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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 6, 2016 8:20:06 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 8:57:41 GMT -6
Great song / recording. I prefer A ( on laptop speakers) sounds much fuller and dynamic. Therefore A is ITB as we all know hardware is a con
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Post by popmann on Oct 6, 2016 11:22:29 GMT -6
B by a good margin. There are a few elements that the not subtly more bottom on A is flattering for....snare being the big standout....but, I'd venture if you'd adjust the snare (find the body and bump it--start 180 and sweep up until you find it) and potentially a slight 120hz bell bump of say 1db max on the whole mixbuss, the definition of whatever B is will match the low end size of A. I really couldn't tell you which is which. I can only report what my ear likes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 12:59:54 GMT -6
ps what gear did you use OTB / ITB?
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 6, 2016 13:05:30 GMT -6
EDIT already eat my words...
ABed again in Logic Than the picture turns - would love to have the LV and Brass from A and the Low End from B
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Post by Guitar on Oct 6, 2016 13:06:47 GMT -6
I'm going to go out on a limb and say B is the digital mix.
I think I liked A a bit better. I'm listening on some weird logitech THX 2.1 speakers, the high end is kind of hyped up on both mixes. I love how defined all the instruments are, and the way everything has its own space in the mix.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 6, 2016 13:15:06 GMT -6
ps what gear did you use OTB / ITB? Midas Venice F-32 Console eq on most channels. Kick - Alta Moda AM10 - Venice EQ Snare - Alta Moda AM10 - Venice EQ OH - Venice EQ Hats - Venice EQ Rack - Venice EQ Floor - Venice EQ Bass - Lindell Compressor - Lindell EQ Guitar - Venice EQ Keys - Venice EQ Leslie Down - Venice EQ Leslie Up - Venice EQ - Foote Pico 502 Pair Tenor - Venice EQ - DBX560A TPT - Venice EQ - DBX560A Barry - Venice EQ - DBX 560A Ld Vox - Tonelux Tilt - Stam SA2A - Tonelux EQ5P Ld Vox Delay - Venice EQ - DIYRE Colour - LTL Pulse - DIYRE Cinemag BGVox - Tonelux Tilt BGVox2 - Tonelux Tilt All reverb was Exponential Nimbus Drum Buss - Thermionic Rooster - Tonelux TX5C Pair Vocal Buss - Thermionic Phoenix Mastering 2-Buss - RJR Sickx3 - Phoenix Audio DRS-Q4
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Post by wiz on Oct 6, 2016 14:57:32 GMT -6
I really liked A
To me, B was too thin.
I would do a little 2 buss EQ on A and be done.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by ragan on Oct 6, 2016 15:01:52 GMT -6
I voted A too. Bigger overall sound stage. More spacious.
I'm only on cans but that's my initial impression. I kind of liked that B wasn't as bright but it felt smaller/narrower overall.
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Post by donr on Oct 6, 2016 17:42:49 GMT -6
I liked A better for the wider panning and separation, although B sounded good too. Why was the panning different in the two versions?
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 6, 2016 17:45:31 GMT -6
A felt more open to me.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 6, 2016 18:27:01 GMT -6
There were things I preferred on each. At first B is more natural, but when the vocal comes in, the reverb's so prominent, it put the vocal too far back and spoiled it for me. So, because of the vocal alone, I have to pick A, but I preferred B until the vocal, so it's a TKO.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 6, 2016 19:03:07 GMT -6
B is the ITB box mix, A had more noise in the beginning and the guitars sounds more blended in the overall mix whereas in B the gtrs stood out and were more prominent. The vocal sibilance is stronger and more present in B, as well as the Vox fx standing out more in B and being more tucked in A. The low end seems more focused In B. It's hard to say which I like better, honestly.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 6, 2016 19:46:06 GMT -6
Cool post Chase. I picked A, but liked B too. The vocal thing was weird though. A lead vocal's the most important thing in a track like this, so the ITB mix wouldn't really work unless the vocal sound could be adjusted. I've had difficulties getting the vocal to sit right ITB myself. It's getting better, the more outboard gear I get. With the Dizengoff D4, the Warm Audio WA2A, WA76 and EQP-WA, I'm moving in the right direction. I'd like the STAM SSL comp, a Neve style preamp and another EQP-1A, and maybe the eventide H9 reverb, ( I can't afford a Bricasti), and I could potentially be plug free in the 2 bus.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 6, 2016 20:10:45 GMT -6
I just tossed in a new *wildcard* mix for anyone that wants to listen. Made some tweaks to both mixes today and liking this new wildcard mix the best. Any guess which one was revised and does this change your opinion of ITB vs. OTB?
