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Post by terryrocks on Apr 22, 2017 11:34:55 GMT -6
Wow, what a mic.
my bandmate borrowed a friends pair of um70s to track his dad's original tunes a couple weekends back. Conversion was digi002 (about 20 years old at this point).
holy hell, what a terrific, realistic sound image. His dad's stuff wasn't all that great, but it sounded phenomenal to my ears.
Now i've got a terrible lust for at least one of these beauties.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 22, 2017 11:44:25 GMT -6
Wow, what a mic. my bandmate borrowed a friends pair of um70s to track his dad's original tunes a couple weekends back. Conversion was digi002 (about 20 years old at this point). holy hell, what a terrific, realistic sound image. His dad's stuff wasn't all that great, but it sounded phenomenal to my ears. Now i've got a terrible lust for at least one of these beauties. I'll sell you a 002.
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Post by terryrocks on Apr 22, 2017 11:49:47 GMT -6
Ha! I had to practically give mine away 2-3 years ago. Only got $100 for it. Somehow I'm doubting the 002 being the better part of thta chain
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 22, 2017 12:01:17 GMT -6
The UMT 70 is a great microphone with a large dynamic range - and you cant have the one I own.... LOL
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Post by drbill on Apr 22, 2017 13:36:40 GMT -6
Wow, what a mic. my bandmate borrowed a friends pair of um70s to track his dad's original tunes a couple weekends back. Conversion was digi002 (about 20 years old at this point). holy hell, what a terrific, realistic sound image. His dad's stuff wasn't all that great, but it sounded phenomenal to my ears. Now i've got a terrible lust for at least one of these beauties.One is not enough. Yes, wonderful mics. They are my favorite OH mics shy of vintage C12's. Killer on vocals - as long as you get up close on em. Any acoustic instruments sound great. In fig-8 on the front head of a kick drum - phenomenal. Better than a U47FET IMO. A desert island mic for me no doubt. But one is not enough. I've got 3 M71's (UM70's, but cardiod only), 2 UM70's (multi pattern), and 2 M70's - SDC Nickel capsules. All are great mics - they get used ALL the time here. The M71's are my fav as long as cardiod is sufficient. I prefer the older slightly noisier, slightly less transparent TRANSFORMER models over the "T" transformerLESS models a hair, but I would gladly use any of them. Weird LOOKING mics though, but I don't care. I love putting them up and getting peoples quirky reactions - only to watch their jaws hit the floor when they hear what comes out of em.....
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Post by ericn on Apr 22, 2017 14:32:41 GMT -6
Wow, what a mic. my bandmate borrowed a friends pair of um70s to track his dad's original tunes a couple weekends back. Conversion was digi002 (about 20 years old at this point). holy hell, what a terrific, realistic sound image. His dad's stuff wasn't all that great, but it sounded phenomenal to my ears. Now i've got a terrible lust for at least one of these beauties.One is not enough. Yes, wonderful mics. They are my favorite OH mics shy of vintage C12's. Killer on vocals - as long as you get up close on em. Any acoustic instruments sound great. In fig-8 on the front head of a kick drum - phenomenal. Better than a U47FET IMO. A desert island mic for me no doubt. But one is not enough. I've got 3 M71's (UM70's, but cardiod only), 2 UM70's (multi pattern), and 2 M70's - SDC Nickel capsules. All are great mics - they get used ALL the time here. The M71's are my fav as long as cardiod is sufficient. I prefer the older slightly noisier, slightly less transparent TRANSFORMER models over the "T" transformerLESS models a hair, but I would gladly use any of them. Weird LOOKING mics though, but I don't care. I love putting them up and getting peoples quirky reactions - only to watch their jaws hit the floor when they hear what comes out of em..... Shh you keep talking like this and nobody will be able to afford them! But seriously these are the affordable classic, everything you were told the 414 would be only sweeter ! 3D real dynamic bloom ! The newer models don't have quite the 3D magic but still something very special!
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 22, 2017 15:14:49 GMT -6
The newer models don't have quite the 3D magic but still something very special! If I remember right, from what the Gefell techs told me from my last check up its based on the same idea ever since and there should not be a difference except THE UM70 was GDR made...
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Post by terryrocks on Apr 22, 2017 15:25:31 GMT -6
All things being relatively equal, if I were to spend that much on a mic I figure I might as well buy a brand new one. That seems to limit me to the umt70s
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Post by ericn on Apr 22, 2017 15:30:50 GMT -6
The newer models don't have quite the 3D magic but still something very special! If I remember right, from what the Gefell techs told me from my last check up its based on the same idea ever since and there should not be a difference except THE UM70 was GDR made... In the never ending quest to save us from ourselves the actual ingredients for the diaphragm have changed, something the folks at Gefell have no control over. That is world we live in where out pursuit has little real world significance, but we continue to breathe!
