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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 22, 2016 19:56:14 GMT -6
Great, good luck shadow, bummer about the hum..
I'm having some glitches with some things too, so I feel that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 21:49:32 GMT -6
Well, I've done 8 hours worth of work with Samplitude and it's been rock solid (just goes to show, gotta try it yourself). I've been testing various plugins out, think I might sell my UAD sattelite (duo) which has stuff like AMPEX ATR, Cooper Time Cube and all the legacy LA2A / 1176 comps. Not sure what the going rate is, but thinking about 400 euro's?
As a side note, does anyone know someone in Europe that sells pre-built CAPI stuff?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 12:17:53 GMT -6
Well, first day after the hols I could go find some pro-audio gear. Or I thought so anyway, walked in with a big wad o' cash and came out with nothing.. None of the shops I went in sold the JBL 305's, but I got told that they're not on the same level as say Adam A7X's or Genelec 8030's. Which I'm sure some of you guru's can confirm that?
If that's the case they are no use for me as main's (fine for an A/B pair though), I find Adam's to have a solid mid range but ultimately sound too boxy and I've had Genelec's before. They are great for metal mixing, but there is better out there.. Issue is, there's nowhere to really test any of these monitors even some of the budget one's. That's probably why Thomman in Europe has become so popular as you can send pretty much anything back within 30 days no questions. But it doesn't do much for the local pro-audio scene..!
I've booked in to test out some "higher end" monitors, like Focal Solo's and SE Munro Eggs. My past experience with Focal hasn't been great, I had some CMS 65's and they were probably one of the worst monitor sets I've had so far. Hopefully the Solo's can 180 my opinion of them..!
Tannoy Reveal's seem like something to look out for, also I've never heard the Yamaha HS8's which seem to get stellar reviews. I've seriously increased my budget so anything between $500 to $2,500 is now on the cards.
This is going to end up driving me nuts, so any opinions / advice is welcome.
Ok for the rest of it, I wanted to try out the WA2A which nobody had. Although there seemed to be plenty of higher end DBX stuff in for reasons I'm unsure of, also was interested in the UA LA610 MK2 channel strip. Apparently a lot of UA equipment got pulled because they failed ROHS compliance, which means restriction of hazardous materials compliance. I'm not sure if this is true, but I wondered why they had dissapeared and they've stopped selling Daking in Europe??!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 27, 2016 13:09:15 GMT -6
Well, first day after the hols I could go find some pro-audio gear. Or I thought so anyway, walked in with a big wad o' cash and came out with nothing.. None of the shops I went in sold the JBL 305's, but I got told that they're not on the same level as say Adam A7X's or Genelec 8030's. Which I'm sure some of you guru's can confirm that? If that's the case they are no use for me as main's, I find Adam's to have a solid mid range but ultimately sound too boxy and I've had Genelec's before. They are great for metal mixing, but there is better out there.. Issue is, there's nowhere to really test any of these monitors even some of the budget one's. That's probably why Thomman in Europe has become so popular as you can send pretty much anything back within 30 days no questions. But it doesn't do much for the local pro-audio scene..! I've booked in to test out some "higher end" monitors, like Focal Solo's and SE Munro Eggs. My past experience with Focal hasn't been great, I had some CMS 65's and they were probably one of the worst monitor sets I've had so far. Hopefully the Solo's can 180 my opinion of them..! Tannoy Reveal's seem like something to look out for, also I've never heard the Yamaha HS8's which seem to get stellar reviews. I've seriously increased my budget so anything between $500 to $2,500 is now on the cards. This is going to end up driving me nuts, so any opinions / advice is welcome. Ok for the rest of it, I wanted to try out the WA2A which nobody had. Although there seemed to be plenty of higher end DBX stuff in for reasons I'm unsure of, also was interested in the UA LA610 MK2 channel strip. Apparently a lot of UA equipment got pulled because they failed ROHS compliance, which means restriction of hazardous materials compliance. I'm not sure if this is true, but I wondered why they had dissapeared and they've stopped selling Daking in Europe??! I'm not having much luck. I had eggs and sold them a month later. I need more midrange than they offered.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 13:43:59 GMT -6
