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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2013 11:40:36 GMT -6
Just following along on Mac Rumors...It's a freaking monster
Starts at $2999...Ouch...Of course, you would be set for 8 years...
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Post by joey808 on Oct 22, 2013 12:45:06 GMT -6
4k for a 6 core!
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Post by Ward on Oct 22, 2013 14:55:33 GMT -6
Still waiting for AVID and others to weigh in on this and I haven't seen enough info yet on how audio systems would cooperate (not connect or be compatible with) with the new Mac Pro. It looks really cool, but how much more gear will I need and how much cabling and if it's all over wires, what are the tolerances for cable runs etc.
Any info you guys have will be gratefully received.
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Post by mberry593 on Oct 22, 2013 15:02:07 GMT -6
I understand that you can't easily open it up. That's a big problem for Pro Tools pcie HD & HDX cards....limits you to Thunderbolt. Also UAD dsp cards couldn't be installed, limiting you to Apollo.
.........also for me, I would rather have a rackmount form factor.
YMMV.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 22, 2013 17:49:45 GMT -6
My little 2013 Mac mini gets me where I need to go without even breaking a sweat. But I could see getting this in a couple of years.
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Post by levon on Oct 22, 2013 23:40:26 GMT -6
It looks pretty cool, Apple's design is slick and elegant as always. I'm worried about the extension possibilities though, as mberry says, for studio needs, it must accept PCIe cards. I'm still happy with my 2011 MacPro, it hasn't reached its limits yet. I guess I'll stick to it a while longer.
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Post by popmann on Oct 24, 2013 10:34:16 GMT -6
Those days are over. Switch to Windows or Thunderbolt.
PostPC era.
Why do you think I"m so actively working to move everything ITB? There's been no new hardware solution for a decade, and the consumers are ceasing to buy (traditional) computers, as predicted. All phones and mobile and little touch iSurfaceDroid units. Intel has stopped making anything particularly faster. It's going smaller and more battery efficient. Anyway-this MacPro is a nudge in the direction--"get everything out of our box". You can put a Thunderbolt port on a phone. Hint, hint. Point being, at every turn, software has fought hardware integration. The number that it still doesn't work right outnumber those where it does. After fighting the good fight for a long time--I give. I see where this is going, and I don't have the power to fight it. Life will be easier when the host software actually hosts all the processing.
Anyway-Windows will stick around the longest due to business support. Likely why so many are building Hackintoshes now. They don't fight it because they no longer WANT that market. I personally don't care what OS I run. I have 4 Macs and 2 PCs. Both the PCs are studio machines. It's too expensive for me. Not just the computer--all the software upgrade fees to be compatible with the latest OSX (I can still run NI's original B4 in Win7x64)...switching to a TB or FW(over TB) IO box (and finding ones without preamps)...external HDs....it's just a big PIA I don't want to deal with. Windows, at some point, I had to buy a new USB MIDI interface when there were no 64bit parallel port MTPav drivers. But, mostly, they do a LOT better job of backward compatibility.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 11:14:37 GMT -6
Ya... the new mac pro is a real breakthrough, alright...  |
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Post by henge on Oct 24, 2013 11:22:17 GMT -6
Ya... the new mac pro is a real breakthrough, alright... Man that's funny!! LOL. Being in the windows camp it's always amusing to see the upgrade headache Mac guys have... They are very cool looking computers though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 11:23:43 GMT -6
I am a mac guy guy... don't get me wrong. I want a 2RU mac with multiple drive.  |
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Post by henge on Oct 24, 2013 14:38:27 GMT -6
I am a mac guy guy... don't get me wrong. I want a 2RU mac with multiple drive. No doubt that would be nice! ;-) |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2013 15:44:24 GMT -6
It always amuses me that Windows guys are on Windows...
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Post by popmann on Oct 24, 2013 16:54:11 GMT -6
It amuses ME that I have to be. ...that pic above just gave me a great business idea, though--someone should cook up a 2U rack unit with removable drive bays, a DVDR, and a Thunderbolt hub (which breaks out into USB/FW/DVI-maybe eSata for the drives,etc). Convert your new Mac Pro into one useable for music production-just add audio interface! Which, to be fair, I see a Duet hanging off it in the pic, which would've had to hang outside in the 2012 pic, too. Which should also be titled 2010. Maybe 2009. Those are pretty old machines now. |
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Post by popmann on Oct 24, 2013 17:02:20 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 17:12:38 GMT -6
As much as I love digital recording, I hate the way things phase out. I'm still running a 32bit machine, recording 24bit 44.1khz, Windows Vista... it might even be the worst computer in the room if we all met up. The thing doesn't even have expansion slots (wish I had them).