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Post by drbill on Apr 22, 2017 16:04:32 GMT -6
The difference between the UM70 and the UMT70 is that the UMT 70 is transformerLESS. Personally, I prefer the transformer models as they are a bit more euphonic to me. The transformerLESS models are a bit more transparent. Choose your own form of excellence. In later models, there was indeed a capsule change and in many experts opinions (I am not an expert at capsules) the older versions were superior. IMO, the best vintage of these is in the early to mid 90's. Not as beat up as the older GDR models, and before the capsule changes of the new millineum.
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Post by ericn on Apr 22, 2017 16:24:59 GMT -6
The difference between the UM70 and the UMT70 is that the UMT 70 is transformerLESS. Personally, I prefer the transformer models as they are a bit more euphonic to me. The transformerLESS models are a bit more transparent. Choose your own form of excellence. In later models, there was indeed a capsule change and in many experts opinions (I am not an expert at capsules) the older versions were superior. IMO, the best vintage of these is in the early to mid 90's. Not as beat up as the older GDR models, and before the capsule changes of the new millineum. Agreed but The Transformer do have their own sound, in the 90's when I was selling them like candy and should have been buying them like Bill, there was also an "S" version as well oh the world of Gefell!
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 22, 2017 16:39:42 GMT -6
The Gefell stuff is killer.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 22, 2017 16:41:34 GMT -6
By the way transformer out or in - who cares -if I track my voice with the figure 8 -UMT 70 S- and I have to mix this its like I am singing to myself in front of me... If I close my eyes its a nice 3 D picture and that is why the UMT70s stays as long as I record music.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 22, 2017 16:47:00 GMT -6
Anyone tried the 92.1? Has the M7. Not sure what the tube is.
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Post by ericn on Apr 22, 2017 16:55:32 GMT -6
Anyone tried the 92.1? Has the M7. Not sure what the tube is. Stock I have never been completely wowed, in the hands of someone like Shannon though they can become magical!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Apr 23, 2017 1:34:36 GMT -6
Anyone tried the 92.1? Has the M7. Not sure what the tube is. Is that the half moon one? I think that mic looks so bad ass ( the half moon one )
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Post by ericn on Apr 23, 2017 12:22:11 GMT -6
Anyone tried the 92.1? Has the M7. Not sure what the tube is. Is that the half moon one? I think that mic looks so bad ass ( the half moon one ) No 92 is modern um57, M7 Capsule can't remember the tube but the Achilles heal of the mic was the crappy Transformer, replace the Transformer a little tweaking here and there and a nice tube , you have a sleeper.
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 23, 2017 12:30:34 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure Seigfried is using an UMT70s on this recording/video.
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Post by drbill on Apr 23, 2017 13:18:03 GMT -6
impossible to tell from the video. Could be UM70, M71, UMT70, MT71. One thing is certain, it's not an OLD version.
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Post by joseph on Apr 23, 2017 14:09:17 GMT -6
Yeah the 70s/71s have this transparency but golden lift to them. Quite different from an 87. Wish I had a pair.
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Post by ericn on Apr 23, 2017 14:32:18 GMT -6
Yeah the 70s/71s have this transparency but golden lift to them. Quite different from an 87. Wish I had a pair. The local GC had a 47 FET a while ago, it was pretty but I kept thinking for $3K I would be happier to spend the money on 3 gefells . Same when ever someone tries to get me to bite on an 87.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Apr 23, 2017 16:49:33 GMT -6
They stayed on the acoustic guitar all week-end long this weekend. With a mono U47 for more meat. Wonderful !!
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Post by iamasound on Apr 24, 2017 5:45:37 GMT -6
I have a black umt70s which I love to pieces. It sounds great on most everything that I put in front of it. We are lucky here is Europe as it is much more affordable than in the States a bunch of hundreds less. Yes, one needs to get up close on vocals as the proximity effect with this baby is not pronounced until I get about 4 inches away. My other cool Gefell is their m930 which does have a very noticable proximity effect, and also has like the sweetest off axis capture that one can use to great advantage with shiney things like cymbals and the like. I also love it on instruments with lots of low end information like basses of all types as well as kicks and the bottom end of djimbes or other hand drums with bottom ends. Gefell mics are are sweet and I feel blessed to have the ones that I do.
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Post by gavg on Apr 24, 2017 10:20:13 GMT -6
I've had one of these beauties in the studio (on extended 'loan') for over a year now and it become one our go-to vocal mics. Also became a firm favorite on snare! Very musical mic. I also had the UM71 (multi pattern version) for a while but for some reason I didn't love it as much. Might have been psychological.
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Post by jimwilliams on Apr 24, 2017 15:54:17 GMT -6
I used to work on those when they were popular in LA 20 odd years ago. They have a Russky metal jfet and a small thick film audio circuit board. If that goes SOOL. There is a crappy el cap that should be changed and three .015 uf ceramic disc caps used for the bass roll-off switch. A Wima .047 MKP-2 100V polyfilm cap fits nicely.
These are also rf sensitive. Remove the ceramic caps off pin's 2 and 3 to ground and replace them with surface mount caps soldered across the pads on the rear of the circuit board.
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