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Post by svart on Apr 29, 2019 6:32:51 GMT -6
The A versions don't have the humbucking coil as far as I can tell. The A capsule module looks like it's a lot easier(read: cheaper) to produce. Also, the non-A has a machined metal capsule cover, where the A version has the traditional formed-screen cover, so it's likely a lot cheaper to produce as well. The original was made for snare drum duties, as it's first priority/objective! Very good on nasally vocals for live applications also So I tried it out.. It sits firmly between a SM57 and a Beta57A in sound, and is definitely one of the shure family in terms of tone. A bit more lively in the upper mids than a sm57, but not nearly as bright as a beta57. But alas, that lively upper mid sounds strange and doesn't sit very nice in the mix and needs copious EQ to tame the honk. I'd still pick an SM57 over it I think, and it doesn't hold a candle to the ATM63HE or even an I5.
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Post by ericn on Apr 29, 2019 6:46:40 GMT -6
The original was made for snare drum duties, as it's first priority/objective! Very good on nasally vocals for live applications also So I tried it out.. It sits firmly between a SM57 and a Beta57A in sound, and is definitely one of the shure family in terms of tone. A bit more lively in the upper mids than a sm57, but not nearly as bright as a beta57. But alas, that lively upper mid sounds strange and doesn't sit very nice in the mix and needs copious EQ to tame the honk. I'd still pick an SM57 over it I think, and it doesn't hold a candle to the ATM63HE or even an I5. While I agree, remember the Beta line was aimed at live and pretty much the set it and forget it crowd where “ sit in the mix” is less important than “ cut through “ even in the entry level recording this is more important and even at upper levels somebody’s secret weapon is all about how simple it is to stand out. There are a ton of mics I would probably pick a tone of mics before either beta, but I’ll take an original over a “A” any day and I’ll admit to getting pretty good results with them when they were all I was given.
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Post by svart on Apr 29, 2019 7:06:52 GMT -6
So I tried it out.. It sits firmly between a SM57 and a Beta57A in sound, and is definitely one of the shure family in terms of tone. A bit more lively in the upper mids than a sm57, but not nearly as bright as a beta57. But alas, that lively upper mid sounds strange and doesn't sit very nice in the mix and needs copious EQ to tame the honk. I'd still pick an SM57 over it I think, and it doesn't hold a candle to the ATM63HE or even an I5. While I agree, remember the Beta line was aimed at live and pretty much the set it and forget it crowd where “ sit in the mix” is less important than “ cut through “ even in the entry level recording this is more important and even at upper levels somebody’s secret weapon is all about how simple it is to stand out. There are a ton of mics I would probably pick a tone of mics before either beta, but I’ll take an original over a “A” any day and I’ll admit to getting pretty good results with them when they were all I was given. Well to that, I think the 57A "sounds better" and would cut through a lot more than the non-A without a lot of work, but in the same regard, the bleed that the 57A picks up is ridiculous in comparison. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too. I think the off-axis of the ATM63HE and I5 are much better in terms of tone and bleed. I know it's been done to death but maybe I'll do a mic comparison in a thread and have folks vote on them.
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Post by Ward on Apr 29, 2019 8:21:32 GMT -6
While I agree, remember the Beta line was aimed at live and pretty much the set it and forget it crowd where “ sit in the mix” is less important than “ cut through “ even in the entry level recording this is more important and even at upper levels somebody’s secret weapon is all about how simple it is to stand out. There are a ton of mics I would probably pick a tone of mics before either beta, but I’ll take an original over a “A” any day and I’ll admit to getting pretty good results with them when they were all I was given. Well to that, I think the 57A "sounds better" and would cut through a lot more than the non-A without a lot of work, but in the same regard, the bleed that the 57A picks up is ridiculous in comparison. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too. I think the off-axis of the ATM63HE and I5 are much better in terms of tone and bleed. I know it's been done to death but maybe I'll do a mic comparison in a thread and have folks vote on them. And still not one of the 535/57 family comes close to the Telefunken M80 for snare.
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Post by svart on Apr 29, 2019 8:26:55 GMT -6
Well to that, I think the 57A "sounds better" and would cut through a lot more than the non-A without a lot of work, but in the same regard, the bleed that the 57A picks up is ridiculous in comparison. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too. I think the off-axis of the ATM63HE and I5 are much better in terms of tone and bleed. I know it's been done to death but maybe I'll do a mic comparison in a thread and have folks vote on them. And still not one of the 535/57 family comes close to the Telefunken M80 for snare. I bought a M80.. Used it for a while, never found it to have any magically different abilities on snare, and sold it for a profit. Still think the ATM63HE bests them all so far.
