
And people wonder why I keep insisting that using a hardware console is easier, faster, and more logical.................. I want to see you preparing a modern score with a hardware console. I think all possible clients wont call a second time.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 13, 2017 20:02:44 GMT -6
Modern score for what?
I’ll be straight up and say that I mostly use Pt and cubase. They both make lots of sense to me in how they work. But i can’t for the life of me get around in Logic at all... totally confusing program to me that is just not intuitive at all. Kinda frustrating when I’m at somebody’s studio who is running logic and i can’t figure out how to create an aux channel for a verb. Makes me feel like a total moron haha
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 14, 2017 13:41:58 GMT -6
And people wonder why I keep insisting that using a hardware console is easier, faster, and more logical.................. I want to see you preparing a modern score with a hardware console. I think all possible clients wont call a second time. I track and mix, I don't do scores. That's a totally different thing. I don't compose for orchestra, either.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 14, 2017 14:35:58 GMT -6
Modern score for what? I’ll be straight up and say that I mostly use Pt and cubase. They both make lots of sense to me in how they work. But i can’t for the life of me get around in Logic at all... totally confusing program to me that is just not intuitive at all. Kinda frustrating when I’m at somebody’s studio who is running logic and i can’t figure out how to create an aux channel for a verb. Makes me feel like a total moron haha Logic 10 is intuitive as hell to me 7/8 where a mess.... 9 was OK and 10 is a running horse.
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