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Post by chessparov on Dec 27, 2019 14:48:18 GMT -6
Great point Bob! OK the next BIG thing... Bagpipes and Country begets "Brogue Country" Great Scot!  Chris |
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Post by wiz on Jan 7, 2020 17:44:23 GMT -6
I started reading the first post... and the first line "There was a time....." just seemed like the opening line of a song to me.... A lady I know (who was the vocalist of the year in the Tamworth Golden Guitar Awards in the 90s (our CMA's here in Oz) had been voicing her thoughts on current music vs old school, and I had been thinking about getting older (turned 55 in November). The song came flying out. I had been re arranging the studio , and recorded this. Its my U87 in Fig 8 on vocal, and the Rode NTR on my Taylor GS Mini Mahogany. In the classic singer songwriter set up so there is minimal bleed of vocal into guitar mic and vice versa. There is an instance of Fab Filter EQ on vocal and guitar, RX7 De Noise. I also popped the 87 on the word came and the only fix that was even passable way a brick wall high pass at that point. But I liked it and thought I would share. Its also the first time I have tracked, monitoring with the Bricasti in place (Waits Room) and Valhalla Plate verb. I normally monitor dry. Singing and playing live with the Bricasti and the plate reverb is heaven..... cheers Wiz Three Chords and Truth |
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Post by yotonic on Jan 10, 2020 10:21:27 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 13, 2020 20:04:33 GMT -6
To me the defining moment of country is when it turned from real life stories, including tragedies and the struggle of the every man, to escapism. The modern producers just want to make money. If they found a thing that works they do the same shit over and over again. Who was Janis Joplin, or who is Jack White doing art, diffrent stiles and songs and still keeping thier fans. Sorry to me one thing is clear the meaning of connecting to your audience is dead in pop industry. Little blue girl... GN |
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 13, 2020 23:17:23 GMT -6
To me the defining moment of country is when it turned from real life stories, including tragedies and the struggle of the every man, to escapism. The modern producers just want to make money. If they found a thing that works they do the same shit over and over again. Who was Janis Joplin, or who is Jack White doing art, diffrent stiles and songs and still keeping thier fans. Sorry to me one thing is clear the meaning of connecting to your audience is dead in pop industry. Little blue girl... GN AHEM!
MR. HOLMES - you are not allowed to be more pessimistic than myself. Believe me, it's for your own good!
-John-
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 13, 2020 23:31:43 GMT -6
I started reading the first post... and the first line "There was a time....." just seemed like the opening line of a song to me.... A lady I know (who was the vocalist of the year in the Tamworth Golden Guitar Awards in the 90s (our CMA's here in Oz) had been voicing her thoughts on current music vs old school, and I had been thinking about getting older (turned 55 in November). The song came flying out. I had been re arranging the studio , and recorded this. Its my U87 in Fig 8 on vocal, and the Rode NTR on my Taylor GS Mini Mahogany. In the classic singer songwriter set up so there is minimal bleed of vocal into guitar mic and vice versa. There is an instance of Fab Filter EQ on vocal and guitar, RX7 De Noise. I also popped the 87 on the word came and the only fix that was even passable way a brick wall high pass at that point. But I liked it and thought I would share. Its also the first time I have tracked, monitoring with the Bricasti in place (Waits Room) and Valhalla Plate verb. I normally monitor dry. Singing and playing live with the Bricasti and the plate reverb is heaven..... cheers Wiz Three Chords and TruthNice. I've actually been playing with the idea of that old Harlan Howard quotation for a song, if not an album concept, for some time, but don't have anything down yet. I tend to gestate slowly at times.
Interesting you mention the RX7. I actually find the absence of background noise a wee bit disconcerting, like listening to music in an anechoic chamber, kinda.
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Post by wiz on Jan 14, 2020 0:54:32 GMT -6
I started reading the first post... and the first line "There was a time....." just seemed like the opening line of a song to me.... A lady I know (who was the vocalist of the year in the Tamworth Golden Guitar Awards in the 90s (our CMA's here in Oz) had been voicing her thoughts on current music vs old school, and I had been thinking about getting older (turned 55 in November). The song came flying out. I had been re arranging the studio , and recorded this. Its my U87 in Fig 8 on vocal, and the Rode NTR on my Taylor GS Mini Mahogany. In the classic singer songwriter set up so there is minimal bleed of vocal into guitar mic and vice versa. There is an instance of Fab Filter EQ on vocal and guitar, RX7 De Noise. I also popped the 87 on the word came and the only fix that was even passable way a brick wall high pass at that point. But I liked it and thought I would share. Its also the first time I have tracked, monitoring with the Bricasti in place (Waits Room) and Valhalla Plate verb. I normally monitor dry. Singing and playing live with the Bricasti and the plate reverb is heaven..... cheers Wiz Three Chords and TruthNice. I've actually been playing with the idea of that old Harlan Howard quotation for a song, if not an album concept, for some time, but don't have anything down yet. I tend to gestate slowly at times.
