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Post by ragan on Jan 2, 2017 0:57:33 GMT -6
Why did the hipster burn his mouth on the pizza?
He ate it before it was cool.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 11:20:26 GMT -6
OMG... how did another thread devolve into a discussion about the Lumbersexual Hipster of the microphone world? I'm with Randge how do you drown a hipster...... you throw him in the main stream. What did the water ever do to you? Anyway, back on topic.. I've not just used the Mojave 201-Fet on vocals, they sound pretty sweet on guitar cabs and they are great for a more natural acoustic sound. No mic is for everyone and yes I am searching for a new LDC vocal mic, because I think for my specific vocal chain and voice there's something that can sit a little prettier. Not all mic's have to be awesome on vocals, there's many uses for them. I'll not be selling it.! Also if you can't get a great sounding take out of an LDC under $2K, I'd be questioning the performer well before I'd question the selection of mic's.
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Post by schmalzy on Jan 2, 2017 11:38:37 GMT -6
Until somebody becomes super famous comes along using an AKG perception on their first demo, which then forces engineers to use it because singers all of a sudden want to use it. Ten years later the AKG has become the new hipster recommended for every application from bass drums to recording chickens clucking. "I've had vintage Neumann's, the AKG Perception blows it out the water". Clucker5 "You'z cant beatz an AKG Perc, even soundz epic on chickenz.!!" Joking aside, it is a good entry level mic.. So if AKG reads this, it was just the first mic that came to mind.. I have two of the Perception 400s and I'm constantly amazed by its usability. It doesn't sound AMAZING and I've got to work it a little to get it in the right spot - there's also a thing going on in the upper mids that's sometimes problematic - but it's useable much of the time. I really dig them on drum overheads as a spaced pair. The best piano tone I've gotten was an old rickety piano in a crazy shop with a spaced pair of perception 400s in omni 18" off the floor 24" back from the foot pedals about 8' apart. Also, a long while back I mic'd an electric bass guitar at the bridge with the Perception 400. It beat out the DI tone easily and made up most of the bass tone in the mix. All that said, I use my AT 4040 a lot more and I'd love to get a Mojave M200 or two.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 17:51:52 GMT -6
Here's a vocal test I did ages ago with the Mojave Fet. Reason I posted this is I've tried the Mojave again recently, but I've not taken care of it in any shape or form and the capsule looks like it could do with a repair or replacement. DISCLAIMER: This in no way constitutes a proper mix, I was just sharing idea's with a guitarist.
ChaseUTB
I did get around to checking out the 3U Audio GZ67FET and Warbler 1, then are beautiful sounding mic's. So I just bought both of them, you guys are really going to make me bankrupt at some point.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/mixalliance/test-vocal-track
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 3, 2017 1:35:54 GMT -6
Here's a vocal test I did ages ago with the Mojave Fet. Reason I posted this is I've tried the Mojave again recently, but I've not taken care of it in any shape or form and the capsule looks like it could do with a repair or replacement. DISCLAIMER: This in no way constitutes a proper mix, I was just sharing idea's with a guitarist.
ChaseUTB
I did get around to checking out the 3U Audio GZ67FET and Warbler 1, then are beautiful sounding mic's. So I just bought both of them, you guys are really going to make me bankrupt at some point.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/mixalliance/test-vocal-track
I know ragan loves his 3u Audio as well as many many others! We had a mic legend here known as kidvybes and he discovered this brand 3u.. its my duty to recommend them as an honor to him sharing the source. I feel confident as well because kidvybes knew his mic components, and the 3u is definitely a great product at a great price point! Enjoy 😬🤠
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 3, 2017 7:14:12 GMT -6
I think they are pretty impossible to get in the states now, but the violet design mics are pretty incredible. You can find them on eBay/reverb and they fall around the price range of the mojaves. I recommend the amethyst vintage, the globe, or on the higher end and my personal favorite ldc the garnet.
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Post by rocinante on Jan 3, 2017 9:37:50 GMT -6
I think they are pretty impossible to get in the states now, but the violet design mics are pretty incredible. You can find them on eBay/reverb and they fall around the price range of the mojaves. I recommend the amethyst vintage, the globe, or on the higher end and my personal favorite ldc the garnet. I read someone elses description of them and they too had praise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 10:09:34 GMT -6
I think they are pretty impossible to get in the states now, but the violet design mics are pretty incredible. You can find them on eBay/reverb and they fall around the price range of the mojaves. I recommend the amethyst vintage, the globe, or on the higher end and my personal favorite ldc the garnet. He just sells them over e-bay right? How come they are difficult to get?
