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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 8, 2019 9:04:44 GMT -6
So John, you just use the Bob Rock library in stereo, not multiple outs?
I've always taken the easy way out and used Superior Drummer II in stereo, but going forward, I'll try to use individual drums. I really didn't have the chops to tweak and process every drum in a meaningful way, so leaving it as is wasn't so bad. I would make minor adjustments like high hat volume, panning and ambient room sound levels in SD's mixer which is a sub mixer.
I vaguely recall reading that resolution was higher when using separate drums in SD, is that correct?
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Post by ragan on Mar 8, 2019 9:42:37 GMT -6
So John, you just use the Bob Rock library in stereo, not multiple outs? I've always taken the easy way out and used Superior Drummer II in stereo, but going forward, I'll try to use individual drums. I really didn't have the chops to tweak and process every drum in a meaningful way, so leaving it as is wasn't so bad. I would make minor adjustments like high hat volume, panning and ambient room sound levels in SD's mixer which is a sub mixer. I vaguely recall reading that resolution was higher when using separate drums in SD, is that correct? It’s the same audio being played back whether it’s coming out of a single track or several. Shouldn’t be any sonic difference.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2019 9:48:01 GMT -6
I used to break it out and record it to audio into the daw. Then treat it just like I would a normal drumset. Honestly, I need to do that again...just gotten lazy. With the BR stuff, I've been able to pretty much get what I wanted out the SD mixer. Although, I'd like to supplement the K&S in this latest song I'm doing...and better verb on the snare.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 8, 2019 10:00:26 GMT -6
Martin John Butler: you can also just break out a couple pieces for DAW treatment if you like (kick, snare) and leave the other pieces internal to the SD2 mixer.
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Post by ragan on Mar 8, 2019 10:20:50 GMT -6
I used to break it out and record it to audio into the daw. Then treat it just like I would a normal drumset. Honestly, I need to do that again...just gotten lazy. With the BR stuff, I've been able to pretty much get what I wanted out the SD mixer. Although, I'd like to supplement the K&S in this latest song I'm doing...and better verb on the snare. Why print it to audio?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2019 11:16:34 GMT -6
Just so it's like having real drum tracks...don't really have to, but takes the taxing off of the computer.
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Post by ragan on Mar 8, 2019 12:22:02 GMT -6
Just so it's like having real drum tracks...don't really have to, but takes the taxing off of the computer. Gotcha. I was just thinking if you’re running SD3 live as it is (with just a stereo out) you’d be no worse off processor-wise having it send to multiple auxes instead of the one stereo out.
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Post by drbill on Mar 8, 2019 14:20:45 GMT -6
I do as John does. Much better resolution on the automation. No worries if you have to recall years later. Ability to edit and slip stuff. Ability to correct MIDI slop. Etc.. Peace of mind.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 9, 2019 1:52:18 GMT -6
In sd3 and in logic, I always run the non stereo mix to have kick, snare and overheads available for tweaking: like a mix within a mix?
We are kind of reverse engineering? These drum packages put the stereo mix together for you but normally you’d have the real drum parts on your console before fx/plugs and you’d build your mix.
Martin, in logic you have the producer + kits, which actually do sound better, more resolution etc., then the normal kit and they are opened up to their parts for individual tweaking: try em and see!
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Post by mikec on Mar 9, 2019 11:36:48 GMT -6
It must have been fate. A 15% off coupon arrived in my email from Musicians Friend so I couldn't resist and pulled the trigger on the Bob Rock, Rock Foundry SDX. Now for a couple hours of downloading.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2019 13:06:09 GMT -6
It must have been fate. A 15% off coupon arrived in my email from Musicians Friend so I couldn't resist and pulled the trigger on the Bob Rock, Rock Foundry SDX. Now for a couple hours of downloading. Try the Nashville punch preset. Killer.
