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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 17:45:16 GMT -6
Martin John ButlerWhen you enable the VST your DAW should give you the option to relay your tracks as a "multi-out", well that's how it worked in PT and Samplitude for me. Then you just mix them like regular recorded drums. kcatthedog I'm still squarely on the fence, there's something not right about the sound.. Again they sound weak and a couple of people I've talked to have mentioned there's issues with phase coherence and that would accuratley explain the symptoms of what I'm hearing. I'm not noticing it in SSD / AD2 / NI etc. sure some of them sound faker than others but there's nothing that irks me about them sound quality wise. I'm a proponent of Toontrack stuff as well, I have EZdrummer 1 / 2 and SD2 with several SDX's.. I've been using it for years and I wouldn't say it unless I meant it ..
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 20, 2017 17:56:52 GMT -6
I have a deal on AD2 for about half price I think, so that is tempting and a lot more affordable. I sold my amphions to a friend running a studio but I must admit I am tempted by the new dyn 48s
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Post by popmann on Sept 20, 2017 18:00:56 GMT -6
ah, the HH problem you mentioned or did I misunderstand ? You did. It's a problem with APPLE's implementation of high hat messages in their "drummer track"---it's a proprietary message that no third party instrument currently responds to...despite all of them having the ability to play high hats continuously full open to tip closed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 18:08:55 GMT -6
I have a deal on AD2 for about half price I think, so that is tempting and a lot more affordable. I sold my amphions to a friend running a studio but I must admit I am tempted by the new dyn 48s Sorry if it's OT for anyone else, but I'd say dooo it.. It's a shame the Amphions are about the only pair I couldn't get my hands on so I can't compare, but the Dyn's are a stunning set of monitors irrelevant of price.. Would be very interested to see what you think of them .
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 20, 2017 18:09:50 GMT -6
ah , understood, thx, I wasn't implying there was something wrong with sd3 but if it doesn't play nice with apple and I use logic, then there is a problem: correct ?
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Post by popmann on Sept 20, 2017 18:13:24 GMT -6
When they put them on sale, you can buy the AD2 kits for $35/ea. There IS no app to buy. They just sell packages of like 3 kits and a handful of midi packs, etc. They are not equal. If anyone had WORSE sounds than EZDrummer, it was the first iteration of Addictive. IMO. All those Studio Rock and Prog....all those are the original kits. To me, I would start with the "2" kits. That would Be Fairfax 1&2.....United Pop, United Heavy....and then IF you want to get your 80s retro on, their previous expansion "Reel Machines" is to die for--sounds like Full Moon Fever and When Doves Cry had a baby-it's all those old drum machines only they recorded them to TAPE, and sampled from the tape. That's key, because you never heard those old Linn Drums and such recorded to digital....when they were all that was going, functionally all multitrack recording was analog tape.
You're a Logic User--you need to use Logic's Drumkit Designer. Download the Producer Kits. They are not only integrated with the Drummer Track 100%....which is a marvelous piece of tech....but, they sound good. Don't use the stereo kits posted above. Those sound like EZDrumme kits.
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Post by popmann on Sept 20, 2017 18:13:58 GMT -6
ah , understood, thx, I wasn't implying there was something wrong with sd3 but if it doesn't play nice with apple and I use logic, then there is a problem: correct ? It plays perfectly nice with Logic as far as I know.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 20, 2017 18:20:22 GMT -6
ok now I am confused I thought the whole point of your comment was that it (HH's) wouldn't due to the different communication protocol ? there doesn't appear to be an actual try b4 u buy demo either ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 20, 2017 18:24:35 GMT -6
When they put them on sale, you can buy the AD2 kits for $35/ea. There IS no app to buy. They just sell packages of like 3 kits and a handful of midi packs, etc. They are not equal. If anyone had WORSE sounds than EZDrummer, it was the first iteration of Addictive. IMO. All those Studio Rock and Prog....all those are the original kits. To me, I would start with the "2" kits. That would Be Fairfax 1&2.....United Pop, United Heavy....and then IF you want to get your 80s retro on, their previous expansion "Reel Machines" is to die for--sounds like Full Moon Fever and When Doves Cry had a baby-it's all those old drum machines only they recorded them to TAPE, and sampled from the tape. That's key, because you never heard those old Linn Drums and such recorded to digital....when they were all that was going, functionally all multitrack recording was analog tape. You're a Logic User--you need to use Logic's Drumkit Designer. Download the Producer Kits. They are not only integrated with the Drummer Track 100%....which is a marvelous piece of tech....but, they sound good. Don't use the stereo kits posted above. Those sound like EZDrumme kits. I do use the producer kits. I just start with the stereo kit, when I get my delta hooked up what I am planning is running the kick, snare and overheads out to 4 channel strips to use the delta eq and ob compression and then sending everything to a sub group in logic. I like logic drummer a lot !
