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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 1, 2016 11:19:48 GMT -6
I've done the Gain plug on the 2 bus thing, but it's still not quite right. The Low Latency Safe mode confuses me though. Doesn't that leave the send's latency in tact? I don't see why would I want that. What LLSM does is lift the restriction on using 'any' buss sends on individual tracks - those sends are otherwise grayed-out when the input monitor button is engaged. Apparently, if what chuck is saying is correct, LP assumes that anything sent to a buss will introduce additional latency. Personally, I've been using the down and dirty solution and putting the Gain and verb plug(s) on the incoming track(s). It doesn't affect what gets printed. www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=70450&start=20
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 16, 2016 10:00:20 GMT -6
"Update: I've done some tracking with the newly designed Blackspade mic, and I've had some time to evaluate it. The difference I've found between the old model and the new is impressive. As good as the old model was, there were things that prevented it from being a truly world class mic. There was a harshness whenever I hit it hard, and a kind of thinness. It was lacking a little low-end, and it was slightly noisy.
The MK2 model addressed every issue I had. It takes a hit like a champ, has no extra sibilance at all, is dead quiet, and the bottom is now full and balanced. Not bloated full, like so many "vintage" style mics, but properly full. To me, it's more like 75% U-47, 25% M-49 now. This gives it it's own character, but keeps it in the same category of a main vocal workhorse mic. Much more care has been put in to the build quality of the new models.
I had the amazing Soyuz 0-17 for a week, and tracked some vocals. I then tracked the same vocal with my new UM-17R Mk2... at this point, I would have a hard time choosing between them. The Blackspade sounds big now, clean, smooth, like the U87, Soyuz and Telefunken C12 I used did.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 16, 2016 11:20:59 GMT -6
* one thing I'd like to pass on. I sent my old model UM-17B to be modified. I found the Blueline capsule just wasn't right for my voice, as good as it was. I ended up adding some cash, and traded in my mic for the brand new MK II UM-17R, (redline), and couldn't be happier. If you're looking at the the UM-17B MK II, think carefully about the UM-17R MK II, because it will be available in a week or so. In our conversations, Mike at Blackspade noticed that all the mics I've loved, vintage U-87, C-12, Soyuz 0-17, all had Mylar capsules, not PVC, so at his thoughtful suggestion, I went with that, and love it.
Also, I've seen inside both mics, and the new build is way, way cleaner, the older Archut mic was nowhere near as clean, all due respect to Oliver.
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Post by Dayme'n'Dim on Sept 8, 2018 9:40:15 GMT -6
Hi!!
I'm new in RGO. I've just bought two years old UM17B with Blueline capsule on secondhand market. My voice sounds good on old 87 and 67. Regarding this Blackspade mic, it is a little shy on high mids and lows for my taste. Martin John Butler, beside Redline capsule, what other changes have been made to your microphone?
Thanx!!
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Post by jakeharris on Sept 11, 2018 21:45:49 GMT -6
If you're in Europe, best is to contact BSA directly. Had my 49B's custom tuned exactly the way I like them, and very happy with the performance. Process was free of charge, just had to cover shipping.
Can't compare it to 67/87's though. It's a completely different capsule and circuit design.
Wouldn't recommend Redline either. Loss of detail, and they sound bland in comparison to Blueline's. Some might disagree, but for me it's night and day.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 12, 2018 6:59:15 GMT -6
Not sure if this helps the question but my gut tells me the redline cap sounds best in the UM 17 because of the circuit that’s used. It's my favorite mic I've ever used on my voice or most anything really. I've got an MK U 47 with a blueline cap in it. It's useful but I find myself having to carve everything I record through it. Not so with the UM 17r. If i place the mic right, I'm done. Excellant mic. You might try finding a redline cap and put in your mic. I think you'll like the result.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 12, 2018 7:02:23 GMT -6
BTW, mine has the old AMI transformer in it that Oliver chose and not the BV08. I'm guessing that has a lot to do with a "magic pairing" thing that I'm experiencing with my mic.
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Post by Dayme'n'Dim on Sept 12, 2018 8:09:11 GMT -6
If you're in Europe, best is to contact BSA directly. Had my 49B's custom tuned exactly the way I like them, and very happy with the performance. Process was free of charge, just had to cover shipping. Can't compare it to 67/87's though. It's a completely different capsule and circuit design. Wouldn't recommend Redline either. Loss of detail, and they sound bland in comparison to Blueline's. Some might disagree, but for me it's night and day. Thank you, jakeharris!! I've sent you message about my problem contacting bsa. Regarding Redline-Blueline, a friend has one spare Redline capsule lying around. I think I'll start there.
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Post by Dayme'n'Dim on Sept 12, 2018 8:22:03 GMT -6
Not sure if this helps the question but my gut tells me the redline cap sounds best in the UM 17 because of the circuit that’s used. It's my favorite mic I've ever used on my voice or most anything really. I've got an MK U 47 with a blueline cap in it. It's useful but I find myself having to carve everything I record through it. Not so with the UM 17r. If i place the mic right, I'm done. Excellant mic. You might try finding a redline cap and put in your mic. I think you'll like the result. Yeah, I'll try that. Although, Oliver's circuit and parts were a little different to this newer BSA technology.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Sept 12, 2018 9:31:33 GMT -6
BSA is a good bunch of dudes. I've talked extensively with them and they're very helpful. My mic is voiced somewhere between an M-49 and C-12. That's exactly what I want in a utility mic. I'll bequeath this one to my children.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 12, 2018 9:57:59 GMT -6
BSA helped me out many times. I had tried two Blueline capsules, and then the Red, the RED sounded better for my voice.