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 29, 2019 8:52:34 GMT -6
And still not one of the 535/57 family comes close to the Telefunken M80 for snare. I bought a M80.. Used it for a while, never found it to have any magically different abilities on snare, and sold it for a profit. Still think the ATM63HE bests them all so far. Have you tried removing the transformer on a 57? I found it helped tame a lot of HH harshness/bleed. Much better than I stock 57 imho but with a little less upper mid snap, which you may or may not like. FWIW I sold all my 57s when I got a m201...that mic kills in every application you’d want a 57.
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Post by sean on Apr 29, 2019 9:00:44 GMT -6
Got some LA era Camco shells (22x14, 12x8, 13x9) for $100. Bit rough (rewrapped in faux wood, painted black interior, some edge damage) but I’ll bring them back to life!
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Post by svart on Apr 29, 2019 9:02:05 GMT -6
I bought a M80.. Used it for a while, never found it to have any magically different abilities on snare, and sold it for a profit. Still think the ATM63HE bests them all so far. Have you tried removing the transformer on a 57? I found it helped tame a lot of HH harshness/bleed. Much better than I stock 57 imho but with a little less upper mid snap, which you may or may not like. FWIW I sold all my 57s when I got a m201...that mic kills in every application you’d want a 57. I had a M201 for years too, but something never worked out with it, I think it was the off-axis bleed was crazy or something. Sold it for a profit as well. I had 2 transformerless SM57's and ended up putting the transformers back in after a while. I guess I'm as guilty in tone chasing as anyone else.
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Post by Ward on Apr 29, 2019 10:02:48 GMT -6
And still not one of the 535/57 family comes close to the Telefunken M80 for snare. I bought a M80.. Used it for a while, never found it to have any magically different abilities on snare, and sold it for a profit. Still think the ATM63HE bests them all so far. I'll try one!!
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 29, 2019 10:31:01 GMT -6
WOO! Bought a IGS Tubecore for a great deal on Reverb. Pretty excited to get it. Will be a nice piece for my mastering setup. Just need a Silver Bullet and I'll have pretty much all the analog gear I wanted for mastering. Comes with a pair of 6386 tubs in it and a few others to try. Which also is worth noting I purchased a bunch of stuff from DIY Racked for mastering too: DIY Racked MB2, Stereo VCA bus compressor Im going to modded to all stepped controls, has built in parallel so should be great DIY Racked MQ5, Sontec 5 band parametric EQ. Gonna be an expensive build, a lot of Elma switches..but should be nice. DIY Racked BX2, Baxanhall EQ stereo, all stepped. With the silver bullet added, should be a great mastering setup/master chain for mixing. Now I can go back to getting mixing gear to build my 500 series "console".
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Post by moze on Apr 29, 2019 12:44:01 GMT -6
Picked up a Bricasti M7 a Manley Vari-Mu and an AKG D19. Oh and I finally posted something after lurking around here like a deadbeat.
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Post by ericn on Apr 29, 2019 13:03:38 GMT -6
Picked up a Bricasti M7 a Manley Vari-Mu and an AKG D19. Oh and I finally posted something after lurking around here like a deadbeat. Welcome & nice shopping spree!
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 29, 2019 13:30:27 GMT -6
m7s! hell yeah.
I'll probably have to buy my own in the coming years.
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Post by moze on Apr 29, 2019 13:37:10 GMT -6
m7s! hell yeah. I'll probably have to buy my own in the coming years. They really are quite nice. The only problem is that one isn't enough.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 29, 2019 13:40:05 GMT -6
m7s! hell yeah. I'll probably have to buy my own in the coming years. They really are quite nice. The only problem is that one isn't enough. Oh i know. I use 3 of them at work every day. Love them. Just building my own home system. Which means I'll want my own one day. So I'll have to swallow that price tag!
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Post by Guitar on Apr 29, 2019 14:07:59 GMT -6
Do any Bricasti owners/users use the Exponential Audio stuff? Care to briefly give a comparison?
I'm shopping for reverb I wonder how close a good plugin can get, not to start a whole topic, I've just heard this comparison before.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 29, 2019 14:20:31 GMT -6
Do any Bricasti owners/users use the Exponential Audio stuff? Care to briefly give a comparison? I'm shopping for reverb I wonder how close a good plugin can get, not to start a whole topic, I've just heard this comparison before. I have some of their stuff. Phoenix verb and Stratus3D. I still like the m7s better. Better tails that sound more natural to me. Plus no load on the computer to run reverb which is nice too.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 29, 2019 14:31:13 GMT -6
Do any Bricasti owners/users use the Exponential Audio stuff? Care to briefly give a comparison? I'm shopping for reverb I wonder how close a good plugin can get, not to start a whole topic, I've just heard this comparison before. I have some of their stuff. Phoenix verb and Stratus3D. I still like the m7s better. Better tails that sound more natural to me. Plus no load on the computer to run reverb which is nice too. Yeah I have swallowed the kool aid, I saw some bricasti demos that "blew my hair back" and I fully understand the price now, and the amount sold. just based on casual listening. I'll probably pick up the exponential plugins anyway, since CPU World is where I'm at right now.
