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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2017 14:09:07 GMT -6
Oh, give me a break. Go take your guitar, and a couple buddies who play drums and bass and go to someone's garage and jam for a while. You sound like you're claiming songwriters are Gods among musicians and that we should bow down and worship your kind lol A whole lot of amazing music has been written by artists without the help of external songwriters. Hey jackass, if you've written a song, you're a songwriter. My God, just how stupid are you? Why don't you take a fucking hike if you have a problem with it?
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Post by swurveman on Mar 8, 2017 14:21:46 GMT -6
Signed.
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Post by b1 on Mar 8, 2017 16:32:56 GMT -6
Let's take a look at this scam system... it's corrupt from the bottom to the top. A TRUE liberal is generous with their own goods and services (not with-holding business profit but leaving room for personal decisions of charity - NOT dictated by others).
A socialist (commie) is generous with the goods and services of others (while enriching themselves and cutting others off at the pass; from interfering in the power scheme - same for business & gov.).
No one who isn't embedded in this current system will ever have a voice to LEGALLY determine their own destiny. The rigging of the law to collectively ham-string intellectual property in this venue has determined that. The commie in the seats have done your/our collective bargaining for you/us. It's fine for those who turn a blind eye to what they are in bed with, as they prosper in it. However, it will bite the millions who had their voices/rights taken away, by design.
I'm telling you boys, unless you jettison this scam out of your life and work together to build something better, you'll be spinning your wheels in the ditch. No one will pull you out. Sony has an angle in this campaign, just as Google had in their earlier campaigns to get the public behind them when it served their interests... not so much when the outcome was less beneficial to them. So maybe Sony can bump up they rate they pay out to some insignificant level while cutting their competition out.
Use of anti-trust laws against the likes of Google & Amazon is a better endeavor at this point in time... class action suit? Once these companies are reaching success in domination of multiple platforms, you are talking to a beast without ears. They only thing they hear is how their bottom line is affected. Hurt their pocket book and they listen better. Break them up and they are easier to manage by smaller number of patrons.
And the beat goes on... Who is your partner in this? It's certainly not your friend.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2017 16:54:48 GMT -6
Oh, I hear you. The Publishers are just as greedy as the others. These artist and writer deals are deals that wouldn't be made in any other business. But right now, they're the devil we know.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Mar 8, 2017 18:48:20 GMT -6
John, I'm not trying to be an ass. But your comment annoyed me. Have you never heard of the Grateful Dead or Fish or any jazz musicians? Thousands of artists who produced records with no help from hired songwriters. Your post seemed like you weren't acknowledging any of them or the hundreds of musicians who cut their own albums and release their own stuff (Wiz) without hiring a full-time writer to come up with the melodies/lyrics
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2017 20:04:58 GMT -6
Where did I say those people needed "hired songwriters" to write their songs? They ARE songwriters. All of those people are songwriters. They are either playing their own songs or playing someone else's. Do you think the Grateful Dead does this for the brotherhood? Hell no.
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Post by donr on Mar 8, 2017 20:24:53 GMT -6
I got that letter John got from SONY/ATV music, the publisher of BOC's music. It seems the Copyright Royalty Board does set the compensation for song writer/publishers for streaming.
What really needs to be addressed is the new paradigm of streaming and non-ownership of recorded music. Since no one wants to own music if you can hear anything anytime with streaming, the rate cannot be equivalent to terrestrial or especially satellite or internet radio. "Radio" is all there is, and it must be compensated adequately for content creators. It has to be more in line with mechanical reproduction royalties, divided by some factor of plays/owner, or some formula that is fair to the creators.
I signed. I hope the case can be made strongly enough for the CRB to think past the noise from the tech companies wanting the music for basically butkiss will make to the board.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2017 21:13:00 GMT -6
Were they going to rip on the case today?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2017 21:18:40 GMT -6
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-07/songwriters-sing-blues-over-diminished-royalties-from-streamingAwarding royalties for songwriters is a byzantine process. While record labels can negotiate with Spotify on the open market, songwriters’ rates in the U.S. are subject to government regulation due to a law written in the era of the player piano. Some publishers, which represent songwriters and administer their royalties, already have their own deals with the streaming companies, but the hearing this week gives them a chance to set a new bar for the arrangements. While recording artists have turned to touring to make up for lost CD sales, songwriters have no similar recourse. The number of composers working in Nashville has shrunk to less than 400 today from around 3,500 about 13 years ago, according to Lee Thomas Miller, one of the songwriters who may testify at the hearing. “Spotify or Pandora will play a song millions and millions of times, and those are worth $10,” said Miller, who has written hits performed by country stars Garth Brooks, Tim McGraw and Brad Paisley. “The business of songwriting and publishing is over unless they change the way we get paid.”
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 9, 2017 1:10:31 GMT -6
Please everybody use your significant other as another vote and signature. Do you have two emails and a first and middle name that are different 😂 Please get your loved ones involved ppl... It was easy for my GF... it went like this : Me: GF, babe you want that shiny ring 💍 help me sign this petition to where I write a hit I get fairly compensated. GF says: what do you mean?" Me:babe you know lady antebellum right... GF answers : " yes " Me: listen to this : plays the lady antebellum part Josh speaks on..." There most famous song was streamed 72 million times and they got paid $6000 for that," Me: babe imagine if they sold 72 million singles or 72 million records... if they had sold 72 million records and recouped $2.00 per record that's 144 million they would have made but nope $6000... GF says: " wait what that's insane " Me: I responded by handing her the iPhone with the link pulled up with her info already typed and had her press sign!!!! Voila 😃
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2017 7:19:16 GMT -6
What would be a fair price? Let's just say per million streams. What should a song generate via streaming?
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 9, 2017 9:28:25 GMT -6
What would be a fair price? Let's just say per million streams. What should a song generate via streaming? Why wouldn't it be as simple as applying classic percentages of what income those streams generate for the streamers? 10 to 15% to the artists? Royalties equivalent to mechanicals for songwriters? Maybe I'm being overly simplistic.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2017 10:03:58 GMT -6
What would be a fair price? Let's just say per million streams. What should a song generate via streaming? Why wouldn't it be as simple as applying classic percentages of what income those streams generate for the streamers? 10 to 15% to the artists? Royalties equivalent to mechanicals for songwriters? Maybe I'm being overly simplistic. That would make sense, wouldn't it? We have no way to know what they generate in advertising as they don't want anyone to know that...how about a thousandth (I think that's right) of what we make for mechanical sales? $.00925. That would be $9250 for every million streams. That would have been $666,000 for the 72 Million streams of "Need You Now". (Interesting number lol) I think he said the four writers split $6000? Can't remember. But that will never happen.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 9, 2017 10:06:04 GMT -6
What would be a fair price? Let's just say per million streams. What should a song generate via streaming? Ppl need to pay for Streaming...YouTube is free I even catch myself going on their to listen and log out and find the artist webpage.... I think it should be a sliding scale Streaming only I don't see why it can't be 1/3 the company the artist the investors split three ways
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2017 10:07:30 GMT -6
Hell, at this point how about $.000925? That would be $925 per million. That's still robbery, but SOME sort of compulsory rate would be a miracle. I'm sure Spotify and Pandora will say that would kill their ability to make a profit...but is that our fault that their company can't turn a profit on the back of someone else's property?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 9, 2017 10:08:40 GMT -6
Why wouldn't it be as simple as applying classic percentages of what income those streams generate for the streamers? 10 to 15% to the artists? Royalties equivalent to mechanicals for songwriters? Maybe I'm being overly simplistic. That would make sense, wouldn't it? We have no way to know what they generate in advertising as they don't want anyone to know that...how about a thousandth (I think that's right) of what we make for mechanical sales? $.00925. That would be $9250 for every million streams. That would have been $666,000 for the 72 Million streams of "Need You Now". (Interesting number lol) I think he said the four writers split $6000? Can't remember. But that will never happen. Not enough this is our music we own and create unfortunately the " ownership has been blurred " ... if you can buy a single for 1.29 off iTunes ( donattist still get 50-70% of the 1.29? ) then Streaming should be half of that like 50cents per stream maybe 25 cents split it 3 ways the artist the company the investor everybody eats equally
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2017 10:09:06 GMT -6
As someone pointed out, the dirty little secret is that the major labels (which are also the major publishers) own a stake in Spotify and Pandora.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2017 10:15:19 GMT -6
That would make sense, wouldn't it? We have no way to know what they generate in advertising as they don't want anyone to know that...how about a thousandth (I think that's right) of what we make for mechanical sales? $.00925. That would be $9250 for every million streams. That would have been $666,000 for the 72 Million streams of "Need You Now". (Interesting number lol) I think he said the four writers split $6000? Can't remember. But that will never happen. Not enough this is our music we own and create unfortunately the " ownership has been blurred " ... if you can buy a single for 1.29 off iTunes ( donattist still get 50-70% of the 1.29? ) then Streaming should be half of that like 50cents per stream maybe 25 cents split it 3 ways the artist the company the investor everybody eats equally It will just never happen. We are just asking for a living wage. The average Spotify employee makes $169,000 a year. Average Spotify executive salary is $1,300,000. CEO of Pandora made $6,500,000 last year. But they can't afford to pay the creator more than 3 ten thousandths of a cent for the use of their intellectual property.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2017 10:28:00 GMT -6
So - to equal the $6.5 million dollar salary that Pandora CEO Brian McAndrews made - under my proposed .000925 per stream, one would need 7 BILLION streams. We are not asking for too much.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2017 10:34:30 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 9, 2017 10:42:27 GMT -6
Note to self. Apply at Spotify. Stat.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2017 10:44:14 GMT -6
Note to self. Apply at Spotify. Stat. No shit, man...I've thought the same thing. Although, because the board makes so much money, it drastically skews the averages. Even if they make $30k a year. That's dramatically more than they're paying the people that create the content they use to make their money.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 9, 2017 10:48:21 GMT -6
So - to equal the $6.5 million dollar salary that Pandora CEO Brian McAndrews made - under my proposed .000925 per stream, one would need 7 BILLION streams. We are not asking for too much. That's still not enough The Pharrell math I got was 0.00006279069... 2700/43000000
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2017 10:50:11 GMT -6
I agree, I'm just trying to be "real world." They claim they pay .006 cents per stream which is laughable. It's not hard to prove that's BS.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 9, 2017 10:57:26 GMT -6
I agree, I'm just trying to be "real world." They claim they pay .006 cents per stream which is laughable. It's not hard to prove that's BS. They may pay that but who has their hands in the pot before the songwriter... so the songwriter sees a percentage ( seems lowest on the totem pole ) as well as the artist... IDK ... Do you know how well are Taylor swift co-writers doing? Doesn't she boycott Streaming or something ?
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