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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 30, 2016 11:42:38 GMT -6
I haven't been able to access the files, are these D/L only ? Yes.
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Post by sozocaps on Oct 31, 2016 13:19:48 GMT -6
post the answers please ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 31, 2016 14:37:57 GMT -6
post the answers please ? PM'd. Don't let the cat out of the bag though...
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Post by ragan on Oct 31, 2016 15:00:38 GMT -6
post the answers please ? PM'd. Don't let the cat out of the bag though... Ooh, I'd sign up for a PM too I'm a vault. Just curious.
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Post by sozocaps on Oct 31, 2016 15:01:55 GMT -6
WOW not happy with the answers ! LOL
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Post by sozocaps on Oct 31, 2016 16:31:12 GMT -6
What converters were used ?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 31, 2016 17:24:04 GMT -6
you left out the Serpent SB4000 and SB4001 from this shootout.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 31, 2016 17:35:58 GMT -6
What converters were used ? Svartbox.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 31, 2016 17:36:17 GMT -6
you left out the Serpent SB4000 and SB4001 from this shootout. Send me one and I'll include it.
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Post by sozocaps on Oct 31, 2016 17:46:15 GMT -6
Can you post the non processed file ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 31, 2016 17:48:34 GMT -6
Can you post the non processed file ? It's in my other shootout thread...
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 31, 2016 19:48:14 GMT -6
you left out the Serpent SB4000 and SB4001 from this shootout. Send me one and I'll include it. i have 2 and a symphony. send me the files and i'll run it through 'em with the settings you used on your tests.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 1, 2016 9:52:57 GMT -6
Please don't reveal answers yet.... I have not been able to D/l these files yet....
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Post by sozocaps on Nov 1, 2016 9:54:16 GMT -6
After hearing the unprocessed files I have much more clarity on whats going on. I would of preferred to hear these first because I like (besides the dynamics) the clarity in the raw file best...
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Post by sozocaps on Nov 1, 2016 9:55:27 GMT -6
Please don't reveal answers yet.... I have not been able to D/l these files yet.... You need to listen to the unprocessed file first... your perspective will change you can actually hear what value / part the compressor actually has in the presentation...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 1, 2016 10:06:23 GMT -6
Please don't reveal answers yet.... I have not been able to D/l these files yet.... You need to listen to the unprocessed file first... your perspective will change you can actually hear what value / part the compressor actually has in the presentation... There was a lot bigger thread with the original file which I listened to repeatedly when doing the big 13 file test. The thread is title "big compressor comparison thread" I am not sure if you participated in the big thread yet, those different files showcase a lot.. I still need to go back thru my notes and assign compressors to takes.. This test is vca based SSL style comps only, so yes the differences fronione to the next will be smaller than the original thread.
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Post by sozocaps on Nov 1, 2016 10:11:52 GMT -6
Yea threw me because I did not have any idea of what the original sound spectrum/balance was...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 1, 2016 10:19:33 GMT -6
Yea threw me because I did not have any idea of what the original sound spectrum/balance was... I can only imagine, I kinda made the same mistake in the big thread. I started listening to the compressed files and then realized I had no base or starting point, so I kept the original in one window of the browser and the compressed versions on another browser window, this made life easier
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 3, 2016 2:17:41 GMT -6
jcoutu1 W: I think this is the Stam... or at least HW, the snare In the verse and chorus comes thru the best and the lead vox are more present in the center channel than Z, about the same as X. The ld vox and male backup more present during chorus, male is hard panned right and not buried,, horns in left sound good, definitely compressed more than the horns on Z,. The hi hats and cymbals blend well while not getting buried in the busy parts.The bass gtr is a little buried but stands out when it needs to during solo, tom fills sound nice... my favorite, I enjoy the groove on this and Y best... Hope this is Stam X Horns real present in Left speaker again, it's like they aren't getting compressed as much. The snare more buried than W more present than Z, the cymbals and hi hat arent as present in the right channel as W. I think this file is somewhat balanced during chorus but