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Post by dandeurloo on Jan 3, 2017 10:13:45 GMT -6
I have zero problems recording vocals with an MA-200 or MA-300. An SM-7, I can't get it to sound good to save my life. I recently just started using one regularly. I have to say I like it. In the past I only used them for scratch vocals and for drum crush mic. I was engineering a session yesterday for a Producer buddy who has had some major success over the years. He loves the SM7. I think most of his hits had the sm7 on vocals. The session we are doing is a 4 piece band cut mostly live in a smallish room. The singer has a killer pop voice. Since everything is live I need mics with decent rejection. So, I put the SM7 on him. I used a Great River Pre, Great River eq with a little top end added into a LA 2A. It really sounds great. It took about 3 mins to dial in the tone. His voice rules and nothing in the chain is screwing anything else up! The SM7 is always a more focused sound (polar pattern, bandwith and front to back reach). So for some of the more produced sounding tracks or certain ballad tracks I don't love how the sound doesn't expand like a nice LDC. But if you need it to fit in a dense rock track, or for a intimate track it can be really awesome. I am kinda of surprised to say this, but at this point if I could only have 1 mic for vocals... it would be a SM7. I should note, mine is the SM7. Not the SM7 a or b. I have no idea if that makes a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 10:18:43 GMT -6
I have zero problems recording vocals with an MA-200 or MA-300. An SM-7, I can't get it to sound good to save my life. I recently just started using one regularly. I have to say I like it. In the past I only used them for scratch vocals and for drum crush mic. I was engineering a session yesterday for a Producer buddy who has had some major success over the years. He loves the SM7. I think most of his hits had the sm7 on vocals. The session we are doing is a 4 piece band cut mostly live in a smallish room. The singer has a killer pop voice. Since everything is live I need mics with decent rejection. So, I put the SM7 on him. I used a Great River Pre, Great River eq with a little top end added into a LA 2A. It really sounds great. It took about 3 mins to dial in the tone. His voice rules and nothing in the chain is screwing anything else up! The SM7 is always a more focused sound (polar pattern, bandwith and front to back reach). So for some of the more produced sounding tracks or certain ballad tracks I don't love how the sound doesn't expand like a nice LDC. But if you need it to fit in a dense rock track, or for a intimate track it can be really awesome. I am kinda of surprised to say this, but at this point if I could only have 1 mic for vocals... it would be a SM7. I should note, mine is the SM7. Not the SM7 a or b. I have no idea if that makes a difference. Well have a quick listen to the clip I posted, yes it's just a scratch recording for sharing idea's.. But I still think the Mojave sit's well in a highly dense melodic death metal song (which is relatively heavy) whilst still retaining that LDC sheen and / or clarity.. I'm a belter as well, when singing both clean and shouting so it's quite the mic to be able to take it without getting ear piercing at the top end. It's a great all round mic IMO, there is better that can do either one.. Like for shouting I'll use either an SM58 or 7B, but for the cleans I'd use an LDC.. The Mojave stops you from having to swap out the mic.. There is slightly better for both applications sure, but again as an all rounder can't fault it.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 3, 2017 10:24:04 GMT -6
When I was mainly cutting rock bands, the SM7 was the most reliable vocal mic to put up, it worked on 95% of singers. A handful of people make it sound broken, like their personal comb filter overlays wrongly with the SM7 response; that I've never encountered in another mic so starkly. I probably agree with Dan here, if they were taking all other options away, it'd probably be the one to keep. Plenty sound better, but don't work as reliably in so many situations.
Having said all that....mine hasn't been used in a few years! : ) More and more projects with a band and singer in the same room have gotten more quiet in performance level, such that a live vocal might be kept, and I've moved to using an omni very close, so the bleed is as clean as possible and can be the room sound as well without off axis nasties.
Have not been in the same room with any Mojave products.....
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Post by ericn on Jan 3, 2017 10:41:47 GMT -6
I'll take the SM7 detour, I think in most instances where an SM7 works, another large dynamic will work just as well, RE20, M88, MD421, MD441 etc. For many the compression the heavy diaphragm brings is a god send, the SM7 is just the hipster fad Large dynamic. Many who were raised on 57s and 58s might find the family resemblance comforting and hey it's the mic used on Thriller. One funny thing about the SM7, while a radio talent standard, you hardly ever see it as a guest mic! It's almost in Generic made in China LDC FET range, and it can work, plus it's got those switches, easy sell, if the guys got a beard and a man bun well I hear the new box is flannel print.
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Post by M57 on Jan 3, 2017 10:50:14 GMT -6
One funny thing about the SM7, while a radio talent standard, you hardly ever see it as a guest mic! It's almost in Generic made in China LDC FET range.. IDK, it makes sense to me. The assumption is that the guest doesn't know how to 'work' the mic - and might not even be able to sit still.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 3, 2017 10:55:33 GMT -6
Here's a vocal test I did ages ago with the Mojave Fet. Reason I posted this is I've tried the Mojave again recently, but I've not taken care of it in any shape or form and the capsule looks like it could do with a repair or replacement. DISCLAIMER: This in no way constitutes a proper mix, I was just sharing idea's with a guitarist.