Well, first day after the hols I could go find some pro-audio gear. Or I thought so anyway, walked in with a big wad o' cash and came out with nothing.. None of the shops I went in sold the JBL 305's, but I got told that they're not on the same level as say Adam A7X's or Genelec 8030's. Which I'm sure some of you guru's can confirm that? If that's the case they are no use for me as main's, I find Adam's to have a solid mid range but ultimately sound too boxy and I've had Genelec's before. They are great for metal mixing, but there is better out there.. Issue is, there's nowhere to really test any of these monitors even some of the budget one's. That's probably why Thomman in Europe has become so popular as you can send pretty much anything back within 30 days no questions. But it doesn't do much for the local pro-audio scene..! I've booked in to test out some "higher end" monitors, like Focal Solo's and SE Munro Eggs. My past experience with Focal hasn't been great, I had some CMS 65's and they were probably one of the worst monitor sets I've had so far. Hopefully the Solo's can 180 my opinion of them..! Tannoy Reveal's seem like something to look out for, also I've never heard the Yamaha HS8's which seem to get stellar reviews. I've seriously increased my budget so anything between $500 to $2,500 is now on the cards. This is going to end up driving me nuts, so any opinions / advice is welcome. Ok for the rest of it, I wanted to try out the WA2A which nobody had. Although there seemed to be plenty of higher end DBX stuff in for reasons I'm unsure of, also was interested in the UA LA610 MK2 channel strip. Apparently a lot of UA equipment got pulled because they failed ROHS compliance, which means restriction of hazardous materials compliance. I'm not sure if this is true, but I wondered why they had dissapeared and they've stopped selling Daking in Europe??! I'm not having much luck. I had eggs and sold them a month later. I need more midrange than they offered. Really appreciate it and good to know, need decent midrange for guitars.! Edit, I must of overlooked these but I found a pair of Coax Monitors which won Music Radar's best new monitors of 2016 and got some high praise from other sites. It's the Fluid Audio FPX7, ribbon / coax setup could be rather interesting, translation is supposed to be accurate and frequency response relatively stable.. I bet there will be NO WHERE to test these out, but I might try a 30 day return.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 27, 2016 15:18:42 GMT -6
Of course they told you to spend more. Especially since they had none in stock. Classic "upsell" and a pretty obvious one at that.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 27, 2016 15:26:20 GMT -6
IS there some reason you are not considering amphion monitors ? What price range are you in ? I would demo a wa2a before concluding it is inferior to dbx, I would have thought completely the opposite
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Post by Guitar on Dec 27, 2016 15:29:16 GMT -6
The salesman is the exact wrong person to look to for advice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 16:32:11 GMT -6
IS there some reason you are not considering amphion monitors ? What price range are you in ? I would demo a wa2a before concluding it is inferior to dbx, I would have thought completely the opposite I had to re-read, I don't believe I ever said that. ! I'll quote myself: "Although there seemed to be plenty of higher end DBX stuff in for reasons I'm unsure of". As in higher end in the line of DBX products, so I've not a clue why they didn't have Warm Audio stuff (especially as it's plastered all over their web site). Sorry if it wasn't explained well. For the price of the Amphions, I would have to get demo units to bring home and test. No major outlet in Europe stocks them and I need the option to send them back if they don't work out. Guitar You're probably right, but there should be a marked quality improvement between a $1500 - $2000 set of monitors over a $300.00 set. I get it's law of diminishing returns and I also get expensive doesn't necessarily equate to good. But still, I've got a got a pair of Event Opals in storage.. Too much to use in my small little room, but I can tell you know every sub $1000.00 monitor I've tried doesn't come anywhere near. Most of them sound "closed in" as in slightly boxy and have poor seperation, it's like a mush of information coming at you. I've heard better detail from some higher end Sony speakers or mixing headphones (in a lot of cases you might be better off with them), yes I know neutrality across the FR spectrum is key but it doesn't mean it should sound odd (like I tried out some Behringer monitors on a whim, sounded great but they will NOT translate well .. The first set of monitors I used that didn't work that way was the Equator D5's, it had great seperation and neutrality. Two issues with them, I've gone through two sets of them in two years (due to issues) also it needs to extend lower in the FR representation.. So I guess what I'm really looking for is a well built Equator D5 on weightgain 4000 (beefcake).
