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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 5, 2017 21:10:10 GMT -6
Holy macaroni, have you seen this? It made me wonder if its sound, clocking and conversion is better than my UAD Apollo. I could sell my Apollo and keep my UAD quad satellite to run just about the amount of UAD plugs I use regularly anymore, and put the extra change toward a new mic. If the plug-ins included sound as good as Slate's or UAD's, at $899, this is amazing. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Discrete4
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Post by ericn on Oct 5, 2017 21:45:03 GMT -6
Holy macaroni, have you seen this? It made me wonder if its sound, clocking and conversion is better than my UAD Apollo. I could sell my Apollo and keep my UAD quad satellite to run just about the amount of UAD plugs I use regularly anymore, and put the extra change toward a new mic. If the plug-ins included sound as good as Slate's or UAD's, at $899, this is amazing. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Discrete4View AttachmentAntelope lacks the track record, depth of plugins and stability of UA to be considered a game changer, nice piece on paper but nobody dose what UAD dose like UAD.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 6, 2017 0:02:17 GMT -6
Antelope rubs me the wrong way big time... way too many product releases and before the products work flawlessly they dump them and put out a new model instead.... talk about your investment going obsolete before next mother’s day sheesh... not me...
My Apollo ( FW ) has run pretty much flawlessly for 4+ years on two drastically different OS X even bouncing between Console 1 SW and Console 2 SW which is not supported or recommended .. not to mention since I have the TB 1 card someone on windows would def fancy my Apollo! And when I get a new Mac that has TB I can swap the FW to the TB card 🤠🤘
Oh yeah antelope talks about latency but won’t ever post daw figures.. I record at 64 samples with Auto Tune And Verb + Dly auxes on my FireWire 800 Apollo running 32 bit Pro Tools 😂💰💯
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 6, 2017 6:21:53 GMT -6
I have heard first hand from salespeople that customers have returned their products due to significant problems with drivers: try before you buy !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 6, 2017 8:37:29 GMT -6
It's not that I'm not a UAD supporter, I've had an Apollo since the first week it was introduced. I have lots of their plug-ins that hold up better than some other companies I've tried. I do wish they update a little more frequently, as some seem dated now.
My Apollo's have worked like a tank, never failing. If it has a flaw, it's the conversion. Of course it can be argued the converters are fine, but when I hear tracks done with a Symphony, the Symphony tracks sound cinematic, lush, big, 3 D, and the Apollo tracks sound a little flat in comparison.
So, I was intrigued about this, wondering if perhaps they'd taken a jump to the next level with their preamps and converters at an affordable price.
I know little about Antelope Audio, but they don't seem to have a very good rep from the comments here. It still seems like a well integrated design. It looks like you could just buy it and really not need many more plus-ins.
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Post by Quint on Oct 6, 2017 9:13:51 GMT -6
They have had a lot of support and software issues, from what I hear. Maybe they've gotten things sorted out? I don't know. They sure do seem to release a LOT of products. Which has probably been part of the problem.... They seem to always be putting out something new, to the (apparent) detriment of support of products they've already sold. I'd take UA support over that any day of the week.
This new unit does have a lot of nice features for someone who doesn't need a lot of ins and outs though.
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 7, 2017 11:03:09 GMT -6
One thing no-one complains about is Antelope sound quality.
It's very good.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 8, 2017 10:14:38 GMT -6
That doesnt matter when the units don’t work properly out of the box!
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Post by Quint on Oct 8, 2017 12:27:34 GMT -6
I'll say this about some of the recent and these newest Antelope products. They appear to be going for UA's jugular. IF they've gotten their software and driver issues sorted out (and I'd say that the incorporation of Thunderbolt into their latest products may have made that an easier thing to accomplish compared to USB), these latest products offer everything that UA does with the Apollo's and then some. Antelope has also taken notes from Motu and now offer remote control by Android/IOS.
UA would be wise to take that threat seriously. A positive that may come from that is that UA will have to up their game and incorporate some things people have been asking about for a while. That new Discrete 8 from Antelope packs a LOT of desirable features into one unit, especially for the asking price, if the sound is there and the software kinks have been worked out.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 8, 2017 13:25:02 GMT -6
I'd like to try one.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 9, 2017 8:16:12 GMT -6
That would be cool, to record something like an acoustic guitar/vocal with a simple bass line and simple drum pattern. Then do a quick mix and bounce. Then we'd know which conversion, mic pres etc. is superior.
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 9, 2017 8:30:01 GMT -6
One thing no-one complains about is Antelope sound quality. It's very good. I think most of it has a glassy sheen to it, the 10M clock has some weird things to it, a lot of people get tired of it after long term listening
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Post by ericn on Oct 9, 2017 10:39:00 GMT -6
One thing no-one complains about is Antelope sound quality. It's very good. I think most of it has a glassy sheen to it, the 10M clock has some weird things to it, a lot of people get tired of it after long term listening Adam funny you should mention that, I know guys who have gone back to his older design Aardsync and Ronsendahl, not just for the added features! The guys are geniuses but they seam to have a bit of ADD, they need to hire a CEO who says " that's a great idea but will work on it once we get the products currently in our line working flawlessly" because we all know if they don't, soon they will either be forced to or be unemployed, they are good but not that good at this point!