If it's working leave it alone. I probably should upgrade mine though.
I do get a chuckle though when clients tell me Macs sound better.
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Post by mobeach on Oct 24, 2013 17:39:06 GMT -6
I had a Windows XP audio PC that lasted 8 years. For 3K I could have had 5 of them built |
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Post by henge on Oct 24, 2013 17:39:55 GMT -6
It always amuses me that Windows guys are on Windows... LOL! The whole bloody mess is amusing!! |
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Post by mobeach on Oct 24, 2013 19:02:28 GMT -6
What I say is, use whatever suits your fancy! What's best for you is the best product.
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Post by jazznoise on Oct 24, 2013 19:11:33 GMT -6
I'm still using Windows XP SP 3. Built this computer 5 years ago for about 400 euro. Hard to imagine ever buying a Mac.
That said as time goes on I might switch to 7, might switch to Linux. Reaper supports both and anything besides audio is an unproductive distraction.
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Post by popmann on Oct 24, 2013 19:44:14 GMT -6
Amen. That, combine with the maturity of the DAW scene had me (ironically) contemplating building a new machine before A)Win7 won't support new hardware or B)I have to upgrade my Cubase 6 to work and deal with whatever they've changed (or broken) to cater to the MIDI crowd...while I still have I believe a transferable Win7x64 license...anyway-thought being since Cubase's IO compensation is tight as hell, I'd just build a PCIe box with 32x32 AES, and just buy converters as need for more external gear expands.
Since I'm currently doing 88.2 without a hitch on my 5+ year old Core2Quad (with external reverbs)...I figure a new build with an SSD audio drive and a hexcore i7 should twiddle it's thumbs whilst doing it ith a smaller buffer--and maybe allow me to move the reverb ITB, should I actually find suitable plug ins. Rack it up...not to be all macabre, but why would I ever need another recorder? Even underclock it to go completely fanless and suck less electricity (being the green mofo I am)...what is the most power I can get completely silent? You know?
Long way to say...if I were a Mac DAW user (I AM a Mac user)...I'd be perfectly happy with a 2010 12core with SSDs. Buy some PCIe AES cards. Done.
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Post by mobeach on Oct 25, 2013 4:38:14 GMT -6
I'm still using Windows XP SP 3. Built this computer 5 years ago for about 400 euro. Hard to imagine ever buying a Mac. That said as time goes on I might switch to 7, might switch to Linux. Reaper supports both and anything besides audio is an unproductive distraction. Reaper runs well on Windows 8 64 bit. |
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Post by jazznoise on Oct 25, 2013 4:43:48 GMT -6
Reaper runs well on Windows 8 64 bit.  My rule for an OS is that it can't take up the PC's resources with unnecessary..err, crap. Nagware specifically. Windows Vista and 8 both break that rule by a long shot. While I'm currently doing 32 bit with 64 bit bridging, the next OS needs to take up about the same resources as XP or I'd consider it a performance downgrade. That and those god damned permissions windows... |
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Post by henge on Oct 25, 2013 7:32:54 GMT -6
Reaper runs well on Windows 8 64 bit. My rule for an OS is that it can't take up the PC's resources with unnecessary..err, crap. Nagware specifically. Windows Vista and 8 both break that rule by a long shot. While I'm currently doing 32 bit with 64 bit bridging, the next OS needs to take up about the same resources as XP or I'd consider it a performance downgrade. That and those god damned permissions windows... How about rolling back to win 7. Nice and solid and not allot of bloat... |
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Post by mobeach on Oct 25, 2013 9:57:40 GMT -6
8 is basically 7 on mine because I don't have the touch screen, I have a decent intel processor and lots of RAM so there's no issues. I just need a good interface.
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Post by henge on Oct 25, 2013 10:45:16 GMT -6
8 is basically 7 on mine because I don't have the touch screen, I have a decent intel processor and lots of RAM so there's no issues. I just need a good interface. What's your interface? |
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