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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 24, 2017 21:57:43 GMT -6
I thought some of you would like to hear some of what I recorded while the FLEA 49 was at my place. This is a track with which I have made numerous recordings on quite a few microphones to test their sound on my voice. I don't own the rights to the track, so this isn't something I would post on YouTube. I have some other stuff for that. Follow the link below and you'll find raw clips A, B, C, & D and a small karaoke track in 24, 44.1. The microphones where recorded simultaneously as most of shoot outs are. They were all recorded through the stock on board Apollo preamps. The microphones are the FLEA 49 (obviously), AA CM49, MK U67, & BLUE Bottle Rocket II with the B7 Cap. I'm curious what everyone thinks of these microphones. You're welcome to guess which is which or simply leave your thoughts on them. I think each of these is completely usable in a mix, but I have my preferences. www.dropbox.com/sh/gksy8w842usm2rj/AACYmvA3Gg6P4dafdbANXg-pa?dl=0
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 25, 2017 8:21:03 GMT -6
Briefly, on headphones, I liked D first, A second. Will try on speakers later.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 25, 2017 8:39:15 GMT -6
The one thing I will say is the last 30 seconds are the most revealing, particularly the high B at the end.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 25, 2017 8:51:05 GMT -6
yes, I was pressed for time, so played the first part, then jumped to the last part.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 26, 2017 12:25:50 GMT -6
No thoughts or comments? Just Martin?
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Post by Ward on Aug 26, 2017 14:16:29 GMT -6
I thought some of you would like to hear some of what I recorded while the FLEA 49 was at my place. This is a track with which I have made numerous recordings on quite a few microphones to test their sound on my voice. I don't own the rights to the track, so this isn't something I would post on YouTube. I have some other stuff for that. Follow the link below and you'll find raw clips A, B, C, & D and a small karaoke track in 24, 44.1. The microphones where recorded simultaneously as most of shoot outs are. They were all recorded through the stock on board Apollo preamps. The microphones are the FLEA 49 (obviously), AA CM49, MK U67, & BLUE Bottle Rocket II with the B7 Cap. I'm curious what everyone thinks of these microphones. You're welcome to guess which is which or simply leave your thoughts on them. I think each of these is completely usable in a mix, but I have my preferences. www.dropbox.com/sh/gksy8w842usm2rj/AACYmvA3Gg6P4dafdbANXg-pa?dl=0B. I couldn't care less what microphone it is or which ones I made feel bad, this is the one that works best on your rich dramatic tenor voice. My high end, a to high d, also jumps about 10-15db in level but pushed a lot more energy in high mid, presence to treble range and would react differently to those same microphones and recording chain.
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Post by aremos on Aug 26, 2017 14:40:25 GMT -6
Hi Vincent, Nice job. On "do" (of "fundo") & afterwards there's a change in sound. Not sure if it's a backing away of the mic or "compression". Anyway, mic C, on 1st time hearing it & on computer speakers, sounds like the one - so far. Will listen again. Thanks for going through the effort!
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 27, 2017 4:54:07 GMT -6
Thanks for the thoughts guys. Just going to give it another couple of days and then I'll post a key, and maybe a slightly different crooning vocal.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 28, 2017 12:18:30 GMT -6
Ok. For those who are curious, here is the Key for the samples: A: BLUE Bottle Rocket 2 with B7 B: Advanced Audio CM49 C: FLEA 49 D: MK U67 Martin John Butler it figures you liked D. You are a U67 guy my friend. Quit playing with the other mics and save for the MK U67. You also liked the BLUE which is U47ish, but cleaner. I imagine you'll enjoy the Stam SA47 when it comes. Ward , I totally get why you like this mic. I've been going crazy since I picked up the AA CM49. I knew right off the bat that it was really close to what I was looking for in a mic for my voice. I just want a little bit more on the low side. A good friend of mine who was a mix engineer and eventually mastering engineer out here in NY chose this mic too. His second choice was the FLEA 49, which was my first choice. I just like the bottom end of the FLEA and the 3D quality, although I admittedly EQed some top end into the FLEA when processing it (1db shelf at 10K). aremos , I probably was closer during the beginning of the phrase, because it sits in my low extension and not my tessitura. A little compression would fix that. The FLEA 49 was my overall favorite too.
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Post by jtc111 on Aug 28, 2017 12:22:05 GMT -6
You know what I like. I didn't want to spoil your reveal so I kept my mouth shut.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 28, 2017 12:25:18 GMT -6
You know what I like. I didn't want to spoil your reveal so I kept my mouth shut. Jim called out the FLEA 49 in every comparison I did. lol.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 28, 2017 12:30:42 GMT -6
B, C, A, D for me.
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Post by jtc111 on Aug 28, 2017 14:41:46 GMT -6
You know what I like. I didn't want to spoil your reveal so I kept my mouth shut. Jim called out the FLEA 49 in every comparison I did. lol. I know what we both like. ;-)
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Post by jakeharris on Aug 28, 2017 19:41:13 GMT -6
Ditto. D too dark and congested for me. Only one I wanted to switch off as soon as it came on (Senn HD25) B + C very close, both work.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 28, 2017 20:36:12 GMT -6
Just for fun I added another folder called crooning in the drop box link. In it are 4 files again all recorded simultaneously. One of the FLEA 49 through an emulation of a tele V76, another of the FLEA 49 through my UA610, the CM49 through the UA610, and the BLUE Bottle Rocket 2 with the B7 through my Tab Funkenwerk V78M. Curious what you guys think of this one. This song is going to be on the Christmas album I'm planning.