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Post by popmann on Sept 20, 2017 18:25:32 GMT -6
No other DAW has a Drummer built into it. AT ALL. In any way.
Thus, Superior will work in Logic exactly like it works in every other DAW on the planet.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 20, 2017 20:16:27 GMT -6
The cool thing about it all is the invention of the DKD. I can lay down a drum part, which sounds not boring, within a few minutes. A littlte tweaking here and there sometimes I need to convert the DKD-Region to a Midi Track... give it a little mixing and playing the first guiter part over it is pure fun.
Its a true helper because its hard enough to do all the other things, it saves me from hours of programming drums right.
The DKD prducer kits sound as good as any other modern drum sampler - if you mix them different.
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Post by bartacusad on Sept 20, 2017 20:50:20 GMT -6
What kind of music are you guys doing where AD2 sounds better than SD3?! I know we're way off into subjective land here but I own both and they are not even remotely in the same universe IMO. I do country, rock, and pop and have yet to find a stock kit in AD2 that I would use on anything that I would call a final production. You'd be way better off buying the Nir Z samples from That Sound and using Battery.
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Post by popmann on Sept 21, 2017 0:10:11 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is claiming is sounds better than the new thing that like 3 people here have owned for 5 days and used it in zero projects. I think there are people listening to those clips and being underwhelmed comparing it to other clips. All of which is about as valuable as a shit sandwich.
I think they all suck in different ways. Toontracks can somehow take a vintage Gretsch kit and make it sound like a Def Nickel Rascal FlattsBack record. I love the Fairfax collection, and couldn't abide anything else in the XLN lineup--though I haven't tried the handful of newer ones. But, for quick demos it's all I need. I have no idea what I'd need to make final productions without a drummer, but honestly....I can't say that SONICALLY my stuff with real drummers is better than the demos. Quite the contrary--I think sampled drums have sounded better than real for 15+ years.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 21, 2017 8:06:24 GMT -6
What kind of music are you guys doing where AD2 sounds better than SD3?! I know we're way off into subjective land here but I own both and they are not even remotely in the same universe IMO. I do country, rock, and pop and have yet to find a stock kit in AD2 that I would use on anything that I would call a final production. You'd be way better off buying the Nir Z samples from That Sound and using Battery. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 21, 2017 8:08:09 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is claiming is sounds better than the new thing that like 3 people here have owned for 5 days and used it in zero projects. I think there are people listening to those clips and being underwhelmed comparing it to other clips. All of which is about as valuable as a shit sandwich. I think they all suck in different ways. Toontracks can somehow take a vintage Gretsch kit and make it sound like a Def Nickel Rascal FlattsBack record. I love the Fairfax collection, and couldn't abide anything else in the XLN lineup--though I haven't tried the handful of newer ones. But, for quick demos it's all I need. I have no idea what I'd need to make final productions without a drummer, but honestly....I can't say that SONICALLY my stuff with real drummers is better than the demos. Quite the contrary--I think sampled drums have sounded better than real for 15+ years. I would venture to say that most everything we hear on the radio are samples.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 10:06:09 GMT -6
What kind of music are you guys doing where AD2 sounds better than SD3?! I know we're way off into subjective land here but I own both and they are not even remotely in the same universe IMO. I do country, rock, and pop and have yet to find a stock kit in AD2 that I would use on anything that I would call a final production. You'd be way better off buying the Nir Z samples from That Sound and using Battery. I do rock / metal mainly but again I've only heard samples and demo's of AD2 stuff and personally I still prefer these two: www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/drums/abbey-road-modern-drummer/The modern drummer one's sound fantastic to me.. I couldn't decide in the end, I bought both (NI modern and SD3)..! I mean SD2 is end of life and I bought it anyway so might as well right? Anyway, one thing to note with the SD3 core library unlike the SDX's there's ZERO post processing.. There were compressors and touch ups on the original SDX's so that might account for some of the discrepancies between the new core tracks.. Although I have SDX's so it's not like I have to use the core library anyway. Plus I wanted the song writing tools from EZdrummer.. Once I've had a proper play around I'll share some notes..
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Post by ragan on Sept 21, 2017 10:13:57 GMT -6
Question for you guys who do this drum VI stuff: Can I build any groove I want or am I putting together something out of pre-existing grooves? I'm a drummer and want, you know, exactly what I want played. Can I perform it via sample pads or something like that and then tweak the midi data till I like it? What's the procedure?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 21, 2017 10:53:13 GMT -6
Yes...you can play it with any pad controller or keyboard.