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Post by drbill on Apr 29, 2019 14:31:15 GMT -6
I'm in the process of taking my hybrid mixing setup up a notch.....or three. Completely re-wiring my whole desk to accommodate the new stuff.... These arrived today. Another piece of the puzzle arriving later this week from Locomotive. Things are gonna get even BETTER!!
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Post by swafford on Apr 29, 2019 14:39:52 GMT -6
Yeah I have swallowed the kool aid, I saw some bricasti demos that "blew my hair back" and I fully understand the price now, and the amount sold. just based on casual listening. I'll probably pick up the exponential plugins anyway, since CPU World is where I'm at right now. FYI: I use Nimbus and R4 and typically have 4 reverb aux's (or 3 verbs and a delay) running on a 2012 mini and don't have a CPU problem.
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Post by swafford on Apr 29, 2019 14:43:16 GMT -6
So I’ve been playing with my new DBC-20 comp for about 2 days now and holy shit I love this thing. Elegent comes to mind, and super easy to dial in a good sound. Almost everything I ran through it sounded better. It’s got a subtle but meaningful color to it if that makes sense. I feel like people should be talking about this piece more. I scored a used one (in amazing condition) for $1100 on reverb and feel like I just won the lottery. I love mine. I have yet to succeed in making it sound bad and I'm currently slamming it pretty good on OHs. That's what I paid for mine, definitely a great deal - right up there with with the RNP 5043 in the bang for buck department. ETA: not sure how I got kicked back 3 weeks in the thread.
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Post by swafford on Apr 29, 2019 14:50:59 GMT -6
Another piece of the puzzle arriving later this week from Locomotive. Things are gonna get even BETTER!! Mmmm...do tell! I've bought used Locomotive 286A off Reverb a couple times and both times the sellers backed out. The comp is very intriguing.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 29, 2019 15:18:44 GMT -6
I have some of their stuff. Phoenix verb and Stratus3D. I still like the m7s better. Better tails that sound more natural to me. Plus no load on the computer to run reverb which is nice too. Yeah I have swallowed the kool aid, I saw some bricasti demos that "blew my hair back" and I fully understand the price now, and the amount sold. just based on casual listening. I'll probably pick up the exponential plugins anyway, since CPU World is where I'm at right now. They are amazing. Only thing better is a real EMT140 for me haha And not likely I'll own one of those in my life. I'm in the process of taking my hybrid mixing setup up a notch.....or three. Completely re-wiring my whole desk to accommodate the new stuff.... These arrived today. Another piece of the puzzle arriving later this week from Locomotive. Things are gonna get even BETTER!! wowza thats a lot of new gear.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 29, 2019 15:20:15 GMT -6
So I’ve been playing with my new DBC-20 comp for about 2 days now and holy shit I love this thing. Elegent comes to mind, and super easy to dial in a good sound. Almost everything I ran through it sounded better. It’s got a subtle but meaningful color to it if that makes sense. I feel like people should be talking about this piece more. I scored a used one (in amazing condition) for $1100 on reverb and feel like I just won the lottery. I love mine. I have yet to succeed in making it sound bad and I'm currently slamming it pretty good on OHs. That's what I paid for mine, definitely a great deal - right up there with with the RNP 5043 in the bang for buck department. ETA: not sure how I got kicked back 3 weeks in the thread. I keep wanting to try this out every time I see a used one pop up. I have the SOC-20 and it rules. I've passed on the DBC a number of times, only because I'm trying to curb my gear spending. But who am I kidding?
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Post by swafford on Apr 29, 2019 16:20:11 GMT -6
I love mine. I have yet to succeed in making it sound bad and I'm currently slamming it pretty good on OHs. That's what I paid for mine, definitely a great deal - right up there with with the RNP 5043 in the bang for buck department. ETA: not sure how I got kicked back 3 weeks in the thread. I keep wanting to try this out every time I see a used one pop up. I have the SOC-20 and it rules. I've passed on the DBC a number of times, only because I'm trying to curb my gear spending. But who am I kidding? It's a great comp, sort FET quickness meets the ease of an opto with added benefit of some nice heft. The Buzz designer seems to have a modern grasp of classic design. Sort of like the guy from Pendulum.
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