ChaseUTB
I did get around to checking out the 3U Audio GZ67FET and Warbler 1, then are beautiful sounding mic's. So I just bought both of them, you guys are really going to make me bankrupt at some point.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/mixalliance/test-vocal-track
Sounds good to me. Cool stuff.
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 3, 2017 11:12:45 GMT -6
I think they are pretty impossible to get in the states now, but the violet design mics are pretty incredible. You can find them on eBay/reverb and they fall around the price range of the mojaves. I recommend the amethyst vintage, the globe, or on the higher end and my personal favorite ldc the garnet. He just sells them over e-bay right? How come they are difficult to get? They don't have a US distributor anymore. I was lucky and got mine on reverb from the last stock. They still pop up every once in a while. There's a pair of garnet tubes on eBay for 3500 right now. If I had the dough I would absolutely scoop them up!
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Post by Randge on Jan 8, 2017 15:13:33 GMT -6
I have several Violet mics. Love them. Especially their flagship, Flamingo.
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Post by drbill on Jan 8, 2017 15:34:32 GMT -6
When I heard the Violet mics when they first hit the US, I was quite unimpressed. In fact, I actually disliked them. I'm not sure if they have changed up or not since then. I never listened to one again after the first go-around.
For Mr. Deurloo to say the SM7 is his first choice for having only ONE mic.....well.......that's a HUGE recommendation IMO. Dan is an exemplary engineer and is spot on in his analysis of mics - and has many classics, has close friends and associates with KILLER mic collections whose mics he can compare to and use, and has built so many great mics (including a 47 for me) over the years. He's a true mic connoisseur. And, I kinda have to concur with him on the SM7. I bought the OTHER SM7 (not a/b) from the same seller when he got his. (Along with some KILLER KM53's that we share). I've been quite surprised at how well the SM7 holds up. Not sure I would call it my "one mic" if I could have only one though.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 15:59:34 GMT -6
When I heard the Violet mics when they first hit the US, I was quite unimpressed. In fact, I actually disliked them. I'm not sure if they have changed up or not since then. I never listened to one again after the first go-around. For Mr. Deurloo to say the SM7 is his first choice for having only ONE mic.....well.......that's a HUGE recommendation IMO. Dan is an exemplary engineer and is spot on in his analysis of mics - and has many classics, has close friends and associates with KILLER mic collections whose mics he can compare to and use, and has built so many great mics (including a 47 for me) over the years. He's a true mic connoisseur. And, I kinda have to concur with him on the SM7. I bought the OTHER SM7 (not a/b) from the same seller when he got his. (Along with some KILLER KM53's that we share). I've been quite surprised at how well the SM7 holds up. Not sure I would call it my "one mic" if I could have only one though..... Someone's going to have to explain to me why? From a use case scenario they are handy (for specific singers like rock /metal singers and they work well for bedroom artists), from a pure sonic's perspective, I'll not dance around for once.. I would use ANY half decent mic in my locker before I'd touch an SM7B.. If I could only afford one half decent / low budget mic I'd of gone straight for an MD421 and the SM7B wouldn't get a look in.. Before I started buying mic's again, I asked as many people as I could which mic's they preferred and nobody picked the SM7B.. zip, nada.!
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Post by EmRR on Jan 8, 2017 16:10:30 GMT -6
Because out of more than 50 mics I own, the SM7 is the one I can reliably put up 19 times out of 20 and get a usable vocal sound on the low budget mystery client of the day. None of the others come anywhere close, no matter how much better they may be on a given source on a given day. I could spend the time going through a half dozen mics to pick a favorite, and take more of the clients money doing so, probably find one 'better', but maybe not much better, not "oh my god that made the session" better. The Samar or the Max U67 or the Gefell UMT70S or an EV666 or a Shure CB mic or an MD421 may be the winner on a certain person, but the SM7 can be used in place of all of them most times, which cannot be said the other way around.
