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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 8, 2023 20:59:30 GMT -6
Thats right, Eric: mic is on a boom stand. I’m playing guitar or keys while singing. Beta87 is better when actually hand-holding the mic IMO, but I’m pretty much always playing something when I sing. Another sleeper that I used to really like was the EV RE500. That one never seemed to get much traction, but I thought it sounded great, though I personally had two different copies stop working on me mid-concert. So I just couldn’t stay with that one for very long due to reliability. The RE 510 and now 520 are revisions of that one. I really like the 510 I own a lot. Never had any trouble with it and, if I'm being honest, I don't really treat it as gently as I should. I'm not tossing it around like a 58, but it doesn't get babied either. Never had an issue. I routinely get "what is that mic you're using?" from sound guys and other singers. Do you happen to know anything about what changes (if any) EV made from the 510 to the 520? ericn , I’m tagging you on this, too. This is the kind of thing you usually seem to know something about, especially when it comes to EV. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 8, 2023 21:05:36 GMT -6
The RE 510 and now 520 are revisions of that one. I really like the 510 I own a lot. Never had any trouble with it and, if I'm being honest, I don't really treat it as gently as I should. I'm not tossing it around like a 58, but it doesn't get babied either. Never had an issue. I routinely get "what is that mic you're using?" from sound guys and other singers. Do you happen to know anything about what changes (if any) EV made from the 510 to the 520? ericn , I’m tagging you on this, too. This is the kind of thing you usually seem to know something about, especially when it comes to EV. Sadly I really don’t know anything about Bosch era EV stage mics. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 8, 2023 21:54:48 GMT -6
The RE 510 and now 520 are revisions of that one. I really like the 510 I own a lot. Never had any trouble with it and, if I'm being honest, I don't really treat it as gently as I should. I'm not tossing it around like a 58, but it doesn't get babied either. Never had an issue. I routinely get "what is that mic you're using?" from sound guys and other singers. Do you happen to know anything about what changes (if any) EV made from the 510 to the 520? ericn , I’m tagging you on this, too. This is the kind of thing you usually seem to know something about, especially when it comes to EV. No idea. I have the 420 (same mic as 520 but with slightly different pattern) and the build quality is a little slicker. Not sure what else. |
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Post by wendelgee2 on Mar 25, 2024 18:09:08 GMT -6
Resurrecting this thread.
Curious how everyone has been liking the Lewitt.
I'm on the same quixotic journey to find a live mic "better" than the SM58. It's so murky and grainy. I have been singing a lot of bass/baritone tunes lately, so need a good bit of brightness to cut through, but not so much that it peels paint on high notes.
So far I've tried:
KSM8 - warm, and rich, and smooth. I love this mic, but it doesn't cut through enough for what I'm doing right now.
M88 - I really like to work the mic, getting close, quiet, and intimate, then pull away to let the loud stuff rip. With this mic, coming in close was a bassy mess. Holy cow that's a lot of proximity effect. Sorry, not for me.
AE5400 - Nothing but boomy proximity effect even standing 12" away. Worked okay when pointed at my eyes from that distance. Sad pass.
MD421 - too thin, and honestly just kind of strange to work with
Beta 57a - Grabbed this in the studio randomly. Now we're getting somewhere. Cut through. Nice detail. Easy to work it. Could get in close and get some girth, but not too much. Really a bit too crispy up top, though. Every S had me worried.
So, I guess I'm looking for Beta 57a clarity and presence, but a bit smoother, warmer...more elegant and less hard.
Thinking:
Telefunken M80
Austrian Audio OD505
Heil PR35
AKG D5 (Neil Diamond's live mic, apparently)
Appreciate any thoughts.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 25, 2024 18:30:12 GMT -6
Resurrecting this thread. Curious how everyone has been liking the Lewitt. I'm on the same quixotic journey to find a live mic "better" than the SM58. It's so murky and grainy. I have been singing a lot of bass/baritone tunes lately, so need a good bit of brightness to cut through, but not so much that it peels paint on high notes. So far I've tried: KSM8 - warm, and rich, and smooth. I love this mic, but it doesn't cut through enough for what I'm doing right now. M88 - I really like to work the mic, getting close, quiet, and intimate, then pull away to let the loud stuff rip. With this mic, coming in close was a bassy mess. Holy cow that's a lot of proximity effect. Sorry, not for me. AE5400 - Nothing but boomy proximity effect even standing 12" away. Worked okay when pointed at my eyes from that distance. Sad pass. MD421 - too thin, and honestly just kind of strange to work with Beta 57a - Grabbed this in the studio randomly. Now we're getting somewhere. Cut through. Nice detail. Easy to work it. Could get in close and get some girth, but not too much. Really a bit too crispy up top, though. Every S had me worried. So, I guess I'm looking for Beta 57a clarity and presence, but a bit smoother, warmer...more elegant and less hard. Thinking: Telefunken M80 Austrian Audio OD505 Heil PR35 AKG D5 (Neil Diamond's live mic, apparently) Appreciate any thoughts. PR35 will almost certainly have too much proximity for you. I’d recommend the Neumann… www.neumann.com/en-gb/products/microphones/kms-105/ |
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Post by ab101 on Mar 25, 2024 19:40:16 GMT -6
Lewitt MTP 550 DM Dynamic Vocal Microphone. Thanks Plinker!
