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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 4:09:23 GMT -6
I honestly would rather get the Heritage just because the graphics look better (not afraid to admit it). But damn, the Warm has more features like a front mounted XLR and various inserts on the back, as well as an IEC power cable. Plus it's a $100 cheaper. funny enough, when I see front mounted XLR's on a piece of gear I immediately know I will not buy it... been a pet peeve of mine for 20+ years. It just screams unprofessional to me, and stuff sticking out always drives me nuts. Esp. on things like interfaces or 8 channel preamps. Absolutely hate that... creates a rats nest of mess, just could not stand it. maybe because I know that in real studios you won't see cables sticking out the front of the furniture racks. I know it's done for convenience and you don't have to use it, not knocking the choice; just a personal pet peeve due to my OCD... Damn ... up until then I was convinced you were gonna buy the Warm Informative review on both on the purple site, seems like both are winners. Post #1064 www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1194346-warm-audio-wa-73-wa-273eq-36.html
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Post by cdkelly on Mar 25, 2018 23:16:07 GMT -6
funny enough, when I see front mounted XLR's on a piece of gear I immediately know I will not buy it... been a pet peeve of mine for 20+ years. It just screams unprofessional to me, and stuff sticking out always drives me nuts. Esp. on things like interfaces or 8 channel preamps. Absolutely hate that... creates a rats nest of mess, just could not stand it. maybe because I know that in real studios you won't see cables sticking out the front of the furniture racks. I know it's done for convenience and you don't have to use it, not knocking the choice; just a personal pet peeve due to my OCD... Damn ... up until then I was convinced you were gonna buy the Warm Informative review on both on the purple site, seems like both are winners. Post #1064 www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1194346-warm-audio-wa-73-wa-273eq-36.htmlno, I'll be buying the Heritage. Several eventually... but to be fair I had enough inside scoop on both to make a more informed decision than I think most of the buying public really gets to understand and act on... to each their own.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 26, 2018 18:24:28 GMT -6
It will be interesting when someone pops the top on the H and compares to Stam and Warm. These are so close in price point, it will be interesting to know the major part differences as it’s not initially clear what the price differences actually represent. If they have all had custom transformer runs, you would think they may have ordered different production runs and some price diffferences arose there? It would seem the manufacturing costs will vary somewhat due to different countries and labour costs.
I find it hard to believe they are so actually different, if they all purport to be authentic clones, other than an exact copy, what does it actually mean ?
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Post by Guitar on Mar 26, 2018 18:25:44 GMT -6
I have heard the Heritage knobs are wobblier than the Warm knobs......... whoops, but that's a thing.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 26, 2018 18:40:36 GMT -6
Well that’s way more authentic as those crazy Brit assemblers were known for getting loose in general and with their fittings after one too many pints 🍺 !!
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Post by Guitar on Mar 26, 2018 18:51:50 GMT -6
Well that’s way more authentic as those crazy Brit assemblers were know for getting loose in general and with their fittings after one too many pints 🍺 !! That's a really funny post! I've had a few as well so extra points I mean pints!
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Post by ericn on Mar 26, 2018 19:14:22 GMT -6
Well that’s way more authentic as those crazy Brit assemblers were know for getting loose in general and with their fittings after one too many pints 🍺 !! Is it wrong that I want to spend $ chasing well built historically incorrect well built Neve like knobs?
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Post by Guitar on Mar 26, 2018 19:27:46 GMT -6
Well that’s way more authentic as those crazy Brit assemblers were know for getting loose in general and with their fittings after one too many pints 🍺 !! Is it wrong that I want to spend $ chasing well built historically incorrect well built Neve like knobs? I'm just waiting for the $399 Uli Behringer N73KT with correct knobs... wait for it... with correct knobs! Some will complain about the sound and knobs, and no one will complain about the price!
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Post by Quint on Mar 26, 2018 19:51:05 GMT -6
So, in some of the clips I've heard of both units, the Heritage seems to be slightly brighter and more bitey than the Warm. Obviously eq and compression can affect things, but that tonality difference seems to persist when I've compared clips of both units.
