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Post by sll on Nov 2, 2015 7:48:24 GMT -6
I have not priced them out yet. They will probably be in line with red dots. I need to get bulk pcbs made and finalize some of the parts. Hopefully, I will have them ready to roll out by the first of the year. I can build up a few here and there if needed though.
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Post by category5 on Nov 3, 2015 14:33:44 GMT -6
Very interested in these. I have a bunch of RCA branded 1731 I rather like. I have compared them to the GAR1731 and find that the Melcors are a little browner, and more rounded off. darker. The GAR1731 is a great sounding op-amp, but always felt a little closer to the 2520 to me than the genuine Melcors. i'm sure that has to do with component choices since there is some substitution needed to make these in the modern day.
The GAR op amps are a fun build for anyone with good enough eyes, or a decent lighted magnifier and they sound great. I have yet to try Scott's op-amps, but there is pretty much a consensus that they are about the best you can get in a 2520 footprint. one of these days when the kids go to bed early....
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 5, 2015 10:50:48 GMT -6
Anyone with these (Dan) tried with different combination. Red dot in slll 1731 out or visa versa in eq comp pre ? I know there not many out yet just askin or (JK)
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 6, 2015 14:02:49 GMT -6
I just wanted to jump in here and let you guys know I'm going to be trying Scotts 1731's in my VP28's on the buss and also my FC526 on instruments in the next day. If you've got any request's on which instruments and such for the 526 let me know, I think John has already got the VOX covered extremely well. Really looking forward to seeing how this Opamp sounds in person and where it's sweet spot is going to live. I'll be sure to get some files for you guys just as John did. Until then!
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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 6, 2015 15:44:02 GMT -6
I have been doing some more testing with these today as well. I tried them in some of my Access 312 pre (killer pres) and in the CAPI 526 comp. I only have 2 extras so I wasn't able to try all three in the 526 comp. But I will say I prefer the 1731 in the first two spots of the 526 compared to the all Red Dot version. The differences are not subtle and it depends on what you are going for. Both sound really great. The 1731's seem to be more even across the freq and natural sounding with a really solid and tight lowend. Just like in my summing section I really like the blend of the 2 opamps.
In a mic pre the Red Dots are more froward in the speakers. This is probably because the Red Dots are more midrange forward. The 1731's are more even and natural, balanced comes to mind. Great for nice mics, great rooms and acoustic instruments and vocals.
Anyway, I am sold on these. It has been years since I have heard a opamp that I liked as much as the Red Dot and now I have another one to tailor sounds with. The hard part is figuring out which one in what piece of gear. I think I am getting closer to having that figured out.
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Post by mitchkricun on Nov 6, 2015 16:54:56 GMT -6
Has anyone tried these in an API 3124+? I know they're not out yet, but you never know. :-)
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 6, 2015 17:42:19 GMT -6
Ok I'll add to this post when I do some VP28 buss files, but wanted to put up what I had so far. These samples are from a FC526. The acoustic was tracked at Slack Key Studio ( Randge's studio) and the guitar was Randy's Hayes Acoustic, played by Nashville Picker Tim Galloway. https%3A//soundcloud.com/jeromemason/fc526-byphttps%3A//soundcloud.com/jeromemason/fc526-gar1731https%3A//soundcloud.com/jeromemason/fc526-sl1731-2https%3A//soundcloud.com/jeromemason/fc526-gar2520https%3A//soundcloud.com/jeromemason/fc526-slreddot
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 6, 2015 18:16:42 GMT -6
IMO so far with acoustic and the FC526 is that both of Scotts Opamps blow the Gar's away. There's a clarity in both of them that is really lacking in the Gar, and you heard that in Johns vocal samples as well. I think the Red Dot definitely has more bite to it and saturation, you can hear it in the very beginning of the track right after he hits the 1 and the compression starts to let go... there's a little grind in there. It's pick your poison between Scotts Opamps though, while the Gar is no slouch by any means, and definitely has it's place on some material, I'm really amazed at what Scott has been able to do here. I do love the punch of his new 1731. It'll be interesting how these go on the buss. I'm working on it! I might be able to get something up later this evening.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 6, 2015 19:16:00 GMT -6
Thanks for posting Jerome. I have a different option I prefer the thicker character of the GAR op amps on this source, acoustic guitar. I felt that the SL op amps had a bit too much smiley face EQ on them on this track. The more mid-focused GAR op amps were really pleasing to my ear on this guitar recording. YMMV it's fun to get geeky for sure. It's amazing what the 2520 op amp can do to a piece of equipment.
