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Post by wiz on Dec 29, 2015 15:12:42 GMT -6
seems like a well thought out way to do it.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 29, 2015 15:19:44 GMT -6
I wonder if CLA often mixes with his Grammy's sitting next to him?
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 29, 2015 15:35:06 GMT -6
I wonder why he didn't say "for only $300 a year" haha
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Post by winetree on Dec 29, 2015 15:55:26 GMT -6
I can't even watch the video without it buffering every 30 seconds.
All I heard was $25.00 a month. I stopped watching at 2 minutes.
So what's going to happen when I watch the course.
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Post by odyssey76 on Dec 29, 2015 15:55:52 GMT -6
How much is each class? Seems like a good idea but I get so turned off by the marketing tactics.
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Post by svart on Dec 29, 2015 16:17:18 GMT -6
The course is basically a Slate commercial that you pay to watch. I think CLA has jumped the shark on this one.
Did anyone else see how uncomfortably CLA was pecking at the Raven? Body language alone screams bullshit.
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Post by wiz on Dec 29, 2015 16:41:26 GMT -6
you guys are sooooo bitchy 8)
honestly... I don't know how much it all is..
but, I like the idea...
lets say the course is 100 bucks.. and you rent the plug ins for a month and watch it and follow along...
125 if you pick up a few tips and see different way to work, AB ing your heart out...
I think thats not bad....
the cup might be half full .. might not...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 29, 2015 17:02:40 GMT -6
All joking aside.... for those that have never sat next to someone and been shown how to do things and actually been mentored by someone who knows what it takes to deliver, this somewhat brings you back to the days of apprenticeship and the passing of knowledge. I'm not sure how much can be learned from one sit down, but at least it would provide some insight on how these guys achieve certain things. I was fortunate enough to learn from someone that delivered and am still fortunate to be learning under Mr. Kohrs, who I'd consider one of the best engineers and producers walking this planet.
What I will point out here, experience and time in the chair are what got a lot of these guys to where they are. Being determined to better your craft and experimenting are equivalent to a diet and exercise plan. These tutorials can be an excellent diet, but if you don't get your ass moving the tutorial isn't going to do much. That's where I would be cautious on the marketing with this, similar to the diet stuff.... It'd be nice if they offered just one full class so you could determine if it's worth the $$$ and if you're going to gain anything by it. If it's something worth the cost then it would be brilliant to set up a series with each professional. I support anything that gets us back closer to the days of a mentor and an apprentice.
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Post by warrenfirehouse on Dec 29, 2015 17:19:00 GMT -6
Did anyone else see how uncomfortably CLA was pecking at the Raven? Body language alone screams bullshit. Haha I was thinking the same thing. He looks like he slept late and had to frantically finish a mix in 20 mins. Its just really fake when you watch any of his interviews and he does nothing but preach otb, ssl 4k and faders. I wonder how Waves feels about this considering he has a whole line of signature plugs. Slate should just run for president already and get it over with. Hes got my vote! |
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Post by ericn on Dec 29, 2015 17:21:23 GMT -6
All joking aside.... for those that have never sat next to someone and been shown how to do things and actually been mentored by someone who knows what it takes to deliver, this somewhat brings you back to the days of apprenticeship and the passing of knowledge. I'm not sure how much can be learned from one sit down, but at least it would provide some insight on how these guys achieve certain things. I was fortunate enough to learn from someone that delivered and am still fortunate to be learning under Mr. Kohrs, who I'd consider one of the best engineers and producers walking this planet. What I will point out here, experience and time in the chair are what got a lot of these guys to where they are. Being determined to better your craft and experimenting are equivalent to a diet and exercise plan. These tutorials can be an excellent diet, but if you don't get your ass moving the tutorial isn't going to do much. That's where I would be cautious on the marketing with this, similar to the diet stuff.... It'd be nice if they offered just one full class so you could determine if it's worth the $$$ and if you're going to gain anything by it. If it's something worth the cost then it would be brilliant to set up a series with each professional. I support anything that gets us back closer to the days of a mentor and an apprentice. The best way I have found to explain it is , You can be taught what to do, but you have to learn when to do it! |
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Post by M57 on Dec 29, 2015 17:24:40 GMT -6
Steve is the one who jumped the shark on this one. As far as I can tell, the course is Free - and I'm thinking it's pretty much a brilliant marketing scheme. You pay $25 to rent the plugs for a month (he could charge less, but this is all about perception - Pay more, get more). If he produces these videos right, after watching them, customers will have learned the 'tricks of the trade', but on his plugs. CLA, and anyone else who participates in this is only along for the ride. If Steve does it right, and I have no reason to believe he won't, he'll coach his famous 'name' engineers to present their tricks in the context of how it looks with his products. They should be saying things like, "..on a snare, I like to turn this knob to right about here !." Bottom line: A high percentage of the demographic that is likely to take advantage of the classes is going to invest in the plugs because that's what will be in their comfort zone.
