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Post by ericn on May 17, 2016 7:16:45 GMT -6
Awesome, Bill! Man...I could use some windows. Sometimes I wonder if I would work more if I didn't feel like I was going to the "bunker." That little room of yours needs more than a window ! but having a window isn't everything I have spent enough time in cels I mean hospital rooms with "a window" and had the wonderful view of somebody else's window or alley to feel like all windows are equal. I have also baked in front of the solar panels I mean windows at more than one Fullcompass location where we had to wear sunglasses.
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Post by gouge on May 17, 2016 7:17:53 GMT -6
bass frequencies tend to pass through glass walls so the bass build up in the room should be less than a fully isolated space. one of the downsides of isolation is the need to treat the space. it's a guess on my part but the bigger issues would be reflections. some interesting data on glass windows and walls. www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/836
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Post by mrholmes on May 17, 2016 7:25:53 GMT -6
drbillI do like the design with the windows. I also did want to have open windows but that did not work out in my room - the dimension are less then ideal. Tell us how did the RT work out in the final measurements at the listening position. Is it more on the super dry side 200 ms, or in between 200 and 400??? I need to have breaks, taking a walk outside because there is no daylight. Its a wise decision to have daylight in the studio.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 17, 2016 7:30:23 GMT -6
Awesome, Bill! Man...I could use some windows. Sometimes I wonder if I would work more if I didn't feel like I was going to the "bunker." That little room of yours needs more than a window ! I feel vaguely condescended...I need a shower...
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Post by Ward on May 17, 2016 7:37:54 GMT -6
That little room of yours needs more than a window ! I feel vaguely condescended...I need a shower... But it' so cozy! However, sometimes tight quarters do lead to the need for additional showers!
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Post by ericn on May 17, 2016 7:45:41 GMT -6
That little room of yours needs more than a window ! I feel vaguely condescended...I need a shower... Hey I liked the place just sayin! What not everybody has a large format console, a pair of midfields racksin their dinningroom too?
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Post by warrenfirehouse on May 17, 2016 9:34:31 GMT -6
Wow. Impressive drbill! Looks amazing.
Although I'm surprised in a room of that level to only see one set of monitors. Care to comment?
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:40:31 GMT -6
Very , very nice. I would like to know more about how you have the video monitors mounted alongside the desk. I am currently looking for a similar solution. They are mounted on the top rear of the desk behind the upper racks and are articulating arms that move pretty much any direction. You can check em out further on the sterlingmodular.com site.
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:42:04 GMT -6
Congratulations drbill, that is one beautiful room! I think I am now suffering from CRE / Control Room Envy Did you build the wood diffusors on the side walls? Thanks man. Jeff designed them specifically and I had them built to match the desk and racks. They are absorption and diffusion panels.
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:42:57 GMT -6
Oh man that is beautiful!! Where is it located? Thanks! Somewhere West of the Rockies and East of the Ocean.... :-)
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:44:11 GMT -6
Because there's been a move away from consoles and everyone's going hybrid, I really like the way people are setting up their mix area like a mastering engineer would. It makes a lot of sense - I've still got my rack gear all to one side and nothing in front of me except my control surface and keyboard, I really need to make a change to my own set-up. These pictures are very inspiring and look fantastic! What an amazing work space. Thanks. Yes, having everything (well...most everything) in front of you makes a big difference. Very inspiring.
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:45:22 GMT -6
Looks great! It actually looks a lot like the dimensions of a room in my basement, I've always been discouraged by the fact that's it's long but not deep. Did you find that bring a problem? The camera lens accentuates it, but no, I haven't found it to be a problem. In fact, loving the layout.
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:49:57 GMT -6
I don't know about conventional wisdom, and honestly, I'm not sure there really is any . Beautiful looking room. Congratulations! As for conventional wisdom: My first thought from all the time I've spent reading at the Purple Place is, "where are the 8" floor to ceiling corner bass traps?". It doesn't appear that this design has heavy bass trapping in the corners, but it may be hidden. So, did Jeff not go with the heavy corner bass trapping doctrine? The other thing is your speaker height. Conventional wisdom is to have the tweeters at ear level, but I don't see how that's possible from the photos. Unless you're extremely tall it appears that the woofers are at ear height. Such a beautiful place. Have fun! Well....I'm not much for conventional wisdom... :-) Thanks. There are no corner bass traps. How Jeff worked that out is beyond my expertise. I trust the man, and do what he tells me. :-) There is trapping on the side walls under the diffusor panels and on the rear of the back wall around the desk. I am fairly tall, but I'd guess the tweeters are maybe 4" or so above my ears. I have a vague recollection of a discussion with Jeff months ago and him saying something about the waveguides on the JBL's.... I am having fun. Today is for mastering. And maybe some writing later....
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:51:04 GMT -6
Wow Bill just Wow! You and Jeff did a beautiful job! Just one question, when can I move in? Thanks Eric. If you can be here by 3:00PM Pacific with all your stuff, you can move in. Otherwise, you'll have to wait, say....20 years?