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Post by drbill on Jan 8, 2017 16:14:37 GMT -6
When I heard the Violet mics when they first hit the US, I was quite unimpressed. In fact, I actually disliked them. I'm not sure if they have changed up or not since then. I never listened to one again after the first go-around. For Mr. Deurloo to say the SM7 is his first choice for having only ONE mic.....well.......that's a HUGE recommendation IMO. Dan is an exemplary engineer and is spot on in his analysis of mics - and has many classics, has close friends and associates with KILLER mic collections whose mics he can compare to and use, and has built so many great mics (including a 47 for me) over the years. He's a true mic connoisseur. And, I kinda have to concur with him on the SM7. I bought the OTHER SM7 (not a/b) from the same seller when he got his. (Along with some KILLER KM53's that we share). I've been quite surprised at how well the SM7 holds up. Not sure I would call it my "one mic" if I could have only one though..... Someone's going to have to explain to me why? From a use case scenario they are handy (for specific singers like rock /metal singers and they work well for bedroom artists), from a pure sonic's perspective, I'll not dance around for once.. I would use ANY half decent mic in my locker before I'd touch an SM7B.. If I could only afford one half decent / low budget mic I'd of gone straight for an MD421 and the SM7B wouldn't get a look in.. Before I started buying mic's again, I asked as many people as I could which mic's they preferred and nobody picked the SM7B.. zip, nada.! I think dan already did explain....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 16:31:30 GMT -6
Because out of more than 50 mics I own, the SM7 is the one I can reliably put up 19 times out of 20 and get a usable vocal sound on the low budget mystery client of the day. None of the others come anywhere close, no matter how much better they may be on a given source on a given day. I could spend the time going through a half dozen mics to pick a favorite, and take more of the clients money doing so, probably find one 'better', but maybe not much better, not "oh my god that made the session" better. The Samar or the Max U67 or the Gefell UMT70S or an EV666 or a Shure CB mic or an MD421 may be the winner on a certain person, but the SM7 can be used in place of all of them most times, which cannot be said the other way around. For some reason I skipped Dan's post, I'm going to say this and nothing else on the SM7B.. It is reliably mediocre, quite thin, flat, bit pitchy up top and that's why it works in dense mixes etc. of course this is opinion but again there are better go to microphones out there that also work reliably, on a lot of things most of the time like the Senny MD421.! I used it on guitar cabs, on vocals, on drums etc. etc. and the only use case I've found it not to work on is very specific singers. But the same applies to pretty much any microphone. I'm far from the only person to not use an SM7B as their go to's.. I don't get the hype for it, I never will and unless the singer / song requires that I use one.. I won't..
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Post by Ward on Jan 8, 2017 18:25:01 GMT -6
I don't get the hype for it, I never will and unless the singer / song requires that I use one.. I won't.. Well, people have been known to jump on bandwagons... and get paid to publicly endorse things. So nothing surprises me anymore. I remain steadfast in my extreme lukewarmness towards the SM7 and belief that it is only useful as a tracking mic for ghost vocals. There. Curmudgeonly enough?
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Post by drbill on Jan 8, 2017 18:48:19 GMT -6
Because out of more than 50 mics I own, the SM7 is the one I can reliably put up 19 times out of 20 and get a usable vocal sound on the low budget mystery client of the day. None of the others come anywhere close, no matter how much better they may be on a given source on a given day. I could spend the time going through a half dozen mics to pick a favorite, and take more of the clients money doing so, probably find one 'better', but maybe not much better, not "oh my god that made the session" better. The Samar or the Max U67 or the Gefell UMT70S or an EV666 or a Shure CB mic or an MD421 may be the winner on a certain person, but the SM7 can be used in place of all of them most times, which cannot be said the other way around. For some reason I skipped Dan's post, I'm going to say this and nothing else on the SM7B.. It is reliably mediocre, quite thin, flat, bit pitchy up top and that's why it works in dense mixes etc. of course this is opinion but again there are better go to microphones out there that also work reliably, on a lot of things most of the time like the Senny MD421.! I used it on guitar cabs, on vocals, on drums etc. etc. and the only use case I've found it not to work on is very specific singers. But the same applies to pretty much any microphone. I'm far from the only person to not use an SM7B as their go to's.. I don't get the hype for it, I never will and unless the singer / song requires that I use one.. I won't.. Have you used a SM7 not an or b model? What mic amps were you using it with? I never understood the undying love, but I understand it better now than I got one (along with Dan). I cannot find it mediocre, quite thin, flat or pitchy up top. Sorry. That said, I rarely choose it for a vocal, as I have a huge compliment of mics, but when I got the SM7, I understood what the rave was all about. Using Silver Bullet, vp28 or AML1073 mic pre's. Used it on a live Christmas record for the lead vocalist, and it absoLUTELY holds it's own. Using ANY condenser under those circumstances would have been recipe for disaster.
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Post by ericn on Jan 8, 2017 18:49:05 GMT -6
I don't get the hype for it, I never will and unless the singer / song requires that I use one.. I won't.. Well, people have been known to jump on bandwagons... and get paid to publicly endorse things. So nothing surprises me anymore. I remain steadfast in my extreme lukewarmness towards the SM7 and belief that it is only useful as a tracking mic for ghost vocals. There. Curmudgeonly enough? The SM7 is the one mic that I don't think there is anybody paid to endorse & I know the folks at Shure don't do the paid shill thing, not their style.
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