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Nov 16, 2013 0:20:42 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Nov 16, 2013 0:20:42 GMT -6
This is honestly the first i've ever listened to her, it's so bad, i thought id share lol. Is she really a platinum seller? check out 5:48 or so, autotune to the rescue, IMO it's actually sad that this person is famous. Its pretty close to the real life version of this lmao!
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Nov 16, 2013 1:37:10 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 1:37:10 GMT -6
Hahahahaha, pretty funny. "Why can we laugh about stereotypes? Because they are true...." Where is her manager to save her from herself? Must be at least some kind of deaf to think such a vid would be good promotion, lol. Pretty cruel. A hard job to make it sound professional? I guess so.
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Nov 16, 2013 8:30:06 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Nov 16, 2013 8:30:06 GMT -6
Holy shit...that is horrific. In her defense (I have no idea why I'm coming to her defense) this looks like a really early video, and I think she has gotten a lot better as a singer. My kid is 7 and I've kind've been exposed to her music as she has grown up...and I have to say - her melodies are undeniable. She has it in her. I would MUCH rather hear her music than most of the Truck Country on Country radio. Also, the unabashed confidence and lack of any shame...the incredible convergence of a beautiful teen, social media and a label head that was a marketing/promoting genius. We went to a Taylor show for my kid's 5th bday and the very first thing she did was come out in front of the crowd, do a 180 degree pan and a 3 minute staredown of the audience (to a chorus of Beatle-like screams), and not say a word...I was just absolutely taken aback at the amount of confidence. This is a kid that has never had life kick her in the ass. Child-star that hasn't seen failure...and maybe she never will, but I kind of doubt it. Enough of my babbling...I just thought I would at least say I think she's talented and that video is absolute proof that it's terribly difficult to know who to hitch your wagon to...There are sooo many variables to success and the ability to sing is probably low on the totem pole.
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Nov 16, 2013 8:35:35 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 16, 2013 8:35:35 GMT -6
Holy shit...that is horrific. In her defense (I have no idea why I'm coming to her defense) this looks like a really early video, and I think she has gotten a lot better as a singer. My kid is 7 and I've kind've been exposed to her music as she has grown up...and I have to say - her melodies are undeniable. She has it in her. I would MUCH rather hear her music than most of the Truck Country on Country radio. Also, the unabashed confidence and lack of any shame...the incredible convergence of a beautiful teen, social media and a label head that was a marketing/promoting genius. We went to a Taylor show for my kid's 5th bday and the very first thing she did was come out in front of the crowd, do a 180 degree pan and a 3 minute staredown of the audience (to a chorus of Beatle-like screams), and not say a word...I was just absolutely taken aback at the amount of confidence. This is a kid that has never had life kick her in the ass. Child-star that hasn't seen failure...and maybe she never will, but I kind of doubt it. Enough of my babbling...I just thought I would at least say I think she's talented and that video is absolute proof that it's terribly difficult to know who to hitch your wagon to...There are sooo many variables to success and the ability to sing is probably low on the totem pole. Her songs and production are top notch too. Much better than 95% of the pop top 40 songs that my cover band was playing.
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Post by lolo on Nov 16, 2013 8:51:45 GMT -6
Prob get burned for this.
Also been to one of her shows. Was n great show.
She isnt the strongest vocalist. BUT she is believable. And she is a hell of a songwriter. Great melodies. Heard the other night they said at the CMA's, she have written every single song on all her records.
The show we went to she did a acoustic section. Think about 4 songs just with her guitar. Prob the best part of the show that night. Band bad pretty tight as well.
I think she's got it. That video doesn't sound very good though. As John said it is pretty old.
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Nov 16, 2013 9:03:21 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Nov 16, 2013 9:03:21 GMT -6
Cher sounds like shit in real life too...Like I said, singing is probably the smallest part of the equation. Man - listen to Brittany...she's worse.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 9:11:07 GMT -6
I agree on the talent aspect and she's still so young. Amazing to have so much success while still having so much promise.