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Post by aremos on Aug 28, 2017 20:54:41 GMT -6
aremos , I probably was closer during the beginning of the phrase, because it sits in my low extension and not my tessitura. A little compression would fix that. The FLEA 49 was my overall favorite too. Vincent, Before you go out & get another 4x (47, 49, etc.) type clone you should seriously consider auditioning something else & of a different "ballpark". I've had all the FleAs for a while, Wunder, Horch (& countless others) and as a vocalist (tenor - dramatic) who does classical, jazz & pop, the following mics have come through as my favorites (of mics still in production): Sony C-800G Brauner VM-1 Chandler Redd Josephson 716 Bock 251 or if you need to go just a little darker: Josephson 715 Neumann U89 / TLM 170
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Post by jtc111 on Aug 28, 2017 21:31:36 GMT -6
Sony C-800G? Are you trying to get him murdered???
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 28, 2017 22:42:14 GMT -6
Sony C-800G? Are you trying to get him murdered??? I'm not sure the FLEA 49 won't get me killed by my wife. The Sony, I'd be dead. in all seriousness, aremos I'd try whatever I can get my hands on. I liked the Bock 251, but I preferred a 49 by Shannon that I tried at the same session. I haven't had the pleasure of trying any of the Josephsons. I'd love to try a Brauner VM1, but haven't yet. I don't know that the Sony would be what I was looking for, but I'd love to try one anyway. I enjoyed Slate's FG800M when I had the VMS, but not on my voice. I'd love to know more about the Chandler. My understanding is that it uses a U47ish topography with the built in Redd preamp. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by rowmat on Aug 28, 2017 23:31:25 GMT -6
251's according to many are somewhat bright in the top end. I don't find our Bock 251 (center) particularly bright. What it does have however is a very extended low end. The Flea 47 on the right has the classic U47 midrange presence and rich lows but is still not as extended in bottom end as the Bock. The Neumann U77 on the left is a transformerless FET from 1967 and is incredibly detailed. It doesn't work on every voice but when it does it can make the hair on the back of your neck stand on end. We also have a DIY Matador/Chunger C12 clone (not pictured) fitted with a Tim Campbell capsule and a NOS GE 6072 tube from Bowie. It still needs some fine tuning. I would like to try a Flea 49 but I don't think the local distributor has one in stock.
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Post by timcampbell on Aug 29, 2017 1:51:05 GMT -6
I do work for David from time to time and this is exactly his aestetic. He prefers low end extension over extra air in his capsules.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 29, 2017 7:18:39 GMT -6
The Bock 251 sounded fantastic on my wife and is on my list to pick it up for her down the road. Going to be getting her up in front of the BLUE Bottle Rocket with the B0 and the Advanced Audio CM251 to see which will work best for the album. Right away I can say the AA CM251 will be slightly darker with more saturation qualities and the BLUE a bit brighter with a beautiful clarity. She may also sound good on the B8 cap which is a bit like an M269 or slightly bright U87 with a tube. The B6 was too bright. She sounds great on my U87ai on more operatic pieces, but there was something missing when she crooned.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 29, 2017 8:06:31 GMT -6
Just for fun I added another folder called crooning in the drop box link. In it are 4 files again all recorded simultaneously. One of the FLEA 49 through an emulation of a tele V76, another of the FLEA 49 through my UA610, the CM49 through the UA610, and the BLUE Bottle Rocket 2 with the B7 through my Tab Funkenwerk V78M. Curious what you guys think of this one. This song is going to be on the Christmas album I'm planning. For the Crooning, A, C, B, D. A and C are fairly close, and D is the clear loser for me on this one.
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Post by spock on Aug 29, 2017 22:02:12 GMT -6
Sony C-800G? Are you trying to get him murdered??? I'd love to know more about the Chandler. My understanding is that it uses a U47ish topography with the built in Redd preamp. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Hi, Just saw this, and hope to clear this up... The REDD Microphone, only pays homage in appearance to the U47 (head basket), and the painted bell (251), other than that, it is its own thing and not a clone of anything.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 30, 2017 6:12:02 GMT -6
I'd love to know more about the Chandler. My understanding is that it uses a U47ish topography with the built in Redd preamp. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Hi, Just saw this, and hope to clear this up... The REDD Microphone, only pays homage in appearance to the U47 (head basket), and the painted bell (251), other than that, it is its own thing. Thanks. What kind of capsule does it use?
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Post by spock on Aug 30, 2017 8:01:46 GMT -6
Hi, Just saw this, and hope to clear this up... The REDD Microphone, only pays homage in appearance to the U47 (head basket), and the painted bell (251), other than that, it is its own thing. Thanks. What kind of capsule does it use? Hi, not to derail the original thread...The large dia. capsule is custom handmade & hand-milled, featuring a platinum sputtered membrane.
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