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Post by nomatic on Oct 30, 2017 16:55:02 GMT -6
I got a set of these on loan and they destroy my custom 3 way DEQX based speakers and just about anything else I have heard anywhere. Simply put they translate better quicker and don't activate room nodes nearly as much as a convention system (active cardioid bass) This is a significant step forward in tech... Back when there was more money in the industry I had a ground up engineered room but I now have a modded room with decent dimensions till I find the right property. These speakers in my temp room are out performing any situation I have worked in... I can not remember a single piece of gear making his much difference in 25 years at this. I have cut my mixing or mastering time by at least a third and the product is coming out superior. If you have the means check these out.... Attachment Deleted |
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 31, 2017 7:33:49 GMT -6
whats the price on these? Knowing you, I am sure they are incredible.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 31, 2017 7:39:19 GMT -6
whats the price on these? Knowing you, I am sure they are incredible. Look to be about 10k Euros. |
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 31, 2017 7:40:54 GMT -6
^gotcha, thanks
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 31, 2017 9:07:32 GMT -6
ouch !  |
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Post by nomatic on Oct 31, 2017 10:04:21 GMT -6
I feel like the time I am saving will pay for these in no time....
But yes Ouch...
Although With this Tech I Feel one can do really high end work in a well treated bedroom...
I have never heard speakers perform in practical application like these..
You can nail the midrange like a Amphion or NS 10 but make tight corrections in very low frequencies and the translation is insane..
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 31, 2017 10:35:50 GMT -6
I feel like the time I am saving will pay for these in no time.... But yes Ouch... Although With this Tech I Feel one can do really high end work in a well treated bedroom... I have never heard speakers perform in practice application like these.. You can nail the midrange like a Amphion or NS 10 but make tight corrections in very low frequencies and the translation is insane.. The site says these go down to 30Hz. That's bad ass. Different league pricewise than I can play in though. |
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 31, 2017 10:42:45 GMT -6
I feel like the time I am saving will pay for these in no time.... But yes Ouch... Although With this Tech I Feel one can do really high end work in a well treated bedroom... I have never heard speakers perform in practice application like these.. You can nail the midrange like a Amphion or NS 10 but make tight corrections in very low frequencies and the translation is insane.. True, but they are priced very far from bedroom level budgets, so that's kind of a moot selling point. |
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 31, 2017 10:43:02 GMT -6
But yeah, bad ass.
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 31, 2017 11:44:53 GMT -6
I feel like the time I am saving will pay for these in no time.... But yes Ouch... Although With this Tech I Feel one can do really high end work in a well treated bedroom... I have never heard speakers perform in practice application like these.. You can nail the midrange like a Amphion or NS 10 but make tight corrections in very low frequencies and the translation is insane.. True, but they are priced very far from bedroom level budgets, so that's kind of a moot selling point. All the same, if you are designing a studio control room with a intended budget, you might not have to spend as much on the acoustic design of the room, [which most users of 10-12K speakers usually do]. |
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Post by nomatic on Oct 31, 2017 12:33:25 GMT -6
Adam has essentially made the point I was trying to make...
From my perspective these are gonna save money in the long run.
I can't over state the jump in performance...
I am a full time working engineer and this is one of the few products I just have to talk about.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 1, 2017 6:21:09 GMT -6
Oh I get the value for a Pro !!!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 1, 2017 16:23:01 GMT -6
I feel like the time I am saving will pay for these in no time.... But yes Ouch... Although With this Tech I Feel one can do really high end work in a well treated bedroom... I have never heard speakers perform in practice application like these.. You can nail the midrange like a Amphion or NS 10 but make tight corrections in very low frequencies and the translation is insane.. The site says these go down to 30Hz. That's bad ass. Different league pricewise than I can play in though. I know other speakers that do 30 all day and don’t cost 10 racks but u know that already. Hope all is well bro! |
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Post by ericn on Nov 1, 2017 16:45:40 GMT -6
True, but they are priced very far from bedroom level budgets, so that's kind of a moot selling point. All the same, if you are designing a studio control room with a intended budget, you might not have to spend as much on the acoustic design of the room, [which most users of 10-12K speakers usually do]. No your still going to have to treat the room for LF, the Cardiod pattern is only for the mid and the directional effects of the wave guide below 100hz they are going to be pretty much Omni. Let's face it LF is where most of the treatment budget goes. Now I'm wondering about that 30hz, that's pretty low for 2 sealed 8's in such a small cabinet, I'm betting they are using a bunch of DSP below 100hz is ground plane and a above is in a chamber. Honestly I would rather 2 different graphs without smoothing and or a more real world measurement. If they can deliver 10K for an active 3way isn't that insane! |
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Post by nomatic on Nov 1, 2017 21:14:59 GMT -6
You definitely have to treat the room for LF....
The speakers no doubt go to 30 Hz as I have pushed them to test. The sub drivers are very stiff and quick with a lot of power behind them and I am certain they are gained up against there roll off.
What is interesting is that the back of the 8C is radiating so much less LF info even below 100 HZ than my previous sealed boxes.
In practical application you could get way with less treatment because of the way these load the room.
All I know is that they work better than any system I have ever used.
Stoked!!
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Post by Darren Boling on Dec 15, 2017 0:55:04 GMT -6
These are very intriguing to me. Could be a replacement for both my Barefoot MM35 and Amphion One18's. I always wanted a cross between the 2.
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Post by nomatic on Dec 15, 2017 8:05:55 GMT -6
I had Barefoot MM27s and have used the One18s...
The D & Ds have what you seek...
The midrange info and balance issues are very clear like the Amphion but with a much bigger and broader Image.
Best Monitor I have ever used in particle application.
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Post by Darren Boling on Dec 15, 2017 17:02:57 GMT -6
Thanks for the info. I think it was you at this site or the other that mentioned the mids being like ATC, which I love.
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Post by Darren Boling on Jan 2, 2018 23:19:36 GMT -6
Wanted to share that I've been in contact with Dutch & Dutch about a doing demo in LA. Looks like we're going to try to set something up for Feb if any other members are interested.
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Post by nomatic on Jan 2, 2018 23:34:55 GMT -6
Still floored by these Speakers!
Can't wait to hear your thoughts....
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Post by aremos on Jan 3, 2018 8:01:53 GMT -6
Would like to hear comments from anyone having used these, Kii & Amphion.
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Post by nomatic on Jan 3, 2018 8:12:31 GMT -6
I have used Amphion and they share the quality of giving a obvious view of what is out of balance in the macro of the mix.
The 8C has a much bigger and more detailed image like the combo of a ATC and a Amphion One18.
Love to hear the Kiis but I am done with speakers for now...
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Post by ericn on Jan 3, 2018 8:50:34 GMT -6
I have used Amphion and they share the quality of giving a obvious view of what is out of balance in the macro of the mix. The 8C has a much bigger and more detailed image like the combo of a ATC and a Amphion One18. Love to hear the Kiis but I am done with speakers for now... Do you know How many times I have said that last sentence?😎 |
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Post by nomatic on Jan 3, 2018 12:29:26 GMT -6
Yeah but I said for now!
I have been at this for a long time.....
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Post by aremos on Jan 3, 2018 13:33:52 GMT -6
To say that they're a mix between ATC & Amphion is a powerful statement! And if you've used both I'm now extremely interested.
In the long run they come out cheaper, I'd assume, since they're active. One of the things that is nerve wrecking is the choice of amp 100 or 500, One18 or Two18, One15 or Two15, etc.
Are you in Europe or US. Hopefully we can try them out here in the US
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