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Post by svart on Jan 23, 2017 12:14:15 GMT -6
So another question..
You guys know anything about getting a tape machine crated up and shipped? Is there a service that does these things, or do I have to simply contact every shipping company to find out if they'll do it?
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2017 12:52:16 GMT -6
So another question.. You guys know anything about getting a tape machine crated up and shipped? Is there a service that does these things, or do I have to simply contact every shipping company to find out if they'll do it? Easy to find craters in any yellow pages, finding one who knows what they are doing is another matter! The most economical and sane way to move a tape machine is hire someone you know and trust to fly to the location get a rental truck with lift, secure the deck and drive it ! Would not spend more than $750 without a head report, unless you have already priced new heads into the equation!
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Post by svart on Jan 23, 2017 13:04:15 GMT -6
So another question.. You guys know anything about getting a tape machine crated up and shipped? Is there a service that does these things, or do I have to simply contact every shipping company to find out if they'll do it? Easy to find craters in any yellow pages, finding one who knows what they are doing is another matter! The most economical and sane way to move a tape machine is hire someone you know and trust to fly to the location get a rental truck with lift, secure the deck and drive it ! Would not spend more than $750 without a head report, unless you have already priced new heads into the equation! Well, you aren't getting any tape machines for 750$, I can tell you that. Most I've looked at online are in the 2500-4000 range and may or may not have head reports.
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2017 13:16:56 GMT -6
Easy to find craters in any yellow pages, finding one who knows what they are doing is another matter! The most economical and sane way to move a tape machine is hire someone you know and trust to fly to the location get a rental truck with lift, secure the deck and drive it ! Would not spend more than $750 without a head report, unless you have already priced new heads into the equation! Well, you aren't getting any tape machines for 750$, I can tell you that. Most I've looked at online are in the 2500-4000 range and may or may not have head reports. HA That's more than I paid for my 440-2, 440-8 and a board I sold the modules from that paid for the pair of Ampex's ! The point is patience is what is need and even with tech skills like yours are pretty useless when the Achilles heel of a tape machin
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2017 13:29:47 GMT -6
Easy to find craters in any yellow pages, finding one who knows what they are doing is another matter! The most economical and sane way to move a tape machine is hire someone you know and trust to fly to the location get a rental truck with lift, secure the deck and drive it ! Would not spend more than $750 without a head report, unless you have already priced new heads into the equation! Well, you aren't getting any tape machines for 750$, I can tell you that. Most I've looked at online are in the 2500-4000 range and may or may not have head reports. HA That's more than I paid for my 440-2, 440-8 and a board I sold the modules from that paid for the pair of Ampex's ! The point is patience is what is need and even with tech skills like yours are pretty useless when the Achilles heel of a tape machine is an expensive gamble! I know guys who have used some of the big moving companies blanket wrapped, as well as shippers crate service. Here is the problem, that fun filled step of transport from pickup locacation to cratering or blanket wrapped service, it's just a generic large piece of freight! At best you score a deck near by that has an MRL that should be able to get an Idea of what you are buying except That MRL is either flaking in the box or all over the heads of your of your new baby! Remember Chris I have done this a few times !😀 I like tape I don't discourage the use of it , BUT I DO encourage extreme caution in buying a machine even for those who have experience in the heyday!
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Post by svart on Jan 23, 2017 13:47:04 GMT -6
Well, you aren't getting any tape machines for 750$, I can tell you that. Most I've looked at online are in the 2500-4000 range and may or may not have head reports. HA That's more than I paid for my 440-2, 440-8 and a board I sold the modules from that paid for the pair of Ampex's ! The point is patience is what is need and even with tech skills like yours are pretty useless when the Achilles heel of a tape machin Ah, maybe I wasn't clear originally, I'm looking to go 24 track..
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2017 13:48:19 GMT -6
The price won't be low but try Rock it cargo, they moved my last 2in and understand what they are moving, they made there mark moving Tours all over the world.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 23, 2017 13:54:28 GMT -6
svart, ever watch that shipping wars show? That show was based around this service. I imagine they must be insured and stuff. Could be worth checking out... www.uship.com
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Post by ericn on Jan 23, 2017 14:39:40 GMT -6
svart, ever watch that shipping wars show? That show was based around this service. I imagine they must be insured and stuff. Could be worth checking out... www.uship.com The 2 guys I know who used Uship for electronics did okay, with the insurance company 6 months after the shipping!
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Post by channelcat on Jan 23, 2017 19:09:47 GMT -6
i just saw that Pantera is selling their 1979 MCI JH16 2" on Reverb!
But honestly, i'd wait for the ZULU 8- and 16-ch units! They need to add a Scully option! Me and Eddie Kramer would be all over that!!!
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Post by illacov on Jan 23, 2017 21:36:59 GMT -6
i just saw that Pantera is selling their 1979 MCI JH16 2" on Reverb! But honestly, i'd wait for the ZULU 8- and 16-ch units! They need to add a Scully option! Me and Eddie Kramer would be all over that!!! Do you have a Scully that you could run some audio through for comparison? Totally down to make comparisons, approximations etc... Thanks -L.
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Post by channelcat on Jan 23, 2017 22:09:08 GMT -6
Do you have a Scully that you could run some audio through for comparison? Totally down to make comparisons, approximations etc... Thanks -L. Not anymore, unfortunately. But I got a feeling that the ZULU could be tweaked into that realm...8-track germanium goodness!
