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Post by gouge on May 2, 2016 0:52:04 GMT -6
looking for a kick filter.
something I can dial down to 15-20hz and get more headroom into my mixes. the capi missing link looks to be the solution. wondering if there are any eq's out there that fit the bill.
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Post by Ward on May 2, 2016 6:18:27 GMT -6
looking for a kick filter.
something I can dial down to 15-20hz and get more headroom into my mixes. the capi missing link looks to be the solution. wondering if there are any eq's out there that fit the bill.
Broken record man, here again. IMHO, the best damned kick drum preamp (full channel Strip, designed by Sir Rupert) ever made is the Focusrite 220 which you can get for like $1000 or less used. And it has all the filters you need, full EQ, VCA Compressor AND VCA limiter. And everything works like a charm.
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Post by gouge on May 2, 2016 6:37:11 GMT -6
but then what would I do with the ma-5, the purple action the dbx160sl and the ghost channel eq..... :-)
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 2, 2016 6:40:23 GMT -6
but then what would I do with the ma-5, the purple action the dbx160sl and the ghost channel eq..... :-) Use it on a different source. Haha
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Post by tonycamphd on May 2, 2016 7:48:27 GMT -6
why so low? the harrison filters cut off at around 35hz(I think), second order, i always filter at the fundamental, if you're filtering off at 20hz? then your kick drum is 48" haha, i'd just resort to a fab filter linear phase to filter off that low, but watch careful for pre ringing artifacts!
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Post by Ward on May 2, 2016 8:06:19 GMT -6
why so low? the harrison filters cut off at around 35hz(I think), second order, i always filter at the fundamental, if you're filtering off at 20hz? then your kick drum is 48" haha, i'd just resort to a fab filter linear phase to filter off that low, but watch careful for pre ringing artifacts! Stop being so damned smart, you big know-it-all genius type.
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Post by gouge on May 2, 2016 8:06:38 GMT -6
I decided to start putting a spectrum analyser across my bottom end because it seemed muddy and I was looking to compare bass and kick. surprisingly that showed up a lot of detail under 20hz on the kick which was triggering the compressor.
I set up a linear eq itb and adjusted the roll off point. around 17-20hz was where I could tighten up the kick but still keep the power. I sat there switching the filter in and out and notice the comp compressing when the filter was out. end result my mix sounded much better. more powerfull, punchy and clear with the filter
I've got 50hz filters on everything but it's too high for kick in a rock mix.
whilst it's pretty easy to use a plug i'd can see the benefits wit the missing link. especially if I have 2 and use them for mastering.
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Post by Ward on May 2, 2016 8:29:37 GMT -6
I decided to start putting a spectrum analyser across my bottom end because it seemed muddy and I was looking to compare bass and kick. surprisingly that showed up a lot of detail under 20hz on the kick which was triggering the compressor. I set up a linear eq itb and adjusted the roll off point. around 17-20hz was where I could tighten up the kick but still keep the power. I sat there switching the filter in and out and notice the comp compressing when the filter was out. end result my mix sounded much better. more powerfull, punchy and clear with the filter I've got 50hz filters on everything but it's too high for kick in a rock mix. whilst it's pretty easy to use a plug i'd can see the benefits wit the missing link. especially if I have 2 and use them for mastering. Which spectrum analyzer(s) are you using gouge?
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Post by gouge on May 2, 2016 8:33:31 GMT -6
2 I used were blue cat's plug and the reaper REAfir.
now looking around for a hardware version.
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Post by ericn on May 2, 2016 9:11:31 GMT -6
I don't doubt that you need a filter Lower than most, but remember a 20hz filter isn't going to give you a lot of cut at 20hz.
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Post by drbill on May 2, 2016 9:25:07 GMT -6
LTL Chop Shop and Silver Bullet both have what you seek.
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Post by EmRR on May 2, 2016 9:37:05 GMT -6
why so low? the harrison filters cut off at around 35hz(I think), second order, i always filter at the fundamental, if you're filtering off at 20hz? then your kick drum is 48" Remember that's usually the specified -3dB point, so you might want it lower in some cases.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 2, 2016 10:04:17 GMT -6
After listening to some modern tracks, I'm beginning to think I've been a little roll happy. These are just approximations - different for every mix - but I find myself rolling off kick around 40, bass around 40-60...and taking the super sub out of some things.
One of the new CAPI EQ's - think Jeff is calling it the LC25? - goes down to 25Hz.