For instance, Kcat's posted clips of the Warm seem to have a nice, very sweet, slightly mellow (relaxed) tone. Not as bright or bitey as the Heritage, but sweet nonetheless, and also what I tend to associate with the Neve sound, at least my perception of it.
Based on the various clips I've heard, I'm inclined to feel that the Warm may provide something that the Heritage cannot, and vice versa. That being said, I'm also inclined to feel that I can get that more bright and bitey version of Neve-style tone with other Neve clones, including some of the Neve clones I already have (Vintech, Chandler), whereas the tone I'm hearing from the Warm may be harder to achieve with other Neve clones, the Heritage included.
For instance, the tone of Kcat's clips of his bass and acoustic recorded through the Warm remind me of bass and acoustic tones on Nevermind, for example. They're still different, obviously, but there does seem to remain a tone in his clips that remind me of those tones.
At this point, I'd say I'm interested in hearing what the Warm can do when the HF eq is boosted to attempt to achieve the same level of brightness as the Heritage. If the Warm can achieve the same level of brightness as the Heritage while still remaining slightly less bitey, I think that might push me toward the Warm.
Whichever one gets me more in the territory of Tom Petty's Wildflowers is probably the one I will ultimately choose. Though the Heritage seems a little brighter, which I like in some circumstances, if the Warm's eq can slightly brighten things up without adding an equal degree of bite, I think I may ultimately end up going with the Warm. I already have CAPIs if I need bright AND bite.
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Post by ericn on Mar 26, 2018 20:26:32 GMT -6
Is it wrong that I want to spend $ chasing well built historically incorrect well built Neve like knobs? I'm just waiting for the $399 Uli Behringer N73KT with correct knobs... wait for it... with correct knobs! Some will complain about the sound and knobs, and no one will complain about the price! Hunch is it won’t be long till we see one all surface mount on a tiny PCB with Midas Transformers!
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Post by kilroyrock on Mar 26, 2018 21:34:53 GMT -6
I'm just waiting for the $399 Uli Behringer N73KT with correct knobs... wait for it... with correct knobs! Some will complain about the sound and knobs, and no one will complain about the price! Hunch is it won’t be long till we see one all surface mount on a tiny PCB with Midas Transformers! At that point, get the alctron
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Post by Quint on Mar 26, 2018 22:03:31 GMT -6
Maybe it's been answered before, but are the transformers in the Elite series the exact same as those used in Heritage's other products? What about the inductors for the eq? Are the inductors in the Elite series the exact same ones used in the rest of Heritage's products?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 26, 2018 22:47:33 GMT -6
Quint in my tune the Vox is my wa87 into just the pre no eq other than default. I was using the eq on the di’d bass.. i’ll do some clips in the other thread, different passes just bringing up the high freq step by step.
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Post by cdkelly on Mar 27, 2018 0:51:08 GMT -6
Maybe it's been answered before, but are the transformers in the Elite series the exact same as those used in Heritage's other products? What about the inductors for the eq? Are the inductors in the Elite series the exact same ones used in the rest of Heritage's products? my understanding is that yes, they are.
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Post by cdkelly on Mar 27, 2018 0:56:52 GMT -6
I'm just waiting for the $399 Uli Behringer N73KT with correct knobs... wait for it... with correct knobs! Some will complain about the sound and knobs, and no one will complain about the price! Hunch is it won’t be long till we see one all surface mount on a tiny PCB with Midas Transformers! yes, and as I'm sure you are aware, Midas 'don't' make transformers. Sadly Uli Behringer weaponizes his acquired brands and forces them to do his will and degrade their own reputation by having their name spread around like butter wherever he feels they will do him some good. Just like TC Electronics putting out Behringer's $30 guitar pedals under the TC name, Midas are treated as such and have been for quite some time, starting with Behringer's digital mixers that began featuring 'Midas powered' preamps on them... I actually knew an engineer at Midas once, and I asked him what kind of technology-related data flow went back and forth between them and their parent company; and his answer was absolutely zero. Midas engineers have never been taken off task to design a transformer and Uli has never asked for their preamp schematics to share with Behringer's console division, etc. It's never happened... Midas (intellectually) have remained isolated; but their name has been co-opted quite a bunch to the point I imagine their engineers are really lamenting their sale to Behringer... Anwyay, I know that's a bit off topic, but thought that was amusing and worth sharing.
