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Post by indiehouse on Apr 25, 2016 11:05:15 GMT -6
You think I can get a Distressor sound out of CAPI's FC526? Why on God's green earth would you want that? I'm not a big Distressor fan...but could you imagine how many he would sell in 500 form factor? They're all digital too, so there's no way he couldn't fit it in a 1 or 2 slot. Meh, just trying to wrap my head around things. I've never used a Distressor, but just curious to see if I could get similar sounds out of gear I already have. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 25, 2016 12:14:57 GMT -6
I actually think the 526s are fantastic replacements for Distressors. All the speed without the brashness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 17:47:52 GMT -6
Nope. Demo will be out next week I think... Last time I spent that kind of money on a plug it was for truly game changer stuff like Melodyne or Drumatom, there's no way in hell I'm buying a $349USD distressor plugin out of the gate to have it go on sale for a reasonable price in a few months. Not sure what he's smoking but the demand for another plugin is too elastic and if he did it at a more reasonable price he'd sell so many of them with no variable costs involved. I hate to tell a guy like Dave Derr how to do business but, yikes. |
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Post by donr on Apr 27, 2016 18:08:23 GMT -6
I wrote about it a bunch on the other purple site. Basically, I had one for years and hated it. It made everything sound like a tube screamer and smaller coming out then going in. I sent it to Jim Williams to mod. After that I love it. I even bought a second one and sent it to him. They have all the flexibility as before they just don't sound like trash anymore. The modded Distressor is one of my favorite mandolin compressors now. They also still sound great on drums and stuff. >It made everything sound like a tube screamer and smaller coming out then going in. Great description. What did Jim W. fix? |
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Post by dandeurloo on Apr 28, 2016 9:20:13 GMT -6
He did his classic stuff. Which is more open and clean. But is it still totally a Distressor just better. Maybe jimwilliams can comment on his mods. |
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Post by rob61 on Apr 28, 2016 10:19:29 GMT -6
I'm sure Derr is taking into consideration that the plug-in will most likely cut into his hardware sales when setting pricing. However, there are a myrid of plug in compressors out there today, many more than hardware compressors. Many of them are very good which will make the pricing on the Distressor plug-in a bit tough. I think ultimately he'll lower the price after the early sales start to level off.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 28, 2016 10:22:34 GMT -6
I beleive he mentioned iLock cost $50K, add development costs to that.
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Post by rob61 on Apr 28, 2016 10:38:01 GMT -6
He'll have to determine the price elasticity. His cost of copy protection is immaterial to the end user, they will only look at function vs price. With supply of good plug-in compressors exploding, with many very competent models sans copy protection in the $30-$50 area, he may find his plug-in a bit of a hard sell. I wish him the best, but what people are willing to pay for plug-ins has been going down while model supply goes up. Computer coded utilities offer the developer unlimited widget production supply.
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Post by ericn on Apr 29, 2016 1:29:43 GMT -6
He'll have to determine the price elasticity. His cost of copy protection is immaterial to the end user, they will only look at function vs price. With supply of good plug-in compressors exploding, with many very competent models sans copy protection in the $30-$50 area, he may find his plug-in a bit of a hard sell. I wish him the best, but what people are willing to pay for plug-ins has been going down while model supply goes up. Computer coded utilities offer the developer unlimited widget production supply. I agree except his says ELI and that will sell, plus his whole Brand is built on his dealers so he needs to support them! |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 29, 2016 3:16:56 GMT -6
Nope. Demo will be out next week I think... Last time I spent that kind of money on a plug it was for truly game changer stuff like Melodyne or Drumatom, there's no way in hell I'm buying a $349USD distressor plugin out of the gate to have it go on sale for a reasonable price in a few months. Not sure what he's smoking but the demand for another plugin is too elastic and if he did it at a more reasonable price he'd sell so many of them with no variable costs involved. I hate to tell a guy like Dave Derr how to do business but, yikes. sarcasm mode on. maybe its as magical, acurate etc. as all the other plug ins in the market? If the plug sounds always as good as the hardware .... it would be a business suicide decission. I am pretty sure its not the same, but pretty close.... And btw do I need another plug in? Noooooooooooooo! |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 14:52:31 GMT -6
Last time I spent that kind of money on a plug it was for truly game changer stuff like Melodyne or Drumatom, there's no way in hell I'm buying a $349USD distressor plugin out of the gate to have it go on sale for a reasonable price in a few months. Not sure what he's smoking but the demand for another plugin is too elastic and if he did it at a more reasonable price he'd sell so many of them with no variable costs involved. I hate to tell a guy like Dave Derr how to do business but, yikes. sarcasm mode on. maybe its as magical, acurate etc. as all the other plug ins in the market? If the plug sounds always as good as the hardware .... it would be a business suicide decission. I am pretty sure its not the same, but pretty close.... And btw do I need another plug in? Noooooooooooooo! I'm full into plugins, I love using them and I would for sure grab the Arouser but it's very expensive and at that price, I'd rather grab an FMR PBC6A for about the same money or the Opticom plugin from PA. I'm sure it will be great I'd just rather wait until November or whenever they put it on sale. |
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Post by mrholmes on May 5, 2016 19:16:30 GMT -6
sarcasm mode on. maybe its as magical, acurate etc. as all the other plug ins in the market? If the plug sounds always as good as the hardware .... it would be a business suicide decission. I am pretty sure its not the same, but pretty close.... And btw do I need another plug in? Noooooooooooooo! I'm full into plugins, I love using them and I would for sure grab the Arouser but it's very expensive and at that price, I'd rather grab an FMR PBC6A for about the same money or the Opticom plugin from PA. I'm sure it will be great I'd just rather wait until November or whenever they put it on sale. I do not know how you feel about it, but I feel overhelmed by tools, there are too many options. Thats why I love to reduce my plug in folder.... I just think I wont make anything better with another compressor....I like to have a few more hardware tools.... but thats just me... |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 21:55:56 GMT -6
I'm full into plugins, I love using them and I would for sure grab the Arouser but it's very expensive and at that price, I'd rather grab an FMR PBC6A for about the same money or the Opticom plugin from PA. I'm sure it will be great I'd just rather wait until November or whenever they put it on sale. I do not know how you feel about it, but I feel overhelmed by tools, there are too many options. Thats why I love to reduce my plug in folder.... I just think I wont make anything better with another compressor....I like to have a few more hardware tools.... but thats just me... Right there with you, the distressor was one of the last things I HAD to have. I use my hardware unit on snare, another for kick would be cool but I could also get along fine with a few different units as well. |
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Post by kilroyrock on May 6, 2016 5:47:58 GMT -6
I beleive he mentioned iLock cost $50K, add development costs to that. That's crazy. Spending 50k to get the ability to include an ilok license, so you've basically lost 50k before ever selling anything. I guess the assumption is he'd lose more than that if he didn't use an ilok licensing setup?