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 27, 2016 16:43:53 GMT -6
No probs maybe I misunderstood.
Amphions are from Scandinavian kind of surprised they are not available ? They used to have a 30 day in home demo available. What country are you in ?
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Post by Guitar on Dec 27, 2016 16:44:25 GMT -6
I see what you mean. Keep in mind that the very most classic NS10M is still less than $400 ish and that sets a more realistic price point in my mind of what is actually necessary to make great sounds.
My world is one of very tight budgets so of course that's where I spend most of my attention. At any price point, there are better or worse options, and I think the JBL speakers are near the top of the heap for the lower range. Like I said I have almost zero experience to talk of with fancy speakers, so I won't even attempt to speak on them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 17:01:12 GMT -6
I see what you mean. Keep in mind that the very most classic NS10M is still less than $400 ish and that sets a more realistic price point in my mind of what is actually necessary to make great sounds. My world is one of very tight budgets so of course that's where I spend most of my attention. At any price point, there are better or worse options, and I think the JBL speakers are near the top of the heap for the lower range. Like I said I have almost zero experience to talk of with fancy speakers, so I won't even attempt to speak on them. It's cool, if you can spend less then why not? It's mainly because of doing metal, I find distorted guitars and heavy low end material difficult to get right especially with double kicks and 8 string guitars etc. So it needs to be accurate at the low end and highly detailed in the mids. That's why many engineers just go upper end Genelec and they do work well for metal, if all else fails that'll be what I'll get but they are a little difficult to get along with. So it's worth spending a bit of time to weigh up all my options. Whether expensive / cheap is irrelevant, I said $500.00 to $2.5K is fine.. They just need to work and be slightly pleasent to live with .
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Post by Guitar on Dec 27, 2016 17:13:04 GMT -6
I just sold some KRK V6 II speakers that were not pleasant to live with, but worked. In the past I sold some Yamaha HS8 or something that I could not live with, immediately they were wrong to my ears. The LSR305 is the most livable speaker I have found in this price range to date.
I think that's an important criteria that you have set, not only to get good mixes but also to have a good enough sound that you want to listen to them at any given time. To me that describes the perfect monitor speaker. Good luck with your search!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 19:45:33 GMT -6
I just sold some KRK V6 II speakers that were not pleasant to live with, but worked. In the past I sold some Yamaha HS8 or something that I could not live with, immediately they were wrong to my ears. The LSR305 is the most livable speaker I have found in this price range to date. I think that's an important criteria that you have set, not only to get good mixes but also to have a good enough sound that you want to listen to them at any given time. To me that describes the perfect monitor speaker. Good luck with your search! I ended up buying some Fluid Audio FX8's, multiple reasons.. I've decided to go with an A/B setup, these won't be my mains I've requested some Amphions etc. for testing. They are coax and have good reviews on the whole, some saying they are better than the JBL's (better mid range clarity and low end / wider image) but y'know that could mean nothing. It's front ported which is better for my room, if they are even 75% as good as the equators it will be a good testing platform for other expensive monitors.. Can't beat these? Out the door. They cost $350.00, so even if they suck / are useless it doesn't matter I'll just bin 'em.. 35hz to 22KHZ frequency range. Finally, they can't be any worse than the Behringers I had as a last stop gap before the Opals. It might take months to get my mains sorted, so as long as they turn on and play sound anything from there is a plus .. I'll report back on how horrible they may / may not be.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 28, 2016 1:02:49 GMT -6
See if you can find a pair of jbl 4328 they were on huge blowout sale recently. I fair better mixing with the Yamaha hs8 vs the focal solo but that's me! I have heard and used jbl 308 and they are cheaply made and inferior sounding to the new hs8, the hs80 older model wasn't great but the newer ones are revealing and show flaws. If will tell you it doesn't sound good, of course monitors are highly personal so I like what you may not!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 28, 2016 9:27:59 GMT -6
shadowamd, I tried every monitor on the market when I was looking, including almost every model you mentioned. The Amphions are in a different class though, but not my cup of tea. When I was at a music store here with cash in hand to buy the $1,100 Focals that had just come out, I happened upon the Avantone Abbey. Had a listen, and my search was over. None of the speakers I'd hear were anywhere near it in quality. I heard the mix, not the speakers.