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Post by ericn on Mar 27, 2018 3:14:53 GMT -6
Hunch is it won’t be long till we see one all surface mount on a tiny PCB with Midas Transformers! yes, and as I'm sure you are aware, Midas 'don't' make transformers. Sadly Uli Behringer weaponizes his acquired brands and forces them to do his will and degrade their own reputation by having their name spread around like butter wherever he feels they will do him some good. Just like TC Electronics putting out Behringer's $30 guitar pedals under the TC name, Midas are treated as such and have been for quite some time, starting with Behringer's digital mixers that began featuring 'Midas powered' preamps on them... I actually knew an engineer at Midas once, and I asked him what kind of technology-related data flow went back and forth between them and their parent company; and his answer was absolutely zero. Midas engineers have never been taken off task to design a transformer and Uli has never asked for their preamp schematics to share with Behringer's console division, etc. It's never happened... Midas (intellectually) have remained isolated; but their name has been co-opted quite a bunch to the point I imagine their engineers are really lamenting their sale to Behringer... Anwyay, I know that's a bit off topic, but thought that was amusing and worth sharing. Yeah they have bastardized the Midas , TC, & Turbosound names! But the last time I talked to somebody at Midas it was “ they are at least spending money and letting us develop new product unlike Bosch” We all know they will do it, not that we want them too but it will happen! Of course if we are talking Midas labeled product that was relabeled other product do remember the XL200 was a DDA Q2 with a better preamp! So we could argue this is nothing new, of course the DDA Interface was a Dynacord and the “V” Midas’s were built in the Dynacord factory so we have been here before! But yeah Midas Transformers the magic winding machines of Behringer City! Maybe they will build a suburb Midas Town or Turbo Village were the workers live in TC Place and spend Uli dollars !
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Post by allbuttonmode on Mar 27, 2018 3:59:16 GMT -6
funny enough, when I see front mounted XLR's on a piece of gear I immediately know I will not buy it... been a pet peeve of mine for 20+ years. It just screams unprofessional to me, and stuff sticking out always drives me nuts. Esp. on things like interfaces or 8 channel preamps. Absolutely hate that... creates a rats nest of mess, just could not stand it. maybe because I know that in real studios you won't see cables sticking out the front of the furniture racks. I know it's done for convenience and you don't have to use it, not knocking the choice; just a personal pet peeve due to my OCD... The extra front mounted XLR is exactly why I found it interesting. Being able to plug in a mic on the fly in the control room, if needed. The pre obviously has XLR ins on the back as well, yes?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 27, 2018 6:20:49 GMT -6
Yes, there are xlr and trs on the back, so best of both worlds.
I can understand if you were using a whole bunch of mikes that all those cables out front is an eye sore but I typically single or double track, so 1-2 cables is no big deal. Also, they are all vertically aligned on the left so could be easily bundled with a wrap cable.
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Post by Quint on Mar 27, 2018 8:30:50 GMT -6
Quint in my tune the Vox is my wa87 into just the pre no eq other than default. I was using the eq on the di’d bass.. i’ll do some clips in the other thread, different passes just bringing up the high freq step by step. Cool. I look forward to hearing that.
