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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 25, 2016 10:30:12 GMT -6
From RT Xpert's today:
Pro Tools 12.5 Cloud Collaboration - How Much Does It Cost? Pro Tools 12.5 Coloud Collaboration Pricing Avid, the makers of Pro Tools, have published the cost for Pro Tools 12.5 cloud collaboration.
All customers with a perpetual Pro Tools 12 license who have an active Annual Upgrade and Support Plan and all customers on a current subscription plan can access the download to install Pro Tools 12.5 when it is released.
Pro Tools 12.5 Cloud Collaboration Pricing Pricing plans are as follows;
A free plan that offers 3 projects that you own and 500MB of total storage on the Avid Cloud servers and each project can have 2 collaborators.
We will have some more in depth features on the new Avid Pro Tools 12.5 Cloud Collaboration but a Pro Tools Project is basically a Pro Tools Session that is in the Cloud (and a local cache on your system) enabling collaboration. Storage refers to any files you and your collaborators upload. If you are not the owner and just a Collaborator on a friend’s Project, that Project doesn’t count against your total storage (it counts against theirs).
Once a Pro Tools Project is complete you can then delete it and regain the storage, so savvy users may be able to work on the free plan. We'll be showing you some tips for how to do this in the coming weeks.
Next pricing is a $9.99 a month plan where you can get up to 5 Projects and 20GB of space.
The top level plan is up to 60GB of storage and up to 10 Projects for only $24.99 per month.
A Note About Storage In Pro Tools 12.5 Cloud Projects 500MB may seem small, but Pro Tools 12.5 uses a lossless compression scheme for the audio to upload to the cloud and gives you a data compression ratio of up to 3 times. This means an average session should take up less than the 500mb available in the free plan.
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Post by ericn on Mar 25, 2016 12:16:20 GMT -6
Why limit the NUMBER of projects as well as the space? Leave it to Avid to make it more complicated than necessary. You know how they say every cloud has a silver lining? Well you just found the Avids silver lining in the cloud, your 10 pieces of silver!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 25, 2016 12:18:00 GMT -6
Don't disagree but with the free plan you can cycle projects in and out to stay below the threshold and its has a lossless form of compression to maximize storage.
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Post by ericn on Mar 25, 2016 12:45:49 GMT -6
Here is the thing that scares me About the cloud and Avid. Avid has done very well at the top end of biz, they are going to show us all how the next big movie and Album were all done through this cloud based collaboration. Now think about this, Early leaks and raw content is big buisness AVID IS GOING TO PUT OUT A BIG FAT SIGN THAT SAYS HACK US YOU CAN MAKE A FORTUNE!! It's like these hospitals that are getting hit with ransome where, here is all your private data, data that in the U.S. has more explicit privacy standards than anything else in the cloud for your convince! It's like saying here's the gold right here . Somebody is going to have the skill and the time So here's where they need to dig!
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 25, 2016 14:20:37 GMT -6
Idiots should have offered a free 6 months to work out bugs(which they will surely have), and for all the BS they put everyone through, but alas no, milk and anger on the horizon.... Yet again
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Post by ericn on Mar 25, 2016 14:38:16 GMT -6
Avid is like yahoo, a company with some good assets chasing the masses. The last 2 confrence calls about Avid, all I heard about was how big the entry level market is, how much potential in moving customers up market and after purchase revenue streams. Me the only guy on these calls who had any direct sales with this market segment ( I asked? ) Kept hearing how huge this market is kept explaining but it isn't, the cost of Custemer acquisition was to high and it was the one segment where feature comparison is important ! Trying to explain Garage band is free .. kept hearing I didn't understNd the market, by guys who never sold to the market? ? That's the world of Avid and who's telling them what to do!
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Post by rowmat on Mar 25, 2016 14:59:16 GMT -6
I think we know how all this is going to pan out down the track. A large corporate entity holding other people's art for ransom. Monthly fees will start out low. You will be encouraged to put everything you own into their cloud including your first born. Once you are locked in well and good the fine print will change. The fees will begin to rise. You will then discover that they now have certain rights over your work that they can exploit for their profit. You decide you want to get out but you didn't read the termination clause... Oh dear!
