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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2016 11:33:32 GMT -6
Is there any way I could do this without buying an interface with more I/O? I don't have any digital connections left on my Apollo. Adat out goes to hp cue system, spdif out goes to Dbox. All 8 analog outs go to the summing of the dbox. So I don't have any outs left to dedicate to my outboard. Is there any way to aggregate another cheap interface as an aggregate device and use it for more outs? I guess it would go through that conversion though. Sigh. Guess I just need to go with the Apollo 16.
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Post by ericn on Feb 21, 2016 12:46:10 GMT -6
Is there any way I could do this without buying an interface with more I/O? I don't have any digital connections left on my Apollo. Adat out goes to hp cue system, spdif out goes to Dbox. All 8 analog outs go to the summing of the dbox. So I don't have any outs left to dedicate to my outboard. Is there any way to aggregate another cheap interface as an aggregate device and use it for more outs? I guess it would go through that conversion though. Sigh. Guess I just need to go with the Apollo 16. Buy the 16 and a bigger patchbay, so you not only have more I/O but you can reconfigure easily when you need to. But my rule is if you think you need 16 I/O , you really should buy 24!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2016 13:54:57 GMT -6
Could I buy a cheap Scarlett or something with more I/O and use it as an aggregate device? If so, wouldn't I still have to connect it digitally to the Apollo? If so, I don't have any more Digital connections available.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 21, 2016 14:01:51 GMT -6
Could I buy a cheap Scarlett or something with more I/O and use it as an aggregate device? If so, wouldn't I still have to connect it digitally to the Apollo? If so, I don't have any more Digital connections available. I have a Scarlett and it's wonky when I try to use it as an aggregate with my Tascam UH-7000. Not all on the ins and outs show up correctly in PT...like SPDIF L, but not R, etc.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2016 18:11:00 GMT -6
Dangit.
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Post by wiz on Feb 21, 2016 18:12:01 GMT -6
how about, running the adat outs.. to a patch bay.. and patching them to headphones, when tracking and outboard when mixing?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2016 18:20:56 GMT -6
I would need a DA to convert the ADAT, tho, right?
The D-box has an "Analog" button which is for the monitor outs of the Apollo - to be able to compare the DA of the Apollo to the DA of the D-box. I was thinking I could use those Monitor outs as another out...but then I don't think so - that's the stereo out for everything. There might be a way I could route just a stereo pair of analog outs - say Line 5 & 6 - from the Apollo into the patchbay. then have the option there at the PB. But it's just so clunky.
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Post by wiz on Feb 21, 2016 18:44:25 GMT -6
Oh I might have misunderstood, you must be connecting your headphone mixer thingy by adat ... I assumed you had it connected from some adat to analog box
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Wiz
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Post by stratboy on Feb 21, 2016 18:50:43 GMT -6
how about, running the adat outs.. to a patch bay.. and patching them to headphones, when tracking and outboard when mixing? cheers Wiz Wiz has a point. Any adat ad/da would work if you are willing to unplug the hp feed when you are mixing. Plug the adat cable into a Alesis AI3 or Behringer. That would do the job.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 21, 2016 18:51:15 GMT -6
how about, running the adat outs.. to a patch bay.. and patching them to headphones, when tracking and outboard when mixing? cheers Wiz I did use the adat conection and bought the crappy ada 8000 which is not bad at all in DA. I bought it because of the blindtest on GS. No one was picking the diffrence between the B. and a Lynx Aurora by ear. It all ended in a taste discussion. Because money was an issue 5 years ago, legal seperation, new flat moving... I took the Behringer and since then it was running till I bought the 24 channel console. The new version even has lower latency, they solved the psu heat and it has a smoother f- response... www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep13/articles/behringer-ultragain-ada8200.htm
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Post by wiz on Feb 21, 2016 18:52:42 GMT -6
yeah, I own a ADA8000, I replaced the power caps in mine a while back... still works... I use it to drive headphones and VU meters..atm
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2016 19:58:06 GMT -6
Guess I could always just buy an Apollo Twin solo or duo. Add two more outs...
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 21, 2016 20:08:30 GMT -6
The D box has no adat or spdof out but a summing unit holy..... Lets think if we can reorganize your setup.
Which converter do you use and how many adat outs can it handle?
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Post by ericn on Feb 21, 2016 20:31:34 GMT -6
Guess I could always just buy an Apollo Twin solo or duo. Add two more outs... Again if you need 2 buy 8!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 22, 2016 13:58:36 GMT -6
I'm still not understanding how ADAT out would give me more analog outs...if I don't have anything to convert it back into analog.
Couldn't I just take line out - say 5 and 6 - and run those outs to the patchbay. So if I wanted to send something like bass out to a a comp, I could just patch the comp in between the patchbay and the summing inputs...
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Post by ericn on Feb 22, 2016 14:31:30 GMT -6
I'm still not understanding how ADAT out would give me more analog outs...if I don't have anything to convert it back into analog. Couldn't I just take line out - say 5 and 6 - and run those outs to the patchbay. So if I wanted to send something like bass out to a a comp, I could just patch the comp in between the patchbay and the summing inputs... Yes Adat is useless without a converter. Yes you could bring analog outs to the bay and easily re-patch them for other purposes !