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Post by Randge on Nov 6, 2015 19:29:59 GMT -6
I like the Red Dot weight and depth. I can hear the whole chord in it. Btw, that sounds like my Wechter high strung, though...
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 6, 2015 20:15:30 GMT -6
the gar 1731 sounds cloudy compared to the SL's, that could be fine stand alone, but would be a problem with multiple tracks IMV, that said, man O man i love the red dots on acoustic guitar!! It just instantly puts me in the back seat of my Dads car listening to 70's guitar music, 2nd hand smoking cigarettes with no seatbelt! ahhh the good ole days 8)
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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 6, 2015 21:28:48 GMT -6
Ok I'll add to this post when I do some VP28 buss files, but wanted to put up what I had so far. These samples are from a FC526. The acoustic was tracked at Slack Key Studio ( Randge's studio) and the guitar was Randy's Hayes Acoustic, played by Nashville Picker Tim Galloway. You should try it with the SLL 1731 in the first 2 and the Red Dot in the output. BTW, sll what are you gonna call these things? Do you have any other fancy nail polish colors laying around or are you sticking with a 1731.
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 6, 2015 21:45:20 GMT -6
On the Mixbus.... SLL 1731's and there isn't any question. I'm editing a few projects right now, and just opened one up and slapped the VP28's with the SLL1731's on my 2-buss, and wow. I originally had a mixture of a Gar2520 in the input and a Gar1731 on the output, I was blown away by Scotts 1731's, just blown away. The amount of clarity and punch from those opamps is incredible. If someone wants to send me a track to push through them I'd be happy to.
I agree Tony and Randy, if I had to choose for tracking acoustic I'd go for the Red Dots, they really make it ballsy. But, what it does for acoustic, these 1731's are doing for my 2-buss, that's what analog in today's technology should sound like right there.
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Post by Randge on Nov 6, 2015 21:54:16 GMT -6
Yeah, I wouldn't want my buss as colored and the mix stage, so I am sure you're right on track, Jerome.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 6, 2015 22:07:11 GMT -6
Ok I'll add to this post when I do some VP28 buss files, but wanted to put up what I had so far. These samples are from a FC526. The acoustic was tracked at Slack Key Studio ( Randge's studio) and the guitar was Randy's Hayes Acoustic, played by Nashville Picker Tim Galloway. You should try it with the SLL 1731 in the first 2 and the Red Dot in the output. BTW, sll what are you gonna call these things? Do you have any other fancy nail polish colors laying around or are you sticking with a 1731. I vote for the continuing arbitrary naming theme, so how about "Green dots", then we'll sit back and wait to see how many copy cats name their copy's "green" whatever? and say "wha?.. wha?...., it was just a coincidence... really" haha the parts to make these old style op amps are not around anymore (and they fried themselves all the time anyway), so they need to be recreated by EAR, and IMO we should reward those who have the talent and drive to sit down and do the hard work to come up with these, so they will KEEP coming up with these! the great stuff is totally NOT EASY, and Scotts op amps are just killer, the API 2520's sound a joke in comparison IMO where's the pic of his op amp A/B'ing board? THATS WHAT I'M TALKIN BOUT!!!
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 6, 2015 23:29:49 GMT -6
I'd go with gold...... that's how these babies sound.... like gold. "Gold Dots" If it didn't need to by one syllable I'd say Platinum haha. Scott Liebers Gold Dot's Scott Liebers Green Dot's Green jacket, Gold Jacket who gives a sh*!
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 6, 2015 23:50:49 GMT -6
I'd go with gold...... that's how these babies sound.... like gold. "Gold Dots" If it didn't need to by one syllable I'd say Platinum haha. Scott Liebers Gold Dot's Scott Liebers Green Dot's Green jacket, Gold Jacket who gives a sh*! ahhh, but unless i'm mistaken.... , i believe Red, Blue and green can combine to create all colors.... right?
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 6, 2015 23:51:13 GMT -6
Scott's dots
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 6, 2015 23:54:09 GMT -6
now they know how many dot's it takes to fill the Albert hall....
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 7, 2015 5:31:05 GMT -6
I'd go with gold...... that's how these babies sound.... like gold. "Gold Dots" If it didn't need to by one syllable I'd say Platinum haha. Scott Liebers Gold Dot's Scott Liebers Green Dot's Green jacket, Gold Jacket who gives a sh*! ahhh, but unless i'm mistaken.... , i believe Red, Blue and green can combine to create all colors.... right? It