But, wait a minute... where was the awful Avantone Mic? Her nasal quality is a perfect fit for that bright mic (joke).
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Nov 16, 2013 10:30:24 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 10:30:24 GMT -6
that hallelujah part is definitely paying tribute to every Hillsong praise&worship song out there. I would love to have the opportunity to work with someone like her in that setting. Excited to make the music, and not afraid to try every idea, and also working with the band live. that's just awesome. She's no Gary Le Vox, vocally speaking, but it works for her being a singer/songwriter. too bad she's an artist, not a singer/songwriter lol
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Nov 16, 2013 13:41:05 GMT -6
Post by jsteiger on Nov 16, 2013 13:41:05 GMT -6
I saw her open for Tim and Faith in the round when she was 16 (IIRC). It was Taylor on ac gtr, a girl on fiddle and some dude on banjo. There was no question she would be a superstar. She is without a doubt a very charismatic entertainer. Not my fav female vocalist but I also think she has gotten better over the years.
I like how she talks about Big Machine as an infant label. Haha, look at them now!!!
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Nov 16, 2013 14:44:14 GMT -6
Post by jazznoise on Nov 16, 2013 14:44:14 GMT -6
I find the "Oh look how metaphorically I'm speaking in front of Mr. Video Man" part far more cringey than her singing. Personally, I don't imagine anything there was the final take. It's just a gesture, to give the idea of the track progressing (Thus the constant: Here is the kernel..and the final product; voila!).
When people want to talk about videoing the recording session I instantly cringe. Some people pull it off well, but it's the exception rather than the rule and you're rarely getting the bang-for-buck you think you are.
As an artist, I'm okay with her. She can write a song. I don't really understand why they choose to smash the life out of those drums, I think it really undermines the drama of a song like this, but whatever.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 16, 2013 15:17:33 GMT -6
like i said in the first post, this is the first i've ever heard her, i was taken aback in steps, first by the vapidly embarrassing bravado, then by the beginner robot like strumming of the guitar, then by the voice that has no tone, and finally by the wildly bad intonation problems. Normally i'd hear someone bang guitar strings like that, and hit the back button in about a 1/2 second, but I knew this person was uber famous from going though the checkout line at the food store with all the tabloid mags lol, so my curiosity gave it more of a chance. I also know that some girls named kerdasian? are famous for some reason too, just don't know why? Later, I found the video of that parody, lol, and though....i gotta post this.
no offense intended to anyone who likes her, but this is the same regurgitated, cookie cutter corporate conjured bs song that Averil Levin did 10 years ago... it's lame imo. Paul McCartney and Elton John can't sell 50,000 records, and this joke is platinum? what ever...this is what i feel is happening to music..
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Nov 16, 2013 16:06:25 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 16, 2013 16:06:25 GMT -6
like i said in the first post, this is the first i've ever heard her, i was taken aback in steps, first by the vapidly embarrassing bravado, then by the beginner robot like strumming of the guitar, then by the voice that has no tone, and finally by the wildly bad intonation problems. Normally i'd hear someone bang guitar strings like that, and hit the back button in about a 1/2 second, but I knew this person was uber famous from going though the checkout line at the food store with all the tabloid mags lol, so my curiosity gave it more of a chance. I also know that some girls named kerdasian? are famous for some reason too, just don't know why? Later, I found the video of that parody, lol, and though....i gotta post this. no offense intended to anyone who likes her, but this is the same regurgitated, cookie cutter corporate conjured bs song that Averil Levin did 10 years ago... it's lame imo. Paul McCartney and Elton John can't sell 50,000 records, and this joke is platinum? what ever...this is what i feel is happening to music.. Time out. You hadn't heard Taylor Swift before this? Do you live under a rock?