Good luck with that then. We threw ProTools out with the trash two years ago. Glad we did. We now use Reaper.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 25, 2016 15:32:13 GMT -6
I paid the $99 vanilla upgrade last december to get 12.4 and another year of updates. Funnily enough I then bought Logic for $200 and haven't used PT since
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Post by ericn on Mar 25, 2016 15:34:59 GMT -6
Idiots should have offered a free 6 months to work out bugs(which they will surely have), and for all the BS they put everyone through, but alas no, milk and anger on the horizon.... Yet again If they weren't so Avid-y they would have included the mid-level tier (or is that spelled tear ) for HD users... you know, throw us a bone for paying $299 MORE per year than the regular PT users who've been given almost all of the features of HD for less money (for the record I'll state again I think there should only be one version) Don't get me wrong, I love PT and 12 is great and I plan to use it for years to come... just don't plan to spend another penny ( will re-evaluate when they go bankrupt and sell off Pro Tools) Going to spend my $399 upgrade fee towards a COMP-3A or a Stam Buss comp instead! they got you by the throat!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 25, 2016 15:51:20 GMT -6
Sorry, rowmat, had to make an avatar for you...
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Post by rowmat on Mar 26, 2016 2:46:23 GMT -6
Sorry, rowmat , had to make an avatar for you... The "Welcome Mat" I think I get, the boat paddle however has got me a bit perplexed. I'm guessing there's a message in there somewhere?
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Post by M57 on Mar 26, 2016 4:07:35 GMT -6
Sorry, rowmat , had to make an avatar for you... The "Welcome Mat" I think I get, the boat paddle however has got me a bit perplexed. I'm guessing there's a message in there somewhere? It's simpler than that. The paddle is for 'rowing.'
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Post by rowmat on Mar 26, 2016 4:21:21 GMT -6
The "Welcome Mat" I think I get, the boat paddle however has got me a bit perplexed. I'm guessing there's a message in there somewhere? It's simpler than that. The paddle is for 'rowing.'
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 26, 2016 5:31:35 GMT -6
ah, perhaps canoeing ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 26, 2016 7:31:30 GMT -6
It's an oar. Row-mat
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Post by rowmat on Mar 26, 2016 7:39:10 GMT -6
The penny dropped...
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Post by ericn on Mar 26, 2016 14:46:12 GMT -6
Should have photo shopped Matt Leblanc being beaten over the head with a Paddel or Row- ling pin!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 27, 2016 6:08:43 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 27, 2016 14:32:19 GMT -6
Not certain I get your last post depending on when you upgraded 12 fixed 11's bugs, added new features and has fixed bugs in 12, now you get 12.5 and whatever else gets released up till the end of your 12 month period.
In my case for $99 bucks: seems like good value to me?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 27, 2016 15:59:40 GMT -6
When I've sent stuff out for overdubs I typically just send a monitor mix so a 500 mb. limit isn't much of a limitation.
In the webcast they said the limit only applies to projects you own and not to the size of other people's projects you are contributing to. I'm not sure this is going to be the financial panacea the suits see but hopefully their focus can now return to bug fixes.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 27, 2016 18:11:17 GMT -6
Yeah - I was shocked to see this was a pay for play "feature". I thought it was part of what we paid for. I won't really use it that much, so I haven't really researched. But isn't Cubases similar feature totally free?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 27, 2016 18:18:44 GMT -6
But they have a free account and you get 12.5 at no cost. i understand a heavy user will not want to manage their data but for a singer songwriter like me the free account should work fine ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 27, 2016 19:15:21 GMT -6
Not certain I get your last post depending on when you upgraded 12 fixed 11's bugs, added new features and has fixed bugs in 12, now you get 12.5 and whatever else gets released up till the end of your 12 month period. In my case for $99 bucks: seems like good value to me? I think what superwack is saying is that from 12.4 to 12.5, the only difference is the addition of the cloud stuff, which Avid is essentially charging for.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 27, 2016 19:36:19 GMT -6
Ya, fair enough Avid being avid guess they would argue we get the feature and are only charged for use past a free threshold. PT xperts had some analysis of avid's recent Financials and I believe they are forcasting significant revenue growth ? We'll see
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Post by ericn on Mar 27, 2016 19:54:19 GMT -6
The specific lack of any information of what Avids venture in to the clouds would cost us as Avid sold us on the fact that these features were why we should buy 12 and continue are support plans so we could continue to reap the benefits of these features that Avid has been baiting us with for what it seams like years, has a certain smell. We should have known better, but they kept selling us and selling us.
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