Smooth - great on male and female voices!
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Post by nicksteinborn on Mar 25, 2024 21:40:53 GMT -6
My band recently switched to SE V7s per our FOH's request and we've really been liking them. Clearer than the 58s and more natural sounding than the Senn e945s a couple of us had.
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Post by wendelgee2 on Mar 26, 2024 5:43:44 GMT -6
Resurrecting this thread. Curious how everyone has been liking the Lewitt. I'm on the same quixotic journey to find a live mic "better" than the SM58. It's so murky and grainy. I have been singing a lot of bass/baritone tunes lately, so need a good bit of brightness to cut through, but not so much that it peels paint on high notes. So far I've tried: KSM8 - warm, and rich, and smooth. I love this mic, but it doesn't cut through enough for what I'm doing right now. M88 - I really like to work the mic, getting close, quiet, and intimate, then pull away to let the loud stuff rip. With this mic, coming in close was a bassy mess. Holy cow that's a lot of proximity effect. Sorry, not for me. AE5400 - Nothing but boomy proximity effect even standing 12" away. Worked okay when pointed at my eyes from that distance. Sad pass. MD421 - too thin, and honestly just kind of strange to work with Beta 57a - Grabbed this in the studio randomly. Now we're getting somewhere. Cut through. Nice detail. Easy to work it. Could get in close and get some girth, but not too much. Really a bit too crispy up top, though. Every S had me worried. So, I guess I'm looking for Beta 57a clarity and presence, but a bit smoother, warmer...more elegant and less hard. Thinking: Telefunken M80 Austrian Audio OD505 Heil PR35 AKG D5 (Neil Diamond's live mic, apparently) Appreciate any thoughts. IMHO the M88 is one of the finest live mics. You could cut the proximity down via EQ. I'm guessing the "MD421" you mentioned is the current Neodymium model "MKII". OG MD421's have a thick tone. (Used by Grateful Dead back on the day) Chris Anything that needs EQ is a no-go for a live mic, in my opinion. I have enough to worry about when setting up for a show. In defense of the MD421, I didn't give it much time. I'll return to it with an open mind. |
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Post by brenta on Mar 26, 2024 8:28:07 GMT -6
With the booby-trapped mic clip, the 421 is not going to work for singers who switch the mic between hand and stand while performing.
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Post by antipodesjosh on Mar 26, 2024 12:16:23 GMT -6
M80 is good, has a bit of a high end lift but I enjoy the tone of it for most vocals. Allen Stone was using one when he toured here recently, sounded great.
The OD505 has been showing up more lately. It’s been used on tour by Muse, Bon Jovi, Jeff Beck, The Beths, Sting, Santana (according to the Austrian Audio site). Apparently has crazy gain before feedback.
As a live guy who occasionally records things, I like the AA gear – need to get one or two of these I think!
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Post by chessparov on Mar 26, 2024 13:24:23 GMT -6
AKG D790 here...
Chris
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 26, 2024 13:32:16 GMT -6
Trustly ol' SM58 for me, I won't record in a studio with it but live when I'm giving it the beans it's perfect.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 26, 2024 14:28:04 GMT -6
I can definitely add the Ham.  Attachments:
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Post by wendelgee2 on Mar 26, 2024 19:02:33 GMT -6
Trustly ol' SM58 for me, I won't record in a studio with it but live when I'm giving it the beans it's perfect. Unfortunately, it's when I don't want to give said beans that I struggle with it. Agree that it's great when you're belting. Have an OD505, M80, and e945 on their way. Will report back, if other baritones are curious. |
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Post by chessparov on Mar 26, 2024 21:58:03 GMT -6
AKG D790 here...
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 26, 2024 22:11:41 GMT -6
Trustly ol' SM58 for me, I won't record in a studio with it but live when I'm giving it the beans it's perfect. Unfortunately, it's when I don't want to give said beans that I struggle with it. Agree that it's great when you're belting. Have an OD505, M80, and e945 on their way. Will report back, if other baritones are curious. Me too, I'm one of those oddballs who works with flat mic's with high detail unlike 99% of people who sing like ever because I've never grown out of a choir boy style vocal, it's hilarious when you see a giant like me sing. You'd expect some gruff salt of the earth stuff but my word it's the exact opposite. I tried to take a KM105 onto stage and the engineeer was like WTF are you doing? Too much feedback, they might be stage mic's and suit better than most but IME dynamic's for stage, LDC's and SDC's for studio.