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Nov 16, 2013 16:16:19 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Nov 16, 2013 16:16:19 GMT -6
Time out. You hadn't heard Taylor Swift before this? Do you live under a rock? lol, of course i heard OF her, i just never listened to her until last night, and yes i do live under a rock..in my studio with my soldering iron for about a year now... i cant wait to stop diddling, and start making some music again 8)
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 16, 2013 16:42:40 GMT -6
Well, maybe I've been conditioned to accept this kind of stuff...maybe all of us have to a certain extent. I mean, WTF? I'm no making excuses for Taylor Swift?
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Nov 16, 2013 17:22:14 GMT -6
Post by mobeach on Nov 16, 2013 17:22:14 GMT -6
I saw her Red tour this past summer, I thought it was a great show entertainment wise. As far as vocal quality at the show I thought it was excellent, they had a really big digital console that was very clear sounding. I thought her band had talent but it was by all means pop! In my country band we played Mean, I learned the bassline from the 54th Grammy's version, great groove!
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Nov 16, 2013 17:38:45 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 17:38:45 GMT -6
Hahaha, yes, Tony brought it to the point how that video comes across someone who was aware there is a Taylor Swift but managed not to hear a single tone of her to date... First the dominant and sparkling a bit theatralic spreading if glorious musical ideas...and then... When she started singing in the mic I instantly had to think of the fun video that i saw few weeks before...the blond hair, the thin voice, and then out-ta-tune - similarities were so striking actually... And i thought - Oh wow, what was first??? Parody or original? Or is this really independent? Especially how it got worse and worse and just the moment you shake your head and grin alot you get the polished track... Sorry, but i really had to laugh - no matter if she might be a good songwriter or performer or platinum seller or whatever. A very unfortunate video, but at least very entertaining, maybe in a different way as intended. So i beg your pardon if it gets on the wrong side of anyone. Please take it with humor. Best regards, Martin
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Nov 17, 2013 9:31:29 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 17, 2013 9:31:29 GMT -6
She simply sweetened up the breathy vibe of Suzanne Vega, and wrote lyrics for young teenage girls. The songs are solid, nothing original, but she has the knack for pop music. I tuned in once to a CMA award show a few years back. She was alone, with an acoustic guitar, still a teenager, in front of what, 25,000 people, and millions of viewers. She didn't miss a note, her guitar playing was basic, but flawless, not one wrong bass note/string, vocal pitch was spot on. Sure, it's not Ella Fitzgerald, or Whitney, or Chrissie Hynde, but she got the emotion of her song across, under all that scrutiny and pressure. That young woman has earned her place in music, even if it's not ground breaking or highly original, it's not crap, we're not her audience, it's really meant for very young girls.
Comparing her work to great art is like comparing a book for third grade level readers to great literature, there's no real reason to.
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Nov 17, 2013 9:46:16 GMT -6
Post by Ward on Nov 17, 2013 9:46:16 GMT -6
She's like 23 or older now. Completely relevant. The best thing to happen to teenage girls since teenage boys. She writes poignant/cogent/saliant lyrics for young people, not just girls, and is actively engaged in the production of her own music. Great singer in the emoting sense and pretty good in every sense, great songwriter, great artist and HUMBLE.
I don't see anything I can't love. (well, her music doesn't appeal to me, but I respect it).
