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Post by drbill on Dec 28, 2015 14:54:14 GMT -6
Thoughts on sound, vibe, compression / limiting characteristics?
After being out there over a year now, I'm surprised that there's so little feedback on these.....
Thx, bp
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Post by wiz on Dec 28, 2015 15:39:46 GMT -6
I was wondering the same thing... and the Heritage 2254 500 series one as well
cheers
Wiz
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Post by rob61 on Dec 28, 2015 16:18:53 GMT -6
I built a pair when they first became available and love them. They are old school : thick, syrupy, and gooey. With 3 transformers each, they impart a silky smooth sound and I think help most of today's fast transient stuff. You have to be happy with the time constraints or modify. His assembled 500 version has fast/slow attack, whereas his 2254a kits are true to the originals with fixed attack. True to the originals. Recovery on the comp section is like the original, fastest is 400 ms... many had the originals modded for faster recovery. Haven't tried modding yet, not sure what is involved, but that would be beneficial. I still give these a 10!
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 28, 2015 16:57:46 GMT -6
Thoughts on sound, vibe, compression / limiting characteristics? After being out there over a year now, I'm surprised that there's so little feedback on these..... Thx, bp they're super expensive and most people don't associate "neve" with "compression".
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Post by drbill on Dec 28, 2015 17:31:21 GMT -6
Thoughts on sound, vibe, compression / limiting characteristics? After being out there over a year now, I'm surprised that there's so little feedback on these..... Thx, bp they're super expensive and most people don't associate "neve" with "compression". Huh? Actually, they are quite a bargain - especially against vintage 2254's....
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Post by drbill on Dec 28, 2015 17:32:47 GMT -6
I built a pair when they first became available and love them. They are old school : thick, syrupy, and gooey. With 3 transformers each, they impart a silky smooth sound and I think help most of today's fast transient stuff. You have to be happy with the time constraints or modify. His assembled 500 version has fast/slow attack, whereas his 2254a kits are true to the originals with fixed attack. True to the originals. Recovery on the comp section is like the original, fastest is 400 ms... many had the originals modded for faster recovery. Haven't tried modding yet, not sure what is involved, but that would be beneficial. I still give these a 10! Thanks for your thoughts Rob! Are you aware of anyone who's modded these for faster release/attack? Also, what are your favorite uses? Many thanks. bp
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 28, 2015 19:05:24 GMT -6
they're super expensive and most people don't associate "neve" with "compression". Huh? Actually, they are quite a bargain - especially against vintage 2254's.... Compared to most 500-series modules, they're expensive and eat up 3 slots for only processing one channel. Most modern dudes with lunchboxes are bedroom producers who aren't familiar with vintage neve stuff, other than "1073", and they only want to pay $600 for those Rupert Neve single-slot modules from sweetwater.
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Post by drbill on Dec 28, 2015 21:19:45 GMT -6
Huh? Actually, they are quite a bargain - especially against vintage 2254's.... Compared to most 500-series modules, they're expensive and eat up 3 slots for only processing one channel. Most modern dudes with lunchboxes are bedroom producers who aren't familiar with vintage neve stuff, other than "1073", and they only want to pay $600 for those Rupert Neve single-slot modules from sweetwater. Actually, I really don't care about what "most modern dudes" think, and your comments are regarding a unit I'm not even asking about. I'm not looking for speculation or guesses or similar units no matter the name or number. I'm looking for people like Rob who actually own one or two AML 2254's. BTW, they're 19" rack units - not 500 series units. But who's counting.... www.audiomaintenance.com/acatalog/kits.html#a481
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Post by ericn on Dec 28, 2015 22:43:07 GMT -6
Thoughts on sound, vibe, compression / limiting characteristics? After being out there over a year now, I'm surprised that there's so little feedback on these..... Thx, bp Tell you what Doc ( oh if only you could write a script) you pay I'll build !
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 28, 2015 23:19:55 GMT -6
Compared to most 500-series modules, they're expensive and eat up 3 slots for only processing one channel. Most modern dudes with lunchboxes are bedroom producers who aren't familiar with vintage neve stuff, other than "1073", and they only want to pay $600 for those Rupert Neve single-slot modules from sweetwater. Actually, I really don't care about what "most modern dudes" think, and your comments are regarding a unit I'm not even asking about. I'm not looking for speculation or guesses or similar units no matter the name or number. I'm looking for people like Rob who actually own one or two AML 2254's. BTW, they're 19" rack units - not 500 series units. But who's counting.... www.audiomaintenance.com/acatalog/kits.html#a481Colin's 2254 rack kit and his 500-series 54F are the same circuit, excluding the PSU.
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Post by mhbunch on Dec 29, 2015 1:39:26 GMT -6
I've had my eye on this build for a while, too. Wonder how it sounds for vox and bass... Don't think I can justify the cost of doing a stereo build for close to 2k without variable attack times
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Post by rob61 on Dec 29, 2015 2:05:43 GMT -6
Colin's 2254 rack kit and his 500-series 54F are the same circuit, excluding the PSU. Actually that's not correct. Colin's rack units are like a classic 2254A. The 54F50 is like an enhanced 2254E. The 54F50 has slow/fast attack switch which can also be internally jumpered for different times. It is only available as a cube (3 space 500 series) similar in shape to the Neve. The complete rack mount kit is the original 2254a.