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Post by mikec on Mar 10, 2019 12:04:55 GMT -6
After an all night download session, Bob Rock is up and running, and the Nashville Punch preset is sweet.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Mar 10, 2019 14:54:53 GMT -6
Nice, Bob Rock expansion is great. Progressive is still my favorite for the type of music I do.
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Post by lcr on Mar 11, 2019 6:49:22 GMT -6
Ive always bounced all virtual inst to audio. In fact, I keep tracking / producing / composing sessions seperate from mixing. Export stems all import into a new session with MIX added to the title. Then, you have a fresh(er) mix perspective and your CPU will thank you. I couldnt imagine having all that virtual stuff still live at the mix phase. But hey, thats just me... always remember “6 different ways to drive to the beach”
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Post by mikec on Mar 11, 2019 8:18:00 GMT -6
Like a lot of others unless I am lazy or in a real hurry I tend to print my SD3 drums out to their own tracks in pro tools and then mix them with plugins and hardware. I typically just print the drums without any of the SD3 effects. With that being said, with the Bob Rock SDX and as JK recommended the Nashville Punch preset, I'm not sure I can do a lot better mixing the individual tracks over what I get mixing in the SD3 mixer starting with the preset.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 8, 2019 11:27:10 GMT -6
It must have been fate. A 15% off coupon arrived in my email from Musicians Friend so I couldn't resist and pulled the trigger on the Bob Rock, Rock Foundry SDX. Now for a couple hours of downloading. Try the Nashville punch preset. Killer. You think this is worth the scratch over the stock SD3 library? I've also got the Indiependent SDX. I have a 20% coupon expiring today that could knock a few dollars off this pack (that's never on sale).
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 8, 2019 11:27:50 GMT -6
BTW, I don't like a real processed drum sound. It would sound fake and out of place with what I'm doing right now.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 8, 2019 12:55:28 GMT -6
Man...I’d hate to lead you astray, but going back to the other libraries is a major disappointment to me now. I posted some samples somewhere.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 8, 2019 12:59:37 GMT -6
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Post by mikec on Apr 8, 2019 13:34:50 GMT -6
Try the Nashville punch preset. Killer. You think this is worth the scratch over the stock SD3 library? I've also got the Indiependent SDX. I have a 20% coupon expiring today that could knock a few dollars off this pack (that's never on sale). I've got the Indiependent SDX, Avatar, Music City, and the New York Series, but the Bob Rock with the Nashville Punch preset is pretty much all I've been using lately.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 8, 2019 14:08:14 GMT -6
Well then...
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 8, 2019 14:10:56 GMT -6
Wasn't Indie just on sale last week ?
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Post by ragan on Apr 8, 2019 19:00:01 GMT -6
BTW, I don't like a real processed drum sound. It would sound fake and out of place with what I'm doing right now. Any of these libraries offer the raw sound of the drums. I don’t use the SD3 processing cause I haven’t liked it that much. But I also haven’t used it that much so I don’t put much weight on that view. But if you like the drums, the room and the tracking engineering, how “processed” a sound you get out of it is totally up to you. It’s just raw drums at its heart.
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Post by mitchkricun on Dec 1, 2019 9:40:32 GMT -6
Ever the Trailblazer, I think I’m going to jump in on this “SD3” that all the kids seem to be talking about these days, despite there being no BF sale... The plan is to also pick up the Bob Rock SDX as well.
So, for those of you that already went through this, I’m wondering if there’s any advice you could impart, to make for a smooth process. Like a, “If you knew then what you know now”, what would you have done differently? What other libraries should I be looking at, download strategy, SSD drive?, etc. Thanks!
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Post by drbill on Dec 1, 2019 10:22:55 GMT -6
From their demos, I decided I didn't like SD3 enough to jump in hip deep. Instead I purchased EZDrummer2 and a couple of EZX libraries that I could use in SD3. If / when / why I move up to SD3, I'll actually save a few bucks because of the heavy EZDrummer2 discount. But first, I'm going to get my feet wet before spending so much and maybe more importantly, filling up my dwindling 4TB of SSD space.
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