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Post by ericn on May 2, 2016 10:36:56 GMT -6
The ability to record and hear a clear low end is one of the biggest losses due to the decline of the traditional studio! I get back from Vegas and I'm asked to listen to a friend of a friend of a friend's album; bring it up on the Questeds and those 8's won't stop moving and it wasn't music! I keep saying anybody who is recording needs good filters before they hit the digital domain, and Brads Chop Shop is a pretty inexpensive solution! Sexy no, but man it's a great solution to a major problem! In the golden days of the SSL, and an area that sold many of the major consoles of that period were the variable filters right in front of you on everything! Remember all those 80's stories about somebody tracking at home with ADAT's and Mackie's ? It was those filters that made many of those tracks useable! I can't think of single ADAT track that was brought in that wasn't filtered before being reprinted!
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Post by tonycamphd on May 2, 2016 11:26:53 GMT -6
After listening to some modern tracks, I'm beginning to think I've been a little roll happy. These are just approximations - different for every mix - but I find myself rolling off kick around 40, bass around 40-60...and taking the super sub out of some things. One of the new CAPI EQ's - think Jeff is calling it the LC25? - goes down to 25Hz. low E on bass is 41Hz, depending on rate per octave, this^ seems a bit high JK, but if it's workin it's workin....
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Post by wiz on May 2, 2016 14:52:13 GMT -6
what about modding the HPF on your ghosts channel for the kick ..?
not to hard...
cheers
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 16:25:35 GMT -6
The Urei 565T has 20hz cut and below plus it looks really cool in the rack..
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Post by mdmitch2 on May 2, 2016 16:37:48 GMT -6
CAPI 553 EQ has a 30 hz filter with a 6/12 db switch. Or my LTL chop shop is for sale
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Post by spock on May 3, 2016 0:09:23 GMT -6
looking for a kick filter.
something I can dial down to 15-20hz and get more headroom into my mixes. the capi missing link looks to be the solution. wondering if there are any eq's out there that fit the bill.
The Chandler Limited EMI TG12345 Curve Bender EQ will do it. Of course, I'm biased, but it'll do it...
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Post by rowmat on May 3, 2016 2:42:36 GMT -6
The ability to record and hear a clear low end is one of the biggest losses due to the decline of the traditional studio! I get back from Vegas and I'm asked to listen to a friend of a friend of a friend's album; bring it up on the Questeds and those 8's won't stop moving and it wasn't music! I keep saying anybody who is recording needs good filters before they hit the digital domain, and Brads Chop Shop is a pretty inexpensive solution! Sexy no, but man it's a great solution to a major problem! In the golden days of the SSL, and an area that sold many of the major consoles of that period were the variable filters right in front of you on everything! Remember all those 80's stories about somebody tracking at home with ADAT's and Mackie's ? It was those filters that made many of those tracks useable! I can't think of single ADAT track that was brought in that wasn't filtered before being reprinted! Apart from kick and bass I typically high pass everything else between 40-80hz. Our soon to be installed Neotek Elite has variable high pass filters on every channel sweeping from 20hz to 375hz. It's currently being prepped for installation in late June. Looking forward to being able to manually dial in high pass rather than using a plugin.
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Post by keymod on May 3, 2016 3:33:59 GMT -6
The ability to record and hear a clear low end is one of the biggest losses due to the decline of the traditional studio! I get back from Vegas and I'm asked to listen to a friend of a friend of a friend's album; bring it up on the Questeds and those 8's won't stop moving and it wasn't music! I keep saying anybody who is recording needs good filters before they hit the digital domain, and Brads Chop Shop is a pretty inexpensive solution! Sexy no, but man it's a great solution to a major problem! In the golden days of the SSL, and an area that sold many of the major consoles of that period were the variable filters right in front of you on everything! Remember all those 80's stories about somebody tracking at home with ADAT's and Mackie's ? It was those filters that made many of those tracks useable! I can't think of single ADAT track that was brought in that wasn't filtered before being reprinted!
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Post by gouge on May 3, 2016 5:59:32 GMT -6
the chop shop does look like the business for kick....
was also thinking I should try the dakings during tracking. they have varible filters from 0 up. I remember reading Geoff daking saying he added them because digital recording grabbed everything.
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Post by Ward on May 3, 2016 8:32:18 GMT -6
To the poster's original thought... We could all save a lot of headroom by knowing the usable frequency range of every instrument and voice we record and HOF and LPF accordingly at the recording stage.
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Post by wiz on May 3, 2016 15:46:14 GMT -6
damn.. look at the pipe organ
cheers
Wiz
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Post by rowmat on May 3, 2016 16:08:44 GMT -6
damn.. look at the pipe organ cheers Wiz Client: "I wanna make a complaint about the mix of my pipe organ recital you sent me. How come I can't hear 16hz on my iPad?"
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