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Post by stratboy on Feb 22, 2016 15:54:09 GMT -6
Maybe I misunderstood your problem, John. I don't know the Apollo back panel, so when you said adat out, I assumed you meant the typical optical out (with typically a matching optical in) that in adat format can handle 8 channels of digital audio at 44.1. If you have a Behringer or Alesis, that box provides you with 8 ch of ad/da conversion, run into, and out of, your Apollo via the adat Ports. Problem solved. All you have to do when tracking is run the SF ADAT out to your HP system. If I missed something, it only means I took up some thread space with a worthless, well meaning post. I've done that plenty of times! :-)
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 22, 2016 16:23:27 GMT -6
No - I'm not complaining - I appreciate the help! I get what you're sayin now.
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Post by popmann on Feb 22, 2016 18:13:38 GMT -6
Note that the A16 has no ADAT, so your Hearback will need to be counted in the 16 analog outputs. Though, I still don't really understand what that does for an overdub studio...and running 88.2 (?)....I didn't think it did SMUX.
There's no GOOD way to do it full time with a second interface....now, if you can hook the Hearback up via some analog....you could get a cheap $600 used Rosetta800 or something, and both the Apollo AND the Rosetta do SMUX, so with four optical cables, you can actually GET 8x8 MORE analog IO. Which would give you: 8x8 Rosetta, 8x8(10?) Apollo, and 2x2 SvartBox (or Burl ADC SVART DAC--whatever)....track through the 2x2 SPDIF....mix with the Rosetta+APollo outs (totaling 16)....record it back and monitor final with the 2x2.
You would just want to make sure not to split drum mics between the Rosetta and APollo outs--mismatching latency....but, other than that, it gives you a hodge podge of 18x18 IO available in the Apollo Console. You can of course sub any 8 ch ADAT converter than does SMUX, but that's not a trivial find. This is why I wish ADAT would die and go the fuck away from the world forever.
I will also lovingly rib you about how, had you stuck with the Symphony platform, you'd simply order a second 16 output card and have a 8x24 unit five min after arrival. It's funny to me because I thought the Symphony design with modular cards was silly--"who is spending thousands on computer interfaces and doesn't know how many IO they need?"
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 22, 2016 18:57:13 GMT -6
@johnkenn, how many outboard pieces are you looking to integrate?
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Post by stratboy on Feb 22, 2016 19:58:49 GMT -6
Rosetta, even better!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 22, 2016 20:16:46 GMT -6
Note that the A16 has no ADAT, so your Hearback will need to be counted in the 16 analog outputs. Though, I still don't really understand what that does for an overdub studio...and running 88.2 (?)....I didn't think it did SMUX. There's no GOOD way to do it full time with a second interface....now, if you can hook the Hearback up via some analog....you could get a cheap $600 used Rosetta800 or something, and both the Apollo AND the Rosetta do SMUX, so with four optical cables, you can actually GET 8x8 MORE analog IO. Which would give you: 8x8 Rosetta, 8x8(10?) Apollo, and 2x2 SvartBox (or Burl ADC SVART DAC--whatever)....track through the 2x2 SPDIF....mix with the Rosetta+APollo outs (totaling 16)....record it back and monitor final with the 2x2. You would just want to make sure not to split drum mics between the Rosetta and APollo outs--mismatching latency....but, other than that, it gives you a hodge podge of 18x18 IO available in the Apollo Console. You can of course sub any 8 ch ADAT converter than does SMUX, but that's not a trivial find. This is why I wish ADAT would die and go the fuck away from the world forever. I will also lovingly rib you about how, had you stuck with the Symphony platform, you'd simply order a second 16 output card and have a 8x24 unit five min after arrival. It's funny to me because I thought the Symphony design with modular cards was silly--"who is spending thousands on computer interfaces and doesn't know how many IO they need?" I'm happy to be using the UA Console. Maestro is a complete cluster. Right NOW, I really only need 8 outs to the summing mixer, but I'd love to have another two outs so I could have the ability to comp/EQ a mono or stereo track. I think the patchy will be the simplest solution. If I were doing more mixing, I would want the 2 bus + and Apollo 16...and then keep the SF Apollo.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 22, 2016 20:18:29 GMT -6
@johnkenn, how many outboard pieces are you looking to integrate? Just three pieces...
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Post by bluenoise on Feb 22, 2016 20:27:49 GMT -6
Then i guess the easiest is patchbay and inserting them pre summing. Not as an analog insert in pt, but out of the apollo, into the hardware whatever, into the dbox summing input. I've done just that a few weeks ago. Then, the sum out of the dbox into a pair of vp28s, into the apollo.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 23, 2016 6:07:06 GMT -6
@johnkenn, how many outboard pieces are you looking to integrate? Just three pieces... Yeah man, patchbay sounds like the least expensive solution. I picked up a couple of the Samson S-Patch Plus. Really great and well built with the normalling options with the flick of a switch right on the front. I also took a chance on some of those Monoprice patch cables. Man, they're not bad at all! I was expecting cheap molded Hosa-like cables, but they're not that at all. You can't even build them that cheap. Just my 2 cents, man.
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