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:54:31 GMT -6
Gorgeous. Are those custom cheeks on your artist mix? Or can you enlighten me on your source of rack mounting hardware for an artist mix? (pretty please) Yes those are. Actually, kind of. sterlingmodular.com has them. They're a touch pricey, but worth it IMO. The 19" rack is about 3-4" wider than the artist mix with the end cheeks taken off (necessary for mounting in the rack), and they had a black melamine spacer for one end to fill up the extra space. I thought "that's dumb, puts the work surface off to the side instead of in the middle". I was going to cut it in half to put on either side of the surface, then it hit me. I had all this knotty alder laying around, so I cut two pieces of the appropriate size and depth, and put them on either side of the Mix. Perfect. Small details..... <thumbsup>
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:56:00 GMT -6
Awesome, Bill! Man...I could use some windows. Sometimes I wonder if I would work more if I didn't feel like I was going to the "bunker." Thanks John. Yeah, windows were important to me. I've lived too many years in a bunker. This time I did it MY way as the song says. Jeff was awesome in figuring out a design that worked with them.
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 9:58:16 GMT -6
bass frequencies tend to pass through glass walls so the bass build up in the room should be less than a fully isolated space. one of the downsides of isolation is the need to treat the space. it's a guess on my part but the bigger issues would be reflections. some interesting data on glass windows and walls. www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/836Yes. Jeff could give all the scientific, mathematic and esoteric details...I just do what I'm told. Mostly. :-) The ARG panels mentioned in Don's post are designed to go over the windows. I'll have to dig out a picture. We're currently in phase 2 of design and build on those. Eventually they will replace the cylindrical diffusor that's in the middle window now.
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 10:00:32 GMT -6
drbill I do like the design with the windows. I also did want to have open windows but that did not work out in my room - the dimension are less then ideal. Tell us how did the RT work out in the final measurements at the listening position. Is it more on the super dry side 200 ms, or in between 200 and 400??? I need to have breaks, taking a walk outside because there is no daylight. Its a wise decision to have daylight in the studio. Thanks. Yes, the daylight was critical for me, and one reason I couldn't work with a lot of designers. Jeff was awesome though. I know I keep saying that,, but it's true. Without him, this wouldn't exist. The RT is about a third of a second - very equal across the freq spectrum. We are not done tweaking and measuring yet.
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 10:04:20 GMT -6
Wow. Impressive drbill! Looks amazing. Although I'm surprised in a room of that level to only see one set of monitors. Care to comment? As I mentioned earlier, I've mixed everything from live venues @ theme parks, to feature films, to IMAX movies, and of course music of all kinds and I don't know if I'm lucky or if the speakers are just that good. The JBL's just translate for me. I've had them for quite awhile and I suppose I've just adapted to them as well. I used to have 2-3 pairs of monitors with the requisite NS10's, but I grew to HATE them, and when I switched from Tannoy LGM's to Audix Niles, to the JBL's, I left the NS10's and auratones behind.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 17, 2016 10:05:53 GMT -6
Hey Bill, great looking room. This wall behind your "console" with all the panels, it looks like it's free standing, like a gobo, is that correct? Is there additional treatment behind that wall? Any pics out the windows to see the view?
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 10:25:39 GMT -6
Hey Bill, great looking room. This wall behind your "console" with all the panels, it looks like it's free standing, like a gobo, is that correct? Is there additional treatment behind that wall? Any pics out the windows to see the view? Thanks man. It's KIND of free standing....sorta. It's big, heavy, and solid enough that you could build onto it, but it's not "attached" to the wall or floor in a traditional sense. It's build out of milled 2X6" poplar. It's hung on the "actual" wall with sway braces, so basically hung with rubber insulation that detach it from the actual wall. There is room behind it to run wire (maybe 3+ inches), and space designed into the bottom to pass wire thru. the panels are not simple 703 or the like. They are membrane panels that essentially act like a HPF. They only soak up the very low freq's - unlike 703 which is more HF and Mid absorptive. The wall is essentially a "frame" to hold up the panels.
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 10:54:10 GMT -6
Will try to post up some of the requested pics later....
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Post by EmRR on May 17, 2016 11:02:29 GMT -6
Looks great. LSR28P's it appears, those rule. It will be a very bad day when mine die.
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2016 11:28:01 GMT -6
Looks great. LSR28P's it appears, those rule. It will be a very bad day when mine die. Thanks Doug. Yes - LSR28P's with LSR12 Subs - although they are not currently in the mix yet. I love em. Truth, and built like a tank. I have 8 of em, so not worried about them dying, but honestly, I don't think you could kill em if you tried. And JBL is great about the occasional refreshing. They always carry parts for decades.
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Post by EmRR on May 17, 2016 11:33:48 GMT -6
When I got mine, I had to order them 3 times from 3 places before a set arrived without damage. The boxes would be perfect, and the tweeters damaged from shipping/handling. Not a speaker I'd ever buy again unless I could audition, and carry away myself, no shipping. I take it you had better luck! Anyway, off topic, looks great.....
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