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Post by cdkelly on Mar 27, 2018 13:28:30 GMT -6
yes, and as I'm sure you are aware, Midas 'don't' make transformers. Sadly Uli Behringer weaponizes his acquired brands and forces them to do his will and degrade their own reputation by having their name spread around like butter wherever he feels they will do him some good. Just like TC Electronics putting out Behringer's $30 guitar pedals under the TC name, Midas are treated as such and have been for quite some time, starting with Behringer's digital mixers that began featuring 'Midas powered' preamps on them... I actually knew an engineer at Midas once, and I asked him what kind of technology-related data flow went back and forth between them and their parent company; and his answer was absolutely zero. Midas engineers have never been taken off task to design a transformer and Uli has never asked for their preamp schematics to share with Behringer's console division, etc. It's never happened... Midas (intellectually) have remained isolated; but their name has been co-opted quite a bunch to the point I imagine their engineers are really lamenting their sale to Behringer... Anwyay, I know that's a bit off topic, but thought that was amusing and worth sharing. Yeah they have bastardized the Midas , TC, & Turbosound names! But the last time I talked to somebody at Midas it was “ they are at least spending money and letting us develop new product unlike Bosch” We all know they will do it, not that we want them too but it will happen! Of course if we are talking Midas labeled product that was relabeled other product do remember the XL200 was a DDA Q2 with a better preamp! So we could argue this is nothing new, of course the DDA Interface was a Dynacord and the “V” Midas’s were built in the Dynacord factory so we have been here before! But yeah Midas Transformers the magic winding machines of Behringer City! Maybe they will build a suburb Midas Town or Turbo Village were the workers live in TC Place and spend Uli dollars ! sure, and you may also recall ten or twelve years ago Digidesign was shooting pro videos to show off their 'Focusrite preamp powered' ProTools digital boards... and I found out they were not Focusrite preamps, not even the crappy platinum series China ones... They were Digi001 preamps or something close; but Digidesign did 'license' the Focusrite name... that was it. get the name, not the technology. People have been treated like idiots by a segment of this industry for quite some time...
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Post by sozocaps on Mar 27, 2018 14:58:52 GMT -6
So in johnkenn's clips what were the two preamps used ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 27, 2018 17:13:12 GMT -6
So in johnkenn's clips what were the two preamps used ? A = yet-to-be-released preamp and B = the Heritage EQ.
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Post by ericn on Mar 27, 2018 17:22:15 GMT -6
Yeah they have bastardized the Midas , TC, & Turbosound names! But the last time I talked to somebody at Midas it was “ they are at least spending money and letting us develop new product unlike Bosch” We all know they will do it, not that we want them too but it will happen! Of course if we are talking Midas labeled product that was relabeled other product do remember the XL200 was a DDA Q2 with a better preamp! So we could argue this is nothing new, of course the DDA Interface was a Dynacord and the “V” Midas’s were built in the Dynacord factory so we have been here before! But yeah Midas Transformers the magic winding machines of Behringer City! Maybe they will build a suburb Midas Town or Turbo Village were the workers live in TC Place and spend Uli dollars ! sure, and you may also recall ten or twelve years ago Digidesign was shooting pro videos to show off their 'Focusrite preamp powered' ProTools digital boards... and I found out they were not Focusrite preamps, not even the crappy platinum series China ones... They were Digi001 preamps or something close; but Digidesign did 'license' the Focusrite name... that was it. get the name, not the technology. People have been treated like idiots by a segment of this industry for quite some time... Yeah Chad I think this all means we are getting old!
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Post by cdkelly on Mar 30, 2018 21:57:06 GMT -6
sure, and you may also recall ten or twelve years ago Digidesign was shooting pro videos to show off their 'Focusrite preamp powered' ProTools digital boards... and I found out they were not Focusrite preamps, not even the crappy platinum series China ones... They were Digi001 preamps or something close; but Digidesign did 'license' the Focusrite name... that was it. get the name, not the technology. People have been treated like idiots by a segment of this industry for quite some time... Yeah Chad I think this all means we are getting old! true... speaking of old, I'm crawling back into bed... lol
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Post by cdkelly on Apr 13, 2018 11:34:25 GMT -6
Just got mine in today and can't wait to start tracking! Looks and feels 100% pro.
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