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Post by Dayme'n'Dim on Sept 12, 2018 11:38:34 GMT -6
Thanx, guys. I'll inform you about final results..
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Post by sirthought on Jul 27, 2021 14:25:45 GMT -6
I will be receiving one of these on the 30th. It has the blue line capsule and AMI all nickel transformer. It's one that Oliver Archut made himself. Serial number is 47.
The price on Reverb was low enough that I think I'd have a harder time sourcing the components and getting it professionally built at that price, so I went for it.
Seems like these have had numerous changes to the build since Arthur's death. Hopefully they are all worthy mics.
I had been considering having Chris at Barbarian Amplification build a 49 style mic, with a Thiersch. This just came out to be a faster and more affordable option.
A few months before the lockdown I lost access to my studio space, so I'm on the hunt for a good room. Looking forward to seeing what this mic can do in a well treated space.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 27, 2021 15:08:36 GMT -6
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Post by plinker on Jul 27, 2021 16:23:08 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on Jul 27, 2021 18:06:39 GMT -6
Nope. Not that one. Notice it's still for sale.
Now what's this about the power supply?
Couple of things I noticed in research, including conversation on this board:
1) there were several changes of components, and in one thread Martin said a guy from BSA told him serial numbers should start in 50s. So mine might be an earlier model. I also know that after Oliver's death they moved away from several of his choices, which may have involved the PSU.
2) This is claiming to be the UM17b, but a Sound on Sound review of the UM17r generally gave a favorable review but did complain the PSU didn't have a mains switch. Said it was sourced in China and Oliver would modify it for the continuous pattern selection. I don't know if that changes on the UM17b. Maybe it was supposed to.
The seller may be a RGO member named Lonn. Not sure. He said he was moving to mostly ribbon mic use.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 28, 2021 8:27:24 GMT -6
The Non- Thiersch capsule UM-17 was a $990 mic. The Thiersch capsule "B" was $1,750. Same with the "R". B was Blueline, R was Redline. Slightly different sound.
I had both, the R worked better for me. If the guy selling doesn't have a Thiersch cap in it, it's a fraudulent sale. Mic should be $700 used at best.
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Post by sirthought on Jul 28, 2021 12:44:36 GMT -6
Like I said, it has a blue line, as well as a Phillips 5840 tube and AMI BV8LP transformer.
It does have an Accusound cable, whereas I usually see it listed with Gotham.
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Post by plinker on Jul 28, 2021 13:27:19 GMT -6
This might help -- hard to find their legacy page, for some reason: bsa-microphones.ch/legacy-productsAccording to that page the UM17B has a Haufe transformer and is made in Switzerland. You mention yours has an AMI transformer. It sounds like you have a UM17R (with blueline capsule) rather than a UM17B. Does your mic have an Ami-Tab metal label riveted into the backside? The ones made by Ami and distributed by Blackspade have this.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 28, 2021 13:27:23 GMT -6
I didn't see that sirthought. If it has a blueline, it's worth considerably more than without. The AMI transformer is a great one.
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Post by sirthought on Jul 28, 2021 17:06:30 GMT -6
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Post by plinker on Jul 28, 2021 20:53:47 GMT -6
Nice!
Congratulations on the purchase.
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Post by hadaja on Jul 29, 2021 0:19:31 GMT -6
Since mentioning BSA mics a few posts back - is there much love in the Audio circle for BSA mics? I dont hear much about them and since getting my Upton I dont use my Custom BSA 251 so it will go on the chopping block along with my Beesneez early tribute 251 model.
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Post by superwack on Jul 29, 2021 0:53:39 GMT -6
This picture shows the serial number is 74 - but earlier you said it was “47” and that “ there were several changes of components, and in one thread Martin said a guy from BSA told him serial numbers should start in 50s. So mine might be an earlier model” so this is, in fact, post component change? No big deal, I reverse numbers all the time, just curious what this mic is.
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Post by sirthought on Jul 29, 2021 2:11:44 GMT -6
This picture shows the serial number is 74 - but earlier you said it was “47” and that “ there were several changes of components, and in one thread Martin said a guy from BSA told him serial numbers should start in 50s. So mine might be an earlier model” so this is, in fact, post component change? No big deal, I reverse numbers all the time, just curious what this mic is. Yeah, in correspondence with the seller he told me it was #47, but obviously it isn't. That's why I thought it might have been an early run before they settled in on some component choices. It's possible it was a Redline changed to have a Blueline put in. But I do know that the specs they list now for the UM17b aren't the same specs as when it originally was released, so I'm not too worried about it. Given the components involved, I think the difference in the transformer isn't huge. I think those guys were likely trying to build a mic to a price point with the best they could get at the time, and that's understandable. I do believe the seller that Oliver built this one, because it sounded like they had spoken about it while it was being built.
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