verses aren't as balanced, the ghost snares aren't buried. The gtr lead isn't as present as W but blended nicely, bass gtr more present on gtr lead, bass is more full during chorus, I like that part. iDK after comparing to W and Y it seems the groove is not as balanced .. SW Cytomic glue Y: Snare more buried than W during chorus and breakdowns but pops during snare fills. The slap delay on ld vox more present, and the gtr lead is more subdued than W or Z. The tom fills sound good and don't get lost during transitions. The bass in the gtr breakdown is present but not as strong as X, and it's less balanced than W. The horns are nice and compressed in the sides, and the cymbals and hi hats a little more compressed on the right than W, but more present than Z. The ld vox are slightly sibilant in first verse and was more apparent than others... H W RJR Z: The snare is lost during busy parts and build ups, and the tom's image kinda blur. The horns are super loud in left speaker more than other takes. Hear the ld vox fx more in this file, the vox doubles are more present in the chorus, and you hear more fx in left channel. The drum flam rolls and ghost notes somewhat apparent... sibilants on s's when music is subdued, realize, sun is beating shoulders is harsh. I feel the is snare leading compression here when busy parts are playing? The gtr lead sticks out a bit, and the horns over powering in breakdowns almost subduing the vox and losing the male backup sometimes.The stereo image is skewed a bit, barely hear the male backup vox in the right maybe the very last chorus...SW Slate grey Have only used the Ableton live version of the glue and never used the other compressors W is my pick as the best overall
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Post by sozocaps on Nov 3, 2016 12:11:39 GMT -6
Is it me and Y is over compressed ?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 3, 2016 12:40:09 GMT -6
Is it me and Y is over compressed ? It could be the original mix...I remember another poster in the big thread commenting on some things and jcoutu1 saying the poster probably did not like his mix... I assume this is the same mix, then ran thru the bus comps, meaning not 4 separate mixes mixed into each respective bus comp.. IDK how you would compare the 4 diff. mixes anyway lol it be even harder to focus on compression characteristics
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Post by topshelfmg on Nov 3, 2016 23:02:05 GMT -6
Perfect timing for this post! A SSL Style VCA comp is probably going to be my next major purchase. Though they aren't listed in the poll, the 2 ones I am between at the moment is the TK Audio BC501 and the Serpent Audio SB4001. I've heard a little bit of both, and heard the Serpent at Summer NAMM (for what that's worth), and met Mike from Serpent (who definitely knows what he's talking about) and I think both sound great in their own right. The Serpent is on sale for $250 off ($999, matching the TK) with the last day being tomorrow, so if I were to pick up the Serpent, it would probably be within the next 24 hours. Unfortunately I haven't been able to demo either, and Vintage King doesn't carry the Serpent stuff so I wouldn't be able to schedule a time to do a true audition between the two.
To me the Serpent sounds a bit cleaner (which makes sense since it uses 4 VCA's per channel in parallel), with a VCA per side chain bringing the grand total up to 10 VCA's. The TK is 1 per channel, with a single dual VCA in the sidechain. It seems like you can get a bit more "grit" out of TK with its respective THD button engaged, though its only a subtle bit more than the Serpent. I'm looking for both "clean" and "grit / punch", depending on the project. I've heard less of the TK, but it comes highly recommended. The TK seems a little more true to the design inspiration, while the Serpent seems cleaner, and slightly more versatile due to the extra release and sidechain features. These observations are both coming from limited samples of each unit, so I figure some hands on experience could push me over the fence. Bonus points to each for the mix/parallel feature in my book.
Anyone have experience with either? 500 series would probably be preferred, but if anyone has any other suggestions 500 series or otherwise I'd be interested to hear them. For this particular purchase, I'd love to keep it under $1,200. The Elysia Xpressor would also be pretty badass, and though the SSL inspiration is there, seems like it has it's own thing going on. With that said, I don't feel the need for it to sound perfectly like a SSL G comp. Similar to what was said earlier in this post, it sometimes sounds better for it to not be completely authentic to a SSL. Would be using it on the normal stuff (mix buss mainly, drum buss...maybe BGVS buss and occasional vocals?)
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 3, 2016 23:15:16 GMT -6
W, then Z.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 3, 2016 23:17:47 GMT -6
I love my Stam BTW
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Post by swurveman on Nov 4, 2016 9:58:48 GMT -6
I liked the low end on Y the best.
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