It begs the question - how many people would steal the plugin that would have bought it if they had no choice but to? That's a 350 dollar question.
I would guess it'd be more than 142.857 people.. What's the real scam here is Ilok charging 35 bucks to transfer a license, when they've already raked the company who issued the license over the coals for 50k, plus the 40 bucks for a 50 cent usb dongle!
Forgive me for derailing, I was just..wow.
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Post by mrholmes on May 6, 2016 7:06:08 GMT -6
I do not know how you feel about it, but I feel overhelmed by tools, there are too many options. Thats why I love to reduce my plug in folder.... I just think I wont make anything better with another compressor....I like to have a few more hardware tools.... but thats just me... Right there with you, the distressor was one of the last things I HAD to have. I use my hardware unit on snare, another for kick would be cool but I could also get along fine with a few different units as well. I am currently mixing Rock/Pop. For example I think I can live with two DBX B-Clones. two 1176, SSL G comp, ART Pro VLA2 (HW). In Software I use most often the Logic Stock Compressors FET mode / UAD 1176 / UAD LA2A / Klanghelm MJUC / Waves SSL E Channel comp. If I cant make it with those its not the tools its my chops. And currently I am learning a lot mixing real drums, its totally different and it takes time to make them sound good. It was not the first time, but its more seldom that I get real drums. And its fun to mix real drums. Loved it form the first Song on. If I now demo the Distressor-Plug-In it should be something I cant work without it??? |
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Post by henge on May 6, 2016 7:38:09 GMT -6
Right there with you, the distressor was one of the last things I HAD to have. I use my hardware unit on snare, another for kick would be cool but I could also get along fine with a few different units as well. I am currently mixing Rock/Pop. For example I think I can live with two DBX B-Clones. two 1176, SSL G comp, ART Pro VLA2 (HW). In Software I use most often the Logic Stock Compressors FET mode / UAD 1176 / UAD LA2A / Klanghelm MJUC / Waves SSL E Channel comp. If I cant make it with those its not the tools its my chops. And currently I am learning a lot mixing real drums, its totally different and it takes time to make them sound good. It was not the first time, but its more seldom that I get real drums. And its fun to mix real drums. Loved it form the first Song on. If I now demo the Distressor-Plug-In it should be something I cant work without it???Well I did two mixes yesterday with it and will do another mix today. It gets results very quickly and sounds fantatstic imo...and I never like Distressors to begin with!! The Arouser doesn't kill the low end like a Distressor it seems. Same flavour with different spices... |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 16:44:30 GMT -6
Right there with you, the distressor was one of the last things I HAD to have. I use my hardware unit on snare, another for kick would be cool but I could also get along fine with a few different units as well. I am currently mixing Rock/Pop. For example I think I can live with two DBX B-Clones. two 1176, SSL G comp, ART Pro VLA2 (HW). In Software I use most often the Logic Stock Compressors FET mode / UAD 1176 / UAD LA2A / Klanghelm MJUC / Waves SSL E Channel comp. If I cant make it with those its not the tools its my chops. And currently I am learning a lot mixing real drums, its totally different and it takes time to make them sound good. It was not the first time, but its more seldom that I get real drums. And its fun to mix real drums. Loved it form the first Song on. If I now demo the Distressor-Plug-In it should be something I cant work without it???I'm doing stuff similar to that as well, mixing real drums is the only way to go. I can't get along with midi drums or anything like that. Hardware wise you have about what I have, this is my mix from today. I have an RJR Bus Compressor on the end of my Rascal Audio Tonebuss. Bass has a Stam SA2A between the D/A and the summer and the hardware distressor is on my snare. The rest is all SSL Channel, Slate VCC/VTM and the Waves CLA Classic Compressors. I'm still waiting on the Stam SSL Compressor for my drum bus but on this mix it's the plugin. www.dropbox.com/s/n83bnwozynl96xg/Walk%20Away.mp3?dl=0 |
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