Also, I'm going to have some more fun and games with this mix once it's dialed in. I'll run a version with my RJR Buss Compressor vs. my Stam SA4000 for a battle of the SSL style compressors!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 6, 2016 20:42:16 GMT -6
I liked A better for the wider panning and separation, although B sounded good too. Why was the panning different in the two versions? Different panning because I started from a clean slate. Wiped everything out of the ITB mix and started fresh. Studio vs office. OTB vs. ITB. Day vs. Night. Different on all levels. For the newest mix, I went wide based on the feedback.
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Post by geoff738 on Oct 6, 2016 21:45:35 GMT -6
I liked the newest one best based on one listen to each on earbuds on an iPod. In order. So, grain of salt. Plus had already read the comments before I listened.
I still think the the lead vocal is getting lost a bit when the brass is blaring, but there's some nice sounds in there, and nice sense of space. I tend to default to a pre delay of 30 msec give or take on lead vox, but recently saw a thing on CLA where he's using waaaaay more pre delay. IIRC something like 120 or 150. Maybe more. Remind me next time I have a busy mix to give that a try.
Fun tune, good playing.
FWIW I preferred A to B but liked the low end on B more. No idea which was itb vs otb.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by rowmat on Oct 6, 2016 22:08:49 GMT -6
I haven't had a chance to listen yet (I will) but I'm right in the middle of 10 quick ruff mixes of my own and am mixing ITB rather than via the console and outboard (which is our normal mix method) and all I can say the sonics and sense of space and depth are not anywhere near as good as the rough monitor mixes we had up on the console earlier in the week.
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Post by jdc on Oct 7, 2016 7:39:33 GMT -6
I really like the wildcard mix the best. It sounds like the A mix revisited with the snappiness and open top end, but the vocal is situated more naturally in related to the reverb, making it feel more present. Great mix!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 7, 2016 8:44:33 GMT -6
Where is the "wildcard" mix, I don't see it.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 7, 2016 9:02:07 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Oct 7, 2016 9:21:46 GMT -6
I like the latest (wildcard) mix the best too. Not sure it has to do with the summing, I just like the choices better. Vocal is more intelligible and I like the chorus BGV panned over to the right. Feels less sizzly too, which I dig.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 7, 2016 9:42:22 GMT -6
I like the latest (wildcard) mix the best too. Not sure it has to do with the summing, I just like the choices better. Vocal is more intelligible and I like the chorus BGV panned over to the right. Feels less sizzly too, which I dig. Do you think this is a revision of A or B?
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Post by Guitar on Oct 7, 2016 9:55:57 GMT -6
To me it sounds like a revision of B. Really good mixing there, that's some quality work. I still find A to be the most exciting mix, just seem to have more pyrotechnics in it.
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Post by ragan on Oct 7, 2016 10:02:58 GMT -6
I like the latest (wildcard) mix the best too. Not sure it has to do with the summing, I just like the choices better. Vocal is more intelligible and I like the chorus BGV panned over to the right. Feels less sizzly too, which I dig. Do you think this is a revision of A or B? I'm not really sure. Are you changing panning in these various mixes? The width differences seem way more drastic than just ITB vs OTB summing. Obviously the BGV vocal I mentioned is panned different in the wildcard, but it feels like the instruments are panned quite differently each time. The wildcard seems panned the widest. Makes it hard to narrow down what we're listening to, other than just different panning.
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