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Post by bartacusad on Sept 21, 2017 11:12:54 GMT -6
Yes...you can play it with any pad controller or keyboard. Also, if you have a friend with an ekit you can just have them play it and send you the midi. I do that with a drummer buddy of mone.
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Post by ragan on Sept 21, 2017 11:14:09 GMT -6
Yes...you can play it with any pad controller or keyboard. Also, if you have a friend with an ekit you can just have them play it and send you the midi. I do that with a drummer buddy of mone. Indeed but I want to get the take myself since I'm a picky drummer type person
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 11:48:31 GMT -6
Question for you guys who do this drum VI stuff: Can I build any groove I want or am I putting together something out of pre-existing grooves? I'm a drummer and want, you know, exactly what I want played. Can I perform it via sample pads or something like that and then tweak the midi data till I like it? What's the procedure? It's all recorded to general midi, you can literally just use your score editor in your DAW to build your midi tracks and it will work with SD.. Or like others have said use an E-kit / pads etc. Also they do come with pre-recorded midi tracks you can drop / drag and again edit in your score editor. Which is kind of cool because it's easier than trying to randomise velocities between different strokes.
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Post by popmann on Sept 24, 2017 13:47:31 GMT -6
So, folks who bought it....still blowing your mind?
elsewhere, I've found that 100% of the people going on about how amazing this is used Superior 2 or EZD2 primarily previously. Anyone here love it coming from....something else? And if Superior 2, what was the main SDX you were using?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 14:50:35 GMT -6
So, folks who bought it....still blowing your mind? elsewhere, I've found that 100% of the people going on about how amazing this is used Superior 2 or EZD2 primarily previously. Anyone here love it coming from....something else? And if Superior 2, what was the main SDX you were using? I'm using for songwriting, it has some cool midi features.. I'm using the progressive foundary SDX and of course the core library. As for the actual mix, nah.! Abbey road modern drummer (which I got like two days ago) sounds so much better, to the point I can't understand how some think it's the other way around. The triggering is far more natural between phrases, I do a lot of fast heavier stuff so it becomes far more apparent.. The presets are great ball parks and the inbuilt effects are good enough that I don't have to split the tracks, all I did was add the transient master on the buss for the NI stuff then shape the snare as it was a little bright / hard.. It's less fiddly across the board and easy to get it the way you want it.. The NI stuff is smaller size wise and less CPU intensive, I can happily run my interface at 64 samples with it enabled unlike SD3.. You can check it out via a demo unlike the Toontrack stuff so there's nothing to loose. Don't get me wrong in the VST world I'd probably put SD3 as a firm second in a lot of cases but I'm glad I got both really, one for songwriting and one for the final product. Personally though I'd just get EZdrummer 2 and some decent expansions if you've never owned SD, although I had SD2 already so for support reasons alone it was a logical upgrade.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 24, 2017 16:04:44 GMT -6
So, folks who bought it....still blowing your mind? elsewhere, I've found that 100% of the people going on about how amazing this is used Superior 2 or EZD2 primarily previously. Anyone here love it coming from....something else? And if Superior 2, what was the main SDX you were using? I'm using for songwriting, it has some cool midi features.. I'm using the progressive foundary SDX and of course the core library. As for the actual mix, nah.! Abbey road modern drummer (which I got like two days ago) sounds so much better, to the point I can't understand how some think it's the other way around. The triggering is far more natural between phrases, I do a lot of fast heavier stuff so it becomes far more apparent.. The presets are great ball parks and the inbuilt effects are good enough that I don't have to split the tracks, all I did was add the transient master on the buss for the NI stuff then shape the snare as it was a little bright / hard.. It's less fiddly across the board and easy to get it the way you want it.. The NI stuff is smaller size wise and less CPU intensive, I can happily run my interface at 64 samples with it enabled unlike SD3.. You can check it out via a demo unlike the Toontrack stuff so there's nothing to loose. Don't get me wrong in the VST world I'd probably put SD3 as a firm second in a lot of cases but I'm glad I got both really, one for songwriting and one for the final product. Personally though I'd just get EZdrummer 2 and some decent expansions if you've never owned SD, although I had SD2 already so for support reasons alone it was a logical upgrade. I couldn’t disagree more...I don’t have ARMD, but I do have all the other incarnations...and I just don’t see how you could come to that conclusion.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 24, 2017 16:09:54 GMT -6
I’m not trying to pick on you here...but I just don’t want people to be swayed by that opinion as I have the direct opposite experience.
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