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Post by illacov on Dec 1, 2015 19:31:27 GMT -6
Form factor SUCKS! half rack that shit please! Will buy anyways, park it on the mixbus and leave it in a rack tray. Totally understandable but the final form factor is 6" wide by 6.5" in depth with a 3" height at the rear of the case. Half rack form factor and 1RU would compromise the complete ergonomic appeal of a small console platform. The console layout (even on the promotype pictured, yes that's what we called it) offers more usable space per channel than your typical 2RU layout for a stereo unit. I have plenty of gear that uses the left to right with big knobs layout like my 1176s but I'm a console brat and always will be. The advantages and possibilities of vertical layout in terms of linear thinking are huge. I've always wondered how cool it would be to see a reverb or delay laid out like this. I will be able to offer 32mm knobs on this platform with plenty of space for even the largest fingers to twiddle, I designed the Zulu concept for it to be a platform you'd get lots of different colors out of and having it sit by your side at the mix position made perfect sense. Controllers, monitor controllers, control surfaces live on the desktop but in practice get used less than our prized rack gear. These things develop and shape our sounds before we get to use our Faderports and Euphonix controllers. I realize the complaints and differences of opinion will come, but I used my lexicon of experience with tracking and mixing and made this gear to keep you in the listening position. Deviating from the rackmount format is tough for some to digest but sit for a while with a device that can mimic the sound of several different styles of tape decks, with fully variable biasing styles, fully variable blend between two different approaches to the analog deck concept on a global level, plus overall deck headroom on the fly and it won't be something you set and put away,but rather I'd hope you'll want it at your fingertips. My testers are printing/tracking entire multi tracks back through their Zulus and tweaking the bias curves and contour controls along with their deck style of choice as they go. They're loving that and I hope people can dig on that too. Thanks |
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Post by illacov on Dec 1, 2015 19:37:51 GMT -6
Why not an ATR? The transport on the studers is awesome but the sound of the ATR is the deal. I've heard some lovely sounding ATR decks in my time but don't have the round the clock access to it that I do with the Studer we have at Handsome. By the same gesture, I'd love to see just how far off a Zulu is from an ATR after setting the deck to HiFi but then tweaking the bias and difference controls to model the curves of the deck in question. Thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 14:25:04 GMT -6
Form factor SUCKS! half rack that shit please! Will buy anyways, park it on the mixbus and leave it in a rack tray. Totally understandable but the final form factor is 6" wide by 6.5" in depth with a 3" height at the rear of the case. Half rack form factor and 1RU would compromise the complete ergonomic appeal of a small console platform. The console layout (even on the promotype pictured, yes that's what we called it) offers more usable space per channel than your typical 2RU layout for a stereo unit. I have plenty of gear that uses the left to right with big knobs layout like my 1176s but I'm a console brat and always will be. The advantages and possibilities of vertical layout in terms of linear thinking are huge. I've always wondered how cool it would be to see a reverb or delay laid out like this. I will be able to offer 32mm knobs on this platform with plenty of space for even the largest fingers to twiddle, I designed the Zulu concept for it to be a platform you'd get lots of different colors out of and having it sit by your side at the mix position made perfect sense. Controllers, monitor controllers, control surfaces live on the desktop but in practice get used less than our prized rack gear. These things develop and shape our sounds before we get to use our Faderports and Euphonix controllers. I realize the complaints and differences of opinion will come, but I used my lexicon of experience with tracking and mixing and made this gear to keep you in the listening position. Deviating from the rackmount format is tough for some to digest but sit for a while with a device that can mimic the sound of several different styles of tape decks, with fully variable biasing styles, fully variable blend between two different approaches to the analog deck concept on a global level, plus overall deck headroom on the fly and it won't be something you set and put away,but rather I'd hope you'll want it at your fingertips. My testers are printing/tracking entire multi tracks back through their Zulus and tweaking the bias curves and contour controls along with their deck style of choice as they go. They're loving that and I hope people can dig on that too. Thanks Hey man, not to be condescending at all but I really don't think you've thought this through. I personally don't have the desk space for a monitor controller that I desperately need more than a tape saturation box, you keep suggesting it's uses during track but a lot of guys here, myself included are thinking mix bus duty and if we want to use it for both it's going to have to be on a patchbay which is going to be a very less than desirable cable run for some. You make a valid point about adjusting in the sweetspot but to counter that, I would much rather purchase a set of small speakers and place them on the top of a rack and switch them from a monitor controller rather than start putting every piece of hardware in front of me, a lot of guys already keep their gear within reaching distance for this reason. I wouldn't go on such a tirade if I didn't want the product but with that kind of form factor I would rather purchase the RND 543, rack and patch them and use them in the exact same manner you describe than clutter my desk that is down to square inches. A lot of people here I'm guessing will want this device for mix bus duties and at least in my world, once a piece is set on the mixbus, changing it from any point after is going to corrupt an entire mix so I can't see myself needing to tweak something like this much. If it's a cost issue, you could sell this piece for $1000USD no problem and still come in well under a pair of RND 543s and way under the anamod tape sim. I'd pay it no questions asked. Think it over man, whole point of a forum is get customer feedback and I think a few of them are asking. Best of luck, really looking forward to it! |