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Post by rob61 on Dec 29, 2015 2:23:16 GMT -6
Thanks for your thoughts Rob! Are you aware of anyone who's modded these for faster release/attack? Also, what are your favorite uses? Many thanks. bp I don't know anyone who's modded these, but being a time mod it's probably a capacitor change or two. I know it was a pretty common mod to the originals. Colin's 54F50 has a fast/slow attack switch and internal jumpers for different timings. But even without those built in mods, the rack mount is that classic Neve sound. By the way, I need to correct myself from my original post. It has FOUR transformers per unit. As you may know, this is a diode bridge design, so it drops signal 40 db, does its compression thing, and then boosts back up. These are spectacularly quiet for this design (probably quieter than the original Neve). Therefore it has input, interstage, and output transformers, helping lend their smooth buttery tone to the unit. All Carnhills by the way! Because of the fixed attack, and rather slow release of the compressor, I find myself using the lower ratios mostly. I've used it on vocals, bass, acoustic guitar, drum buss, and mix buss with great results. It is old school, run your mix through it, and you are listening to FM radio, if you know what I mean. I also like it to smooth out the drum buss for a less intrusive smoother percussion sound. Those 4 Carnhills really help smooth out those transients when that is what you want to do. I also like to run stuff through it with negligible compression when I want a little more syrup. When using the comp/limiter sections (they are separate and can be controlled individually) I find myself using the compressor more than the limiter. If you want me to run something through it, PM me and I'll get you an email to mail something. I'll post some pictures in another post.
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Post by rob61 on Dec 29, 2015 2:31:51 GMT -6
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Post by keymod on Dec 29, 2015 4:21:33 GMT -6
Nice. I would like to build a pair at some point.
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Post by stribor1 on Dec 29, 2015 10:02:16 GMT -6
I also built a pair a year back, "thick, syrupy and gooey" is a good description. Love them on the drum buss, stereo bus, nice for bass and vocals as well. Regarding faster attack time mod, didn´t feel a need for it so haven´t tried it, but I would ask Colin for advice if I ever go for it, a really helpful guy. Also built a couple of AML ez1073 and a pair of his eQP-1, great stuff, love them to death and I don´t think the AML kits are to pricey, you get what you pay for.
Regarding the AML 500 compressor modules, true they are 3 spaces, but it´s the real deal, you can´t fit a real 2254 circuit in an one or a two space module.
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Post by stribor1 on Dec 29, 2015 10:24:33 GMT -6
..yup, 4 transformers, won´t find these when you open up the one slot AMS Neve 2264A compressor
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Post by Ward on Dec 29, 2015 10:29:23 GMT -6
Prices there were in British Pounds... so, $880 for one, and $865 each for two? What about import duties, taxes etc? Add about 30%?
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Post by drbill on Dec 29, 2015 11:11:15 GMT -6
Thanks Rob & stribor1. Much appreciated!
bp
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Post by matt555 on Dec 29, 2015 11:17:14 GMT -6
I was also looking at the EZ2254 1u rack version and looking for some opinions. I have already built a pair of AML EZ1073's and like them a lot and as I am in the UK I dont have to worry about the import. After searching for some information there is a moderator on the purple site that gives the EZ2254 & EZ1073 good reviews, I think he owns a studio here in the UK. To be honest its hard to find a bad review of either the EZ1073 or the EZ2254. He also describes the sound similar to above hence why I was interested
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 29, 2015 12:36:07 GMT -6
Wonder how these compare to the BAE 10DC.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 30, 2015 9:06:00 GMT -6
Prices there were in British Pounds... so, $880 for one, and $865 each for two? What about import duties, taxes etc? Add about 30%? I've never been charged that stuff when I ordered from colin, and i'm here in the USA. Colin uses (or used to use) TNT to ship his stuff, and they can be kinda shady, trying to charge you import fees or other random fees a few days/weeks after you've received your product. There are a few stories on GroupDIY about them. I've never personally received the fee when i ordered from colin. groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=47321.msg595059#msg595059
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Post by joseph on Dec 30, 2015 10:03:31 GMT -6
Wonder how these compare to the BAE 10DC. The BAE has variable attack, 2 faster and 2 auto release options but not 1.5 on compressor section, 10:1 ratio, and there's an option now with hpf sidechain. But these kind of compressors sound best taking off like 1-3db on the meter or they get too grabby. And my general feeling is that overuse of hpf even on more transparent compressors can lead to poorly balanced buses. So the only thing I would really miss from 10DC is the 10 and 20ms attack options. But the AML 500 series has a slow attack 25ms in addition to the 5ms.
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 14, 2020 12:10:17 GMT -6
Damn it looks like these are no longer available? No long listed on AML's site. Sad day, I wanted a pair.
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Post by drbill on Aug 14, 2020 12:52:18 GMT -6
Damn it looks like these are no longer available? No long listed on AML's site. Sad day, I wanted a pair. Maybe there's a reason?
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