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 10, 2017 6:04:23 GMT -6
I think most of it has a glassy sheen to it, the 10M clock has some weird things to it, a lot of people get tired of it after long term listening Adam funny you should mention that, I know guys who have gone back to his older design Aardsync and Ronsendahl, not just for the added features! The guys are geniuses but they seam to have a bit of ADD, they need to hire a CEO who says " that's a great idea but will work on it once we get the products currently in our line working flawlessly" because we all know if they don't, soon they will either be forced to or be unemployed, they are good but not that good at this point! I have ADHD. In higher percentages, from other people I assume. Tough game, but workable. The 10M clock gave me a giant "wow" right when I tried it. Then I started listening to it over time. It adds harmonic distortion and makes things 3D sounding. it also smooths over the top end. So this can be cool at first, but then after listening to it for a while, it starts to sound synthetic and fake. Not unlike some of my experiences listening through Antelope DAC units. Like the Zodiac for instance. I find it to be a terrible Monitoring box. The transients are all different from whats inside the computer.
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 10, 2017 18:23:45 GMT -6
One thing no-one complains about is Antelope sound quality. It's very good. I think most of it has a glassy sheen to it, the 10M clock has some weird things to it, a lot of people get tired of it after long term listening One thing almost no-one complains about...
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 11, 2017 7:43:28 GMT -6
^on the internet
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 12, 2017 9:59:06 GMT -6
It's the opposite. The Internet has a disproportionate amount of whiners and complainers.
Happy clients just get on with it.
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 12, 2017 10:04:35 GMT -6
I recommend you take what I am saying with a 10 lbs bag o' salt, Just my experience, with my ears, I have found, has mirrored others I have spoken with over the phone and in private messages. This is hearsay, surely. Best to listen for oneself. But, honestly, I was able to validate my long term listening of the Atomic Clock product, with their Oven Clock Boxes...with other people. But, I found I am less a fan of jitter exciters than most people.
peace
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Post by jakeharris on Oct 12, 2017 10:14:47 GMT -6
Was just philosophising about how useful a sample the Internet actually is, with any product.
Too many stealth sellers and serial complainers. The truth is probably always somewhere in the middle.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 12, 2017 10:28:24 GMT -6
I guess it's relative to price point. UAD's Apollo platform has delivered everything they promised for more than five years now, but if I had to pick nits, I'd say the conversion could be better. So, the consensus on Antelope is the conversion seems exciting at first, but after you get used to it, it's a little fake and glossy?
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Post by ericn on Oct 12, 2017 10:38:03 GMT -6
I guess it's relative to price point. UAD's Apollo platform has delivered everything they promised for more than five years now, but if I had to pick nits, I'd say the conversion could be better. So, the consensus on Antelope is the conversion seems exciting at first, but after you get used to it, it's a little fake and glossy? If you can get the drivers to work some have found that to be true.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 12, 2017 10:39:32 GMT -6
Well, I won't be rushing to buy one then. Only if I had it at home to try would I consider it.
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Post by john on Oct 12, 2017 10:53:02 GMT -6
ive been using an antelope for about a year. the sound is good. the i/o is great. the software is meh. support is ok. their online presence on the other site has some drama around it. speculation of phony accounts etc... not sure i would buy again but i think one benefit to their onslaught of products is that it may cause some of the other brands to consider more feature-packed products.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 12, 2017 11:06:21 GMT -6
One of their main dudes used to have Aardvark Audio. My first interface was a Pro Q2.
Not sure if it's fair to hold it against them still, but I got burned on that one, lost several hundred dollars in a short time frame.
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I think the main feature of ANY digital interface is the drivers and support. Sound quality is secondary to that. UA kicks it out of the park. Focusrite does pretty well. RME is renowned, etc. This is why it's good to stick with the big name brands--long term reliability and usability.
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If you want super duper ADC/DAC with your Apollo start putting those ADAT and SPDIF ports to work! Get some lavry, mytek, svart box, something going on. Especially for the main listening pair of line outputs. You could even configure a Symphony to standalone ADAT function and slap that on the Apollo, and have the best of both worlds.
I don't even listen to my Apollo. It tracks drums for me with Neve Unison preamps or SSL, but all my instrument and vocal mics are going through the Presonus DP88, and I'm listening through a Clarett.
Once in a while I put the Apollo to work for my summing mixer with its outputs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 21:56:09 GMT -6
ive been using an antelope for about a year. the sound is good. the i/o is great. the software is meh. support is ok. their online presence on the other site has some drama around it. speculation of phony accounts etc... not sure i would buy again but i think one benefit to their onslaught of products is that it may cause some of the other brands to consider more feature-packed products. I've never seen a company guerrilla market so hard on an online forum before. It's ridiculous. I definitely think they're pushing the entry level market to include DSP in their interfaces, which is welcome right now, but looking at the power of recent processors and the emergence of Thunderbolt etc. I can't imagine it's too long before Native performance starts to overshadow it, so we'll see how much of an advantage these platforms are.
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