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Post by illacov on Dec 3, 2015 16:15:08 GMT -6
Totally understandable but the final form factor is 6" wide by 6.5" in depth with a 3" height at the rear of the case. Half rack form factor and 1RU would compromise the complete ergonomic appeal of a small console platform. The console layout (even on the promotype pictured, yes that's what we called it) offers more usable space per channel than your typical 2RU layout for a stereo unit. I have plenty of gear that uses the left to right with big knobs layout like my 1176s but I'm a console brat and always will be. The advantages and possibilities of vertical layout in terms of linear thinking are huge. I've always wondered how cool it would be to see a reverb or delay laid out like this. I will be able to offer 32mm knobs on this platform with plenty of space for even the largest fingers to twiddle, I designed the Zulu concept for it to be a platform you'd get lots of different colors out of and having it sit by your side at the mix position made perfect sense. Controllers, monitor controllers, control surfaces live on the desktop but in practice get used less than our prized rack gear. These things develop and shape our sounds before we get to use our Faderports and Euphonix controllers. I realize the complaints and differences of opinion will come, but I used my lexicon of experience with tracking and mixing and made this gear to keep you in the listening position. Deviating from the rackmount format is tough for some to digest but sit for a while with a device that can mimic the sound of several different styles of tape decks, with fully variable biasing styles, fully variable blend between two different approaches to the analog deck concept on a global level, plus overall deck headroom on the fly and it won't be something you set and put away,but rather I'd hope you'll want it at your fingertips. My testers are printing/tracking entire multi tracks back through their Zulus and tweaking the bias curves and contour controls along with their deck style of choice as they go. They're loving that and I hope people can dig on that too. Thanks Hey man, not to be condescending at all but I really don't think you've thought this through. I personally don't have the desk space for a monitor controller that I desperately need more than a tape saturation box, you keep suggesting it's uses during track but a lot of guys here, myself included are thinking mix bus duty and if we want to use it for both it's going to have to be on a patchbay which is going to be a very less than desirable cable run for some. You make a valid point about adjusting in the sweetspot but to counter that, I would much rather purchase a set of small speakers and place them on the top of a rack and switch them from a monitor controller rather than start putting every piece of hardware in front of me, a lot of guys already keep their gear within reaching distance for this reason. I wouldn't go on such a tirade if I didn't want the product but with that kind of form factor I would rather purchase the RND 543, rack and patch them and use them in the exact same manner you describe than clutter my desk that is down to square inches. A lot of people here I'm guessing will want this device for mix bus duties and at least in my world, once a piece is set on the mixbus, changing it from any point after is going to corrupt an entire mix so I can't see myself needing to tweak something like this much. If it's a cost issue, you could sell this piece for $1000USD no problem and still come in well under a pair of RND 543s and way under the anamod tape sim. I'd pay it no questions asked. Think it over man, whole point of a forum is get customer feedback and I think a few of them are asking. Best of luck, really looking forward to it! Thank you for your input, my $400 price point for the first year is firm. My reasoning for going desktop format has nothing to do with cost. The market is full of consoles at every turn, they would present the same set of issues for any person who has limited mixing station space. Zulu is smaller than an 8 channel console. It can be pulled out during tracking and mixing and put away when it's not needed by the same gesture. I have over 22 years of experience under my belt as a recording engineer and record producer, I'm stocked with loads of analog equipment in my racks, plus I have more friends than I can count who are OUT of rack space but want more gear. LOL Trust me we aren't going to sell off the gear we have to add something else and God forbid we build new rooms for more gear! I'm sorry if the format presents you with a problem. I greatly appreciate your interest in the development and discussion of this product, you have to understand my stance, for every knock against the format, I get 10 kudos for it.  If I were to make this thing a rack space unit and make it ergonomically similar it would require a 4 space RU. No way would I want somebody to have a different experience because they spent more money for a rack and then lose the ease of use. Thanks |
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 3, 2015 21:43:24 GMT -6
If this does as advertised and at only 400 bucks you can bet your ass I'll make room for it
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 5, 2015 19:04:11 GMT -6
Yeah - I don't have any more RACK space.
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