It's been a year and a half and I've never even thought about changing monitors. The only other thing I'd consider might be an $8,000 ATC, or maybe Barefoots, if I had that kind of cash, but the Abbey would probably compete with the Barefoots, and certainly hold their own.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 9:46:48 GMT -6
ChaseUTB Thanks for that, some great info and I'll check out the JBL's.! @martin John Butler Sweet, again some more awesome information. Seems they have the frequency response I'm looking for and in a 6.5" driver that's impressive, also I do prefer active monitors (less faffiing) athough they are a fair chunk o' money .. Seriously wish I lived in the US some times, I checked sweetwater the cost of the Avantone's is $2000.00. At that price if they were good I wouldn't bat an eye lid, y'know how much they cost over here?? Bordering on $3K.!!! That's just silly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 13:05:03 GMT -6
Got some good news for once.. YAAAYY!
I managed to pick up a brand new WA2A for $975.00 (they are usually $1220.00) and Magix gave me a $90.00 rebate on Samplitude for no apparent reason, but of course I'm not going to complain. The company who sold me the Daking Pre's are taking it back and said they'd give me a refund if they can't fix it.
Finally, on the monitor search. The place I've been trying them out is loaning me a couple of pairs (A7X's, JBL 4238's) for a couple of days. If for some reason I really can't get on with them, I'll see how I get on with my cheap pair and keep searching over the next couple of months to find a decent price / performance ratio.! (or save up and buy something ridiculous)..
Thing is I'm moving house in the next 3 - 6 months and the space will be completey different (hopefully bigger). So, I'm not in a rush..
I DO really appreciate everyone's input, trying to find decent pro audio gear around here is a nightmare and grates on you. So again! Awesome community, thanks a lot.!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 28, 2016 17:46:25 GMT -6
Got some good news for once.. YAAAYY! I managed to pick up a brand new WA2A for $975.00 (they are usually $1220.00) and Magix gave me a $90.00 rebate on Samplitude for no apparent reason, but of course I'm not going to complain. The company who sold me the Daking Pre's are taking it back and said they'd give me a refund if they can't fix it. Finally, on the monitor search. The place I've been trying them out is loaning me a couple of pairs (A7X's, JBL 4238's) for a couple of days. If for some reason I really can't get on with them, I'll see how I get on with my cheap pair and keep searching over the next couple of months to find a decent price / performance ratio.! (or save up and buy something ridiculous).. Thing is I'm moving house in the next 3 - 6 months and the space will be completey different (hopefully bigger). So, I'm not in a rush.. I DO really appreciate everyone's input, trying to find decent pro audio gear around here is a nightmare and grates on you. So again! Awesome community, thanks a lot.! The jbl have awesome room correction and the better mic you use the better it can work. They are in the $1500-$2000 range and the room I used them in was not a traditional mix space and this was when I first started, translation was spot on, I was amazed. There is a thread here on RGO I will link you will like to read regarding the jbl monitors. Wow searching for this was a nightmare on this site realgearonline.com/thread/3663/hour-flash-sale-lsr4328-pair
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 19:11:30 GMT -6
Got some good news for once.. YAAAYY! I managed to pick up a brand new WA2A for $975.00 (they are usually $1220.00) and Magix gave me a $90.00 rebate on Samplitude for no apparent reason, but of course I'm not going to complain. The company who sold me the Daking Pre's are taking it back and said they'd give me a refund if they can't fix it. Finally, on the monitor search. The place I've been trying them out is loaning me a couple of pairs (A7X's, JBL 4238's) for a couple of days. If for some reason I really can't get on with them, I'll see how I get on with my cheap pair and keep searching over the next couple of months to find a decent price / performance ratio.! (or save up and buy something ridiculous).. Thing is I'm moving house in the next 3 - 6 months and the space will be completey different (hopefully bigger). So, I'm not in a rush.. I DO really appreciate everyone's input, trying to find decent pro audio gear around here is a nightmare and grates on you. So again! Awesome community, thanks a lot.! The jbl have awesome room correction and the better mic you use the better it can work. They are in the $1500-$2000 range and the room I used them in was not a traditional mix space and this was when I first started, translation was spot on, I was amazed. There is a thread here on RGO I will link you will like to read regarding the jbl monitors. Wow searching for this was a nightmare on this site realgearonline.com/thread/3663/hour-flash-sale-lsr4328-pairIf I said I could get a brand new pair for $700.00, would you snap their hands off?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 29, 2016 13:15:39 GMT -6