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Nov 17, 2013 10:22:15 GMT -6
Post by jazznoise on Nov 17, 2013 10:22:15 GMT -6
She's like 23 or older now. Completely relevant. The best thing to happen to teenage girls since teenage boys. She writes poignant/cogent/saliant lyrics for young people, not just girls, and is actively engaged in the production of her own music. Great singer in the emoting sense and pretty good in every sense, great songwriter, great artist and HUMBLE. I don't see anything I can't love. (well, her music doesn't appeal to me, but I respect it). It's a very valid point. It's refreshing to say a role model for girls that isn't just a teen-to-twenty-something willing to take it in the you-know-where from whoever is holding the checkbook on the day. Then go crazy, shave their head and have a Britney comebac- oh, I said too much. That said. It still is cookie cutter music and it'd be nice if the sincere performance was met with some interesting songwriting. It's 2013 and the music could be pulled right from the 80's. Lastly, not everyone's into US pop culture and particularly the Southern country-pop thing (which outside of T.Swift doesn't even make blip on the radar in the European market). I only know her music because some of my guitar students have wanted to learn it. Not a lot of people could name a Girl's Generation tune or any big K-Pop artists despite them being huge in the Asian market and winning several awards from Google, Youtube etc. It's the way of the world, everyone thinks their lifestyle is obviously the majority one because all their friends live and consume the same way.
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Nov 17, 2013 11:37:24 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 17, 2013 11:37:24 GMT -6
I've been teaching guitar for longer than Taylor Swift's been alive. I've had many, many requests to teach her songs, and I'm happy to do so, they're good basic structure helps me makes a few important points. I have never, ever, or should I say, ever, ever, ever, ever, been asked by a male student to learn a Taylor Swift song. She's not even on their radar. So, saying she writes for "not just girls" is very far from the reality. Not trying at all to be negative toward you Ward, just saying what's what.
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Nov 17, 2013 11:54:41 GMT -6
Post by Ward on Nov 17, 2013 11:54:41 GMT -6
I say, ever, ever, ever, ever, been asked by a male student to learn a Taylor Swift song. She's not even on their radar. So, saying she writes for "not just girls" is very far from the reality. Not trying at all to be negative toward you Ward, just saying what's what. Guitar students may not be her primary demographic. ;-)
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Nov 17, 2013 12:12:21 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 17, 2013 12:12:21 GMT -6
ahh, but I teach mainly young students, at least 50% are girls, and they're very interested in music, and are indeed her primary demographic I think. Hell, she might be half the reason they want to play guitar.
I promise you, I could ask 100 boys if they have a Taylor Swift song on their iPod, and I'd bet dollars to dimes, maybe one does, but I doubt the percentage is even that high.
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Nov 17, 2013 12:35:01 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 17, 2013 12:35:01 GMT -6
ahh, but I teach mainly young students, at least 50% are girls, and they're very interested in music, and are indeed her primary demographic I think. Hell, she might be half the reason they want to play guitar. I promise you, I could ask 100 boys if they have a Taylor Swift song on their iPod, and I'd bet dollars to dimes, maybe one does, but I doubt the percentage is even that high. I think the number of boys learning guitar would be close to 0, but higher with non-guitar playing boys. Usually boys that are learning to play are different from the pop listening crowd.
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Nov 17, 2013 13:08:02 GMT -6
Post by jazznoise on Nov 17, 2013 13:08:02 GMT -6
ahh, but I teach mainly young students, at least 50% are girls, and they're very interested in music, and are indeed her primary demographic I think. Hell, she might be half the reason they want to play guitar. I promise you, I could ask 100 boys if they have a Taylor Swift song on their iPod, and I'd bet dollars to dimes, maybe one does, but I doubt the percentage is even that high. I think the number of boys learning guitar would be close to 0, but higher with non-guitar playing boys. Usually boys that are learning to play are different from the pop listening crowd. This. Generally guys learning the guitar are either interested in music about people they don't like exploding or having sex with girls. But she's definitely inspired a few of my students to play guitar. Problem is if they're just star struck they don't stick with it. It hurts, guitars are kinda gross and unless their friends are into it it's something a young girl has to do on her own - unless she wants to start hanging out with guys. And then there's that whole dynamic. Other girls really are the main obstacle in a girl's life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2013 13:33:18 GMT -6
Neil Young isn't much of a singer, neither is Bob Dylan yet both manage to communicate very well to their audience. I agree with what another poster said regarding her speaking being more cringe worthy than the vocals.
I often do scratches here with performers that are by no means something we would want anyone outside the room to hear.
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