Interesting you mention the RX7. I actually find the absence of background noise a wee bit disconcerting, like listening to music in an anechoic chamber, kinda.
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Post by teejay on May 14, 2021 7:39:37 GMT -6
I see there are several threads here that reference the Country Music of today topic. This is the one that stuck in my mind.
Not sure how you guys classify Alan Jackson, but I was reading an article today about him returning to recording after six years and some personal life losses. Thought his comments fit right in with this thread (and similar ones here):
"...But I tell you what, when [longtime producer] Keith [Stegall] and I went in, I said, “Man, we're going to make a country album. I don't have to worry about radio anymore; they probably won’t play me anyway. I'm just going to make what I like — and what I know my fans like.” And we went in there and I brought these old pickers back that played of most my records, and they played some of the coolest tracks that we’ve played in 30 years. When Keith sent me those first two or three cuts that were kind of half-done, it just about made me tear up. I had to pull over. I was so proud, and so glad to hear some real country music. … I just sat there, and then I told my wife, “These songs need to come with a six-pack of beer and a bottle of Jack Daniel’s.” [laughs]"
Interviewer: "That actually brings me to another line of questioning I wanted to get to. I'll be honest that when I found out the album was called Where Have You Gone, I assumed the title was a reference to the losses you’ve recently experienced. But then I realized it’s actually a reference to the classic country music genre, right?"
Jackson: "Yeah, but it's not an attack on what's going on. I mean, there's good music out there. There's just really not much real country anymore, and I'm such a fan of that. I mean, I came to Nashville carrying my torch for country music in 1985, and it was the same thing then — there just weren’t many young artists trying to keep it going. And I loved it. I was a young man and I loved real, hard country. There’s still young guys and girls today that love that kind of music, but it's just slowly fading away, and I don't hear hardly any of it left in the new music anymore. And it's not that to say that everyone has to sound like Hank Williams. I'm not criticizing. It's just my personal feeling that it's going away. I feel like it's like a lost love. And that's what this [title track] kind of represents."
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Post by gwlee7 on May 14, 2021 14:16:48 GMT -6
I am actually working on a George Jones inspired song right now. My collaborators said "BRING THE GLOOM"!! |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 27, 2021 0:14:07 GMT -6
Dear Lord. I am SO glad that it took me over a year to watch that video. I kept thinking they were kind’ve poking fun of the genre...but no. It was as bad as it gets. It’s why I can’t write country anymore. Hey look - there have been light hearted songs that were fantastic - I don’t begrudge them at all. (It’s A Great Day To Be Alive) But my God, the bad in the genre right now is just soul killing. There are people doing great stuff - it’s just not in the popular mainstream. I’ll never understand it. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 27, 2021 0:26:46 GMT -6
I see there are several threads here that reference the Country Music of today topic. This is the one that stuck in my mind. Not sure how you guys classify Alan Jackson, but I was reading an article today about him returning to recording after six years and some personal life losses. Thought his comments fit right in with this thread (and similar ones here): "...But I tell you what, when [longtime producer] Keith [Stegall] and I went in, I said, “Man, we're going to make a country album. I don't have to worry about radio anymore; they probably won’t play me anyway. I'm just going to make what I like — and what I know my fans like.” And we went in there and I brought these old pickers back that played of most my records, and they played some of the coolest tracks that we’ve played in 30 years. When Keith sent me those first two or three cuts that were kind of half-done, it just about made me tear up. I had to pull over. I was so proud, and so glad to hear some real country music. … I just sat there, and then I told my wife, “These songs need to come with a six-pack of beer and a bottle of Jack Daniel’s.” [laughs]" Interviewer: "That actually brings me to another line of questioning I wanted to get to. I'll be honest that when I found out the album was called Where Have You Gone, I assumed the title was a reference to the losses you’ve recently experienced. But then I realized it’s actually a reference to the classic country music genre, right?" Jackson: "Yeah, but it's not an attack on what's going on. I mean, there's good music out there. There's just really not much real country anymore, and I'm such a fan of that. I mean, I came to Nashville carrying my torch for country music in 1985, and it was the same thing then — there just weren’t many young artists trying to keep it going. And I loved it. I was a young man and I loved real, hard country. There’s still young guys and girls today that love that kind of music, but it's just slowly fading away, and I don't hear hardly any of it left in the new music anymore. And it's not that to say that everyone has to sound like Hank Williams. I'm not criticizing. It's just my personal feeling that it's going away. I feel like it's like a lost love. And that's what this [title track] kind of represents." Very interesting. I haven’t heard that album, but I’m going to go listen to it. I was never really a big AJ fan. Even his stuff was pretty “produced”...but man - those songs like “Chattahoochie,” “Tall Tall Trees,” “Neon Rainbow,” “Here In The Real World,” ok - I just looked some more up. Maybe I AM an AJ fan. Had forgotten about “Wanted,” “Midnight In Montgomery,” “Pop A Top”. Damn. Ok. He’s right about all that stuff. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 27, 2021 0:36:31 GMT -6
Here’s one I think is extremely well written - “the craft.” Taking a hook, turning it a bunch of different ways without you realizing it’s coming. Feels incredibly conversational. Btw - this mix on this album is the best mix on a country record I’ve heard in a long time. (Excuse the singer) Then there’s things like this...that are just incredible. Makes me remember why I wanted to write. You guys ever hear this song? |
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2021 10:29:09 GMT -6
The classic folks spent more time on stage as an unknown before ever setting foot in a studio than most of today's spend in their entire career. Stage experience is a big underappreciated deal. Rereading this all these years later Bob the fact that you said “on stage” and not performing live really stands out and might truly define Bro Country. |
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2021 10:30:53 GMT -6
I see there are several threads here that reference the Country Music of today topic. This is the one that stuck in my mind. Not sure how you guys classify Alan Jackson, but I was reading an article today about him returning to recording after six years and some personal life losses. Thought his comments fit right in with this thread (and similar ones here): "...But I tell you what, when [longtime producer] Keith [Stegall] and I went in, I said, “Man, we're going to make a country album. I don't have to worry about radio anymore; they probably won’t play me anyway. I'm just going to make what I like — and what I know my fans like.” And we went in there and I brought these old pickers back that played of most my records, and they played some of the coolest tracks that we’ve played in 30 years. When Keith sent me those first two or three cuts that were kind of half-done, it just about made me tear up. I had to pull over. I was so proud, and so glad to hear some real country music. … I just sat there, and then I told my wife, “These songs need to come with a six-pack of beer and a bottle of Jack Daniel’s.” [laughs]" Interviewer: "That actually brings me to another line of questioning I wanted to get to. I'll be honest that when I found out the album was called Where Have You Gone, I assumed the title was a reference to the losses you’ve recently experienced. But then I realized it’s actually a reference to the classic country music genre, right?" Jackson: "Yeah, but it's not an attack on what's going on. I mean, there's good music out there. There's just really not much real country anymore, and I'm such a fan of that. I mean, I came to Nashville carrying my torch for country music in 1985, and it was the same thing then — there just weren’t many young artists trying to keep it going. And I loved it. I was a young man and I loved real, hard country. There’s still young guys and girls today that love that kind of music, but it's just slowly fading away, and I don't hear hardly any of it left in the new music anymore. And it's not that to say that everyone has to sound like Hank Williams. I'm not criticizing. It's just my personal feeling that it's going away. I feel like it's like a lost love. And that's what this [title track] kind of represents." Very interesting. I haven’t heard that album, but I’m going to go listen to it. I was never really a big AJ fan. Even his stuff was pretty “produced”...but man - those songs like “Chattahoochie,” “Tall Tall Trees,” “Neon Rainbow,” “Here In The Real World,” ok - I just looked some more up. Maybe I AM an AJ fan. Had forgotten about “Wanted,” “Midnight In Montgomery,” “Pop A Top”. Damn. Ok. He’s right about all that stuff. there still is a space for a great song, it’s just not as easy to find anymore. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 27, 2021 12:10:19 GMT -6
Recording used to be expensive. That sorted out quality!
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Post by spindrift on May 27, 2021 18:14:55 GMT -6
Dang Johnkenn, that song that LeAnn Rimes sings is GREAT. Very nice work there John. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 1, 2021 23:46:58 GMT -6
Thanks John K., for those outstanding song picks.
Genuinely curious, why "excuse the singer" on Pardi?
(too much Autotune-for one thing?)
Thanks, Chris
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 2, 2021 8:00:34 GMT -6
Dang John, Angry All the Time really got to me. That didn't feel predictable and was heartfelt and real. That's a real song in my book.
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