The jbl have awesome room correction and the better mic you use the better it can work. They are in the $1500-$2000 range and the room I used them in was not a traditional mix space and this was when I first started, translation was spot on, I was amazed. There is a thread here on RGO I will link you will like to read regarding the jbl monitors. Wow searching for this was a nightmare on this site realgearonline.com/thread/3663/hour-flash-sale-lsr4328-pairIf I said I could get a brand new pair for $700.00, would you snap their hands off? Grab them asap, they absolutely will provide better and easier time mixing than the Adam alternative! We used earthworks mica to cainrate and use the room control features! Go for it u won't regret them, if you just don't get along with them or decide you don't like them, resale them for no loss of even a gain! Pretty sure there aren't any more " melting issues " sticky surface issues on the exterior casing of the speaker. The pair I used didn't have any issues at all component or exterior and most after a certain year ( I forget 2014? ) it was corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 14:06:06 GMT -6
If I said I could get a brand new pair for $700.00, would you snap their hands off? Grab them asap, they absolutely will provide better and easier time mixing than the Adam alternative! We used earthworks mica to cainrate and use the room control features! Go for it u won't regret them, if you just don't get along with them or decide you don't like them, resale them for no loss of even a gain! Pretty sure there aren't any more " melting issues " sticky surface issues on the exterior casing of the speaker. The pair I used didn't have any issues at all component or exterior and most after a certain year ( I forget 2014? ) it was corrected. Well I shall definatley buy, if it doesn't work I'll fly over to where you are. Make you mix my tracks on a digi 002R with Behringer monitors, whilst I sing nothing but Britney Spears greatest hits in the highest octave I can muster. Or I'll return them under the 30 day policy, whatever works .. As I don't need to sugar coat things for you ladies and gents, as you've all been doing this a while I got the Fluid FX8's today and I'm going to do a very quick review. Bit noisy when there's nothing coming through them, still probably the best monitors I've heard under the $1K to $1.5K mark.! Tried Focals, Adams etc. etc. and nah...!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 29, 2016 14:58:33 GMT -6
I think the you will really like the jbl and the bigger the room the bigger the sweetspot, plus they have great sounding bass, not fluffy or flabby. Plus not front firing port blabbing in your mix sweetspot...😬
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Post by rocinante on Dec 30, 2016 10:13:05 GMT -6
I spent two months looking for new monitors. Guess what, the lsr 308s is what i picked. Over the Adam's and hd824s and 3 others but those were my top three. YMMV but in my trials i found them the most transparent. Im waiting for them to arrive any day now. I felt something missing in the hd824 that the 308s had and something bright in the a7x's. I tried them in store and in my treated studio. I wanted sooooo bad for the 824s to be the ones and if it was close it was with them. I am coming from Genelec 1030s and yamaha msp5s.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 22:25:14 GMT -6
I spent two months looking for new monitors. Guess what, the lsr 308s is what i picked. Over the Adam's and hd824s and 3 others but those were my top three. YMMV but in my trials i found them the most transparent. Im waiting for them to arrive any day now. I felt something missing in the hd824 that the 308s had and something bright in the a7x's. I tried them in store and in my treated studio. I wanted sooooo bad for the 824s to be the ones and if it was close it was with them. I am coming from Genelec 1030s and yamaha msp5s. Well you got the JBL bit right, ended up buying the 4328P's.. Good suggestions from everyone. Now comes the hard part, I've not sung or picked up an instrument in two years.. I can't remember half the mixing stuff I did, I am once again a N00B. Sure I'll pick it up quickly again. First thing is plenty of practice / trial and error me thinks.! Again, thanks everyone.!
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