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Post by scumbum on Jan 23, 2017 23:26:06 GMT -6
i just saw that Pantera is selling their 1979 MCI JH16 2" on Reverb! But honestly, i'd wait for the ZULU 8- and 16-ch units! They need to add a Scully option! Me and Eddie Kramer would be all over that!!! Do you have a Scully that you could run some audio through for comparison? Totally down to make comparisons, approximations etc... Thanks -L. Is there a comparisons page of Zulu VS different tape machines ?
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jan 24, 2017 0:07:52 GMT -6
So another question.. You guys know anything about getting a tape machine crated up and shipped? Is there a service that does these things, or do I have to simply contact every shipping company to find out if they'll do it? My 11' long console was shipped by moveit.com. The seller crated it, so I'm not sure if they offer crating services. But it arrived in one piece and they were fine to work with. A friend of mine had a large console shipped cross country by a piano moving company.
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Post by jjinvegas on Jan 24, 2017 1:58:12 GMT -6
Shipping concerns are less troublesome than what you are shipping. If I was considering a machine, my first concern would be how robust the support industry (you can cross cottage industry off the list, we are talking rabbit hutch) is to keep it alive. How long has it been since Ampex manufactured their last multi-track? Scully, 3M? MCI? Otari and Studer made Hondas, reliable, always started, zero mojo. To my ears they were digital with tape hiss. Under the threat of gunplay I would find a gently abused JH 16 with some kind of head report. I would ingratiate myself with George Mara, and pray that the electro-mechanical side of the machine stayed viable for another five years. That would give you enough time for your patience to run its course, and nostalgia for pet rocks and other artifacts of a more innocent time to have passed....
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Post by illacov on Jan 24, 2017 8:20:21 GMT -6
Do you have a Scully that you could run some audio through for comparison? Totally down to make comparisons, approximations etc... Thanks -L. Is there a comparisons page of Zulu VS different tape machines ? Not currently. So far aside from this thread, all the other comparisons were done with material we dont have permission to share. Be glad to share the Ampex stuff with Wiz's permission. Thanks -L.
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Post by wiz on Jan 24, 2017 14:50:12 GMT -6
Is there a comparisons page of Zulu VS different tape machines ? Not currently. So far aside from this thread, all the other comparisons were done with material we dont have permission to share. Be glad to share the Ampex stuff with Wiz's permission. Thanks -L. PM sent cheers Wiz
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Post by scumbum on Jan 25, 2017 0:52:49 GMT -6
Is there a comparisons page of Zulu VS different tape machines ? Not currently. So far aside from this thread, all the other comparisons were done with material we dont have permission to share. Be glad to share the Ampex stuff with Wiz's permission. Thanks -L. It would be nice to have some comparisons . Like send an all digital ITB mix to the guys at Welcome To 1979...have them send the ITB mix to tape and back from many different tape machines and then run the ITB mix through Zulu as well . Then offer those bounces for download . That would be cool ! Sounds like you might have something similar to that with one of Wiz's songs ?
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Post by Guitar on Feb 21, 2017 15:07:52 GMT -6
This thread is outrageous! Some nice tidbits, I must say.
My only experience with working on tape is the cassette kind. But there is still a marked difference compared to the digital recording process.
I apply this same process when tracking to a DAW seriously. You just have to get the right take, sometimes even with several players at once in a room. The pressure comes from the person pressing the red button, instead of the hardware's limitations.
I don't think it's some lost form of voodoo, just a meticulous focus and attention to vibe and detail. Working on tape can teach you this real fast though. Getting that take on tape you feel like there's a gun at your head.
I do also like the sound, which is why I use UAD and u-He tape sims, even though I'm sure they are only in the ballpark as it were, maybe not the home run of the real reel. It's close enough for me to sleep at night.
On Svart's point, I think Noah is right, it's really more about the identity of the engineer and what he wants to get. Not sure if this translates to more work or not, in any direct way. Unless obviously it produces better work.
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Post by gouge on Feb 21, 2017 16:02:42 GMT -6
Did the comparisons get done to the ampex prints Noah did.
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Post by wiz on Feb 21, 2017 16:44:11 GMT -6
Did the comparisons get done to the ampex prints Noah did. I think Langston did them, but I havent seen them posted.... I imagine he is pretty busy...8) would be good to hear... cheers Wiz
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Post by Guitar on Feb 21, 2017 16:46:45 GMT -6
Did the comparisons get done to the ampex prints Noah did. I couldn't get to any of Noah's links either, the first one expired.
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Post by svart on Mar 2, 2017 16:19:55 GMT -6
Ok, well, I'm going to be the owner of a Tascam ATR-80 soon. Just need to pick it up and get things set up in the studio to actually use it. Designing a relay board to switch between the tape machine and the Alphalink.
It's not the most sought-after, so it was a bit cheaper than alternatives, but they sound pretty good, have good transports, and are relatively reliable by tape machine standards.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 2, 2017 18:23:24 GMT -6
Smart move, that's really cool.
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Post by noah shain on Mar 3, 2017 11:20:27 GMT -6
Hey all I been working like a dog the last few weeks but... I did print some mixes digital and tape. If there's interest I can put up a link. Let me know.
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