I can't stand listening to the guy, and I don't use any of his plugs because I avoid iLoc, but you've gotta acknowledge that he's a marketing genius.
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Post by donr on Dec 29, 2015 20:38:20 GMT -6
I wonder if CLA often mixes with his Grammy's sitting next to him? Haha, in the heat of a mix, CLA often reaches for one of his Grammy's for inspiration. This Slate course is a good idea. I particularly like he's prepared the session in just about everyone's DAW format. Hip. Of course he's promoting his own software, but the CLA experience would benefit anyone who takes the course. Heck, I'd like to take it. And since Slate's software is all clearly emulated stuff, the info would be expansive to other companys' plugs and the hardware. I bet CLA didn't have too many hours of experience on Slate software and certainly the Slate Raven MTi before he did this. Yet, if the resulting mix sounds good, it's certainly instructive. I'm not down with the level of Slate hate in the AE community. I think the guy is regularly moving the ball downfield in the new millennium of audio production. Future audio historians will likely rank him along with the analog pioneers of the previous century for innovation. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 29, 2015 21:33:19 GMT -6
I agree - I'd love to see how he approaches things.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 29, 2015 21:36:51 GMT -6
He's the reincarnation of Rod Serling haha, he seems a nice guy, he's certainly motivated, and a comically slick salesman, he'll get people to buy his plugs for that tutorial alone, very smart, and i hope that the CLA mix thing is great, it would be nice for anyone to learn some new stuff, no one has it all figured out, there is always something to learn.
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Post by popmann on Dec 29, 2015 21:46:06 GMT -6
Does this mean it's effectively like Steven slept with Waves now?  See old high school health class for reference.... I still kinda chuckle at this whole "rock star engineer" thing. I'm not sure when that happened. That said--I'm sure if I sat and watched, I'd pick up something....because that's how it works. But, I'd pick up something if BobO invited me over. Or if I came down under to Wiz's house to catch a Baby Animals show. Man, I love that band. Not like they toru stateside....anyway....any engineer you work with remotely competent you learn from. Hell--you learn from ones that are completely INcompetent--if only in what NOT to do. I particularly think there's an issue that it's all mixing tracks. You want a MORE interesting video? Steven and Chris record some band's bonus room....from tracking to mix....get a audio hardware manufacturer (Apogee maybe? Audient?) on board to donate the interface. Because, as someone who's worked on both sides of that fence--techniques for mixing really professionally recorded tracks from a big studio is NOT the same as mixing tracks from a little room or home studio type environment. Imagine this traveling rig: Little Raven Apogee Ensemble Macbook That could easily be put in a rolling rack--one of those ones with the table stand to the side, for the Raven. Along with a cabinet of AudioTechnica and Shure (or whomever wants to sponsor this) mics....something that is basically relevant to the actual people buying the course. "Gonzo Engineering 101". I mean....did I just come up with our first RGO product idea or what? Or if Slate doesn't want to be involved, we could call Microsoft and Steinberg--they could provide the controllers, interfaces, software AND the 27" touchscreen to run it all. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 29, 2015 22:03:40 GMT -6
I'll never say I don't think I could learn something from this course, I mean I have learned more in unexpected places than I have in situations I thought would be learning experiences.
Stevens greatest asset to the inexperienced, is what pisses off many, that whole PT Barnum thing. His shtick scares the working AE's because he's so damn good at selling the idea that with Slate you can make a record!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 30, 2015 2:24:50 GMT -6
superwack hits the nail on the head here. Mixing is EASY when you're mixing top tier talent. No exceptions. Am I saying that I could mix an Alison Krauss record and win a grammy? Yes, that's what I'm saying. And so could most of you groovy dudes on this forum if we were given the opportunity and the proper studio to do it in. Talent like AKUS (and coincidently the talent that will be showcased in these Slate tutorials) nearly mix themselves.
Here's what I'd like to see... give me one of these big namers mix some of the turds that I've been given to polish over the years. If Alge can make that sound like Green Day, then I'll gladly pay to learn from him. Or whomever for that matter.
But as previously mentioned, watching anyone else mix will result in learning. Always does.
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Post by levon on Dec 30, 2015 2:27:01 GMT -6
CLA is just as much a showman as Steven is. That doesn't take away anything from their achievements. It's just the American way. Very comical and funny for us Europeans. We can't really take it too seriously. Still, I love my Slate plugs.
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Post by svart on Dec 30, 2015 10:00:20 GMT -6
Did anyone else see how uncomfortably CLA was pecking at the Raven? Body language alone screams bullshit. Haha I was thinking the same thing. He looks like he slept late and had to frantically finish a mix in 20 mins. Its just really fake when you watch any of his interviews and he does nothing but preach otb, ssl 4k and faders. I wonder how Waves feels about this considering he has a whole line of signature plugs. Slate should just run for president already and get it over with. Hes got my vote! Same thoughts here, that he's boasted so many time about his hardware and racks of gear that he keeps the settings the same on and just buys new gear, etc, that seeing him uncomfortably pimp software is a real head scratcher. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 30, 2015 14:32:34 GMT -6
It kind of speaks volumes about how busy CLA isn't these daze! CLA follows Bob Clearmountain's process for fully recallable fast intuitive mixes.
The secret is that all of the left-brain, utterly fatiguing setup process has been done by his assistants before he ever hears a note. Then he knocks out his mix with totally fresh ears. The labels, producers and artists can all send their comments and he just recalls the mix and punches in any changes they've asked for.
You can pretty much do the same thing in Pro Tools only you need somebody to do setup.
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Post by deehope on Dec 30, 2015 14:53:30 GMT -6
Slightly off topic but I've always wondered why you've never made one of these tutorials. You've given half of it away already on these forums but "Mixing it like Motown" would be an instant buy for me. It kind of speaks volumes about how busy CLA isn't these daze! CLA follows Bob Clearmountain's process for fully recallable fast intuitive mixes. The secret is that all of the left-brain, utterly fatiguing setup process has been done by his assistants before he ever hears a note. Then he knocks out his mix with totally fresh ears. The labels, producers and artists can all send their comments and he just recalls the mix and punches in any changes they've asked for. You can pretty much do the same thing in Pro Tools only you need somebody to do setup. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 30, 2015 15:17:31 GMT -6
I taught for a couple years at Nashville State Community College but couldn't find a way to teach creative problem solving without alienating enough students to get me fired. Everybody wanted a formula. The dean and department head knew what I was trying to do and I still serve on the college's advisory board. Affordable education is important to me. I also give one lecture to each Blackbird class but it's about history and never about gear.
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Post by deehope on Dec 30, 2015 15:32:06 GMT -6
So that's a no? At least this way you don't have to talk to any students lol I taught for a couple years at Nashville State Community College but couldn't find a way to teach creative problem solving without alienating enough students to get me fired. Everybody wanted a formula. The dean and department head knew what I was trying to do and I still serve on the college's advisory board. Affordable education is important to me. I also give one lecture to each Blackbird class but it's about history and never about gear. |
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Post by joseph on Dec 30, 2015 15:32:40 GMT -6
Slightly off topic but I've always wondered why you've never made one of these tutorials. You've given half of it away already on these forums but "Mixing it like Motown" would be an instant buy for me. Mix however you want, but without great musicians, you end up with shit. That'll be 20 dollars. Join me next month for part 2 of my course, entitled "If you like My Chemical Romance, kill yourself." |
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Post by deehope on Dec 30, 2015 15:41:10 GMT -6
Uhm...not sure if your joking or not. I've heard more then my fair share of excellent mixes on mediocore songs. I'd say the majority of our jobs are polishing turds and our lucky days are when we get some really great material to work with. Slightly off topic but I've always wondered why you've never made one of these tutorials. You've given half of it away already on these forums but "Mixing it like Motown" would be an instant buy for me. Mix however you want, but without great musicians, you end up with shit. That'll be 20 dollars. Join me next month for part 2 of my course, entitled "If you like My Chemical Romance, kill yourself." |
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See old high school health class for reference.... 