Also I've tried the E945, it didn't work but YMMV.. I would use an M88 or MD441 on stage but they're not cheap mic's for your drunk mate to spill beer on.
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Post by ragan on Mar 26, 2024 22:16:20 GMT -6
I'm still a total 58 dude for live vocals (I also really like them for tracking vocals). I recently did a fresh comparison between SM58/Beta58 and I slightly preferred the standard SM58 this time. I think the difference between them is overblown.
But either one, I just find to sound really flattering and natural, with nothing weird poking out.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 26, 2024 22:37:58 GMT -6
Unfortunately, it's when I don't want to give said beans that I struggle with it. Agree that it's great when you're belting. Have an OD505, M80, and e945 on their way. Will report back, if other baritones are curious. Me too, I'm one of those oddballs who works with flat mic's with high detail unlike 99% of people who sing like ever because I've never grown out of a choir boy style vocal, it's hilarious when you see a giant like me sing. You'd expect some gruff salt of the earth stuff but my word it's the exact opposite. I tried to take a KM105 onto stage and the engineeer was like WTF are you doing? Too much feedback, they might be stage mic's and suit better than most but IME dynamic's for stage, LDC's and SDC's for studio.
Also I've tried the E945, it didn't work but YMMV.. I would use an M88 or MD441 on stage but they're not cheap mic's for your drunk mate to spill beer on.
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 26, 2024 22:41:35 GMT -6
Aaron Neville has "done OK", with his Angelic Tenor Chris I appreciate that Chris, maybe I can stop burying my vox 10 dB under the music then.. |
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Post by Dan on Mar 26, 2024 22:52:51 GMT -6
Audix OM7 and OM11 for loud music.
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Post by christopher on Mar 26, 2024 23:29:11 GMT -6
No EQ?!!!
Dynamic workability?
Robust top end?
Ok.. that’s tough.
I’d just try every shure mic. Beta’s, unidynes, the Elvis mic, the lipstick and pencil mics, the LDCs, even the black forbidden mic. Beta 57 is pretty good at pretending to be a 58, that was my vocalist’s mic way back.. no EQ
neumann KMS105 is a great sounding mic on deep male voices. I never left it flat though, I used compression.. it has power!
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Post by christopher on Mar 26, 2024 23:55:52 GMT -6
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 27, 2024 3:31:53 GMT -6
I’ve tried a bunch of different mics live and depending on your board and speakers and the room, that can make a big difference on the way your mic is going to sound. Condensers work great if you have a decent PA and a good sound guy. Shure KSM9 Neumann 105 Shure 87a Older Sm58 made in the US Beta 58 was a little shrill for me, but sounded great on the female singer Telefunken M80/M81(I use to carry these two and depending on different venues I’d switch them out) Sennheiser 835/935(935 too clean for me) Tried the 945 and it was too clean sounding. I think it would work better on a female vocal. I mainly use an Senn 835 now because it’s not harsh and it has a little more bottom end and fills out the bucket more. I like the Shure KSM9 a lot too. Oh and a Heil PR35-The 35 had a huge bottom and a nice pickup, however it was weird in the mid and top and sounded to bitey and tight in the upper mids and highs. Kind of harsh and pointy in the upper mids for me These things are personal and depending on the voice it’s just like studio mics in a way. Some work others don’t. One night I preferred a cheap Samson mic on my voice even though the top end was almost not there. It sounded smooth and just worked in that room through that PA, and sounded pretty good . We just bought some RCF 912’s. They sound really good for monitors. |
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Post by wendelgee2 on Mar 27, 2024 6:50:14 GMT -6
I'm sure it's just the (low) level I'm operating at. We're usually band 2 of 3 on a night, get 15 minutes to set up, and we might get a minute or two to do a sound check...maybe. We often are running our own sound, etc. The SM58 is plug and play. Whatever the next mic is needs to do the same. Interesting about the mention of the Samson. I have one lying around that I've liked just fine in the past, but overlooked because it's so darn cheap. I'll put that in the mix for an open-minded test this weekend. |
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Post by doubledog on Mar 27, 2024 7:24:31 GMT -6
Anyone try the Earthworks SR117? For $200 it seems really enticing (although that's 2 x 58's).
btw, while I liked the tone of the sE V7 on some vocals, it always seemed like the internal pop filter was lacking (it pops a lot more than say a 58). Found the same with the Blue enCore 100. Sennheiser 835 always worked fine.
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