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Dec 15, 2013 13:03:02 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 15, 2013 13:03:02 GMT -6
You really think the Ross Martin could be "better" than the apogee?
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Dec 15, 2013 15:00:29 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Dec 15, 2013 15:00:29 GMT -6
You really think the Ross Martin could be "better" than the apogee? cant speak to the sound, but the parts he uses, and the fact that he's out of his garage allows big bang for the buck from an electronics standpoint. If i was looking, for the price and if you can deal with the wait time, it seems it'd be worth a try. Jim Williams spoke highly of them. |
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Dec 15, 2013 17:22:59 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Dec 15, 2013 17:22:59 GMT -6
Good Lord...That site IS confusing...Can someone point me towards just a 2 channel AD with a digital connection?
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Dec 15, 2013 19:51:29 GMT -6
Post by scumbum on Dec 15, 2013 19:51:29 GMT -6
Doesn't the Ross Martin work in standalone via SPIDIF? Yeah , I'm running SPIDIF out of my Digi 002 into the Ross Martian DAC . It also has Optical out , but I'm not sure how to use that connection . BUT.......and this is a big BUTT........I ordered mine with USB and headphone jack . Whats cool about the USB option is I can plug my Ross DAC into any computer and use it as a stand alone DAC . He says no software required , haven't tried it yet , but its cool if I ever need to do that . So if you bought both his A/D and D/A converters with the USB option's , you would just need a DAW like Reaper and your ready to record . Most 2 channel converters don't have USB , so like if you picked up the BLA Sparrows , A/D and D/A , you couldn't hook those straight up to a computer , you'd need another interface with SPIDIF . So Ross's converters are pretty bad ass that they can work stand alone with a computer through USB , |
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Dec 15, 2013 19:55:04 GMT -6
Post by Guitar on Dec 15, 2013 19:55:04 GMT -6
I'm considering the Schiit Bifrost Uber... the Emotiva looks really interesting at the current $500 price with great features, though. Benchmark DAC1 is also in the $500ish range used HMMMMM...
Great tip on the Ross Martin ADC I think I need one of those! For things that could do a little better than Audiofire, overdubs, extra inputs...
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Dec 16, 2013 5:35:03 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 5:35:03 GMT -6
Well.
If someone is confused if a piece of gear from a very small company can sound as good as another one a few times as expensive from a well known huge company, there is an easy way to resolve that. Buy the cheaper gear, test it, and if you are not pleased - sell it and report here, why you did not like it.
The RM converters are sought after. You might easily sell them without loss because there are enough people peeping for a good opportunity to get one without weeks or months of lead time.
And if you keep them, you made a great deal.
After we bought the first one 'blind', the second one was ordered immediately after first testing, and another one as an opportunity sale without thinking more than a few minutes. For that pricing you might want one for your living room as well...
Call me a fanboy, doesn't matter. If i am impressed by a piece of gear, i tell about it...no matter, how expensive it was.
I can also say, hey, i am a fan of Van den Hul / Array and Restek amps, for example, which is true also, and those are not particularly cheap at all....we power some esoteric Cabasse's with RM DAC and those amps in a living room.....
Best regards,
Martin
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Dec 16, 2013 20:26:27 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2013 20:26:27 GMT -6
So...I swear this Emotiva DC-1 sounds better than my Symphony... littlesicily, I need to bring this thing over and get your opinion...or maybe let you borrow it for a week or something. Maybe the Symphony is more true...I don't know, but I swear it seems to have a tighter, bigger bottom and smoother midrange and top. |
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Post by littlesicily on Dec 16, 2013 20:29:44 GMT -6
So...I swear this Emotiva DC-1 sounds better than my Symphony... littlesicily, I need to bring this thing over and get your opinion...or maybe let you borrow it for a week or something. Maybe the Symphony is more true...I don't know, but I swear it seems to have a tighter, bigger bottom and smoother midrange and top. Hmmm... I'm no expert but I'd say, a tighter bottom is a better bottom.  |
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Dec 16, 2013 20:30:10 GMT -6
Post by littlesicily on Dec 16, 2013 20:30:10 GMT -6
Kidding aside, yes let's shoot it out with my Ross Martin 4222.
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Dec 16, 2013 20:59:21 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Dec 16, 2013 20:59:21 GMT -6
ooo...yeah...I didn't know you had the DA too...Nice...
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 16, 2013 22:27:14 GMT -6
Ewwwwww! I really like the idea of this shootout!!! let us know your findings as soon as possible kids!
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Dec 17, 2013 9:57:16 GMT -6
Post by littlesicily on Dec 17, 2013 9:57:16 GMT -6
I'm a moron... I have the RM A/D. I meant to say my Crane Song Avocet DAC.
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Dec 17, 2013 11:55:05 GMT -6
Post by popmann on Dec 17, 2013 11:55:05 GMT -6
there's no scientific way to "shoot out" DACs used for mixing. You can shootout for a listening system--because you pick the one you like the sound of best. For mixing, that's a bad criteria. You simply have to do mixes with it...are the mixes better? Maybe more accurately--does the relative same quality come quicker/easier?
If John's having an issue with the Apogee DAC for mixing and it translating...what did you use before? Did you have the same issue? Your recent mix you posted is really bright. That would tell me either you're trying to make it sound like a modern MASTER-knowing your taste, possible...or your monitoring chain (DAC>amp>monitor) are DARK up top. Not, as you seem to think being too bright. If the mix ends up translating as too bright, the DAC/monitors is too DARK/Warm.
ADC is a different story, where subjectively better sound is mostly all that matters. But, ironically, you're guessing at what it sounds like without a flat DAC!
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Dec 17, 2013 16:57:36 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2013 16:57:36 GMT -6
If you think mine is bright, you should hear what I'm getting back from mix guys.
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Dec 17, 2013 18:12:27 GMT -6
Post by popmann on Dec 17, 2013 18:12:27 GMT -6
Here in town? No doubt. I can't listen to anything being put out. To clarify...I didn't mean to imply it was TOO bright...but, I thought I'd heard you say it was translating as too bright...and I thought it was very bright. Particularly the acoustic guitars. Just point out that if YOU think it's "too bright" in translation to other systems it actually means the monitors (meaning whole chain including DAC) are the opposite. If I misunderstood what you were saying about the Apogees, I apologize.
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Dec 17, 2013 18:19:10 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2013 18:19:10 GMT -6
I don't mind the bright so much as I mind the crunchiness.
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Dec 17, 2013 18:19:34 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2013 18:19:34 GMT -6
In the mixes I'm hearing.
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Dec 17, 2013 18:41:19 GMT -6
Post by popmann on Dec 17, 2013 18:41:19 GMT -6
Crunchies=lookahead limiters.
That SOS article about loudness tried to say it's the side effect of the tools to ACHIEVE the loudness rather than the loudness that's the problem...but, for an engineer, I don't see the reason to draw a distinction. It equals bad. I put an L2 on the other day just to play with "how much louder could I make it before it sucked"...the mix as turned in was DR11. I could get 2DB before stuff start to get crunchy. Which basically meant it will clip a few tom transients here or there in the song--maybe a wayward hard kick after the solo I shoulda automated down...but, as soon as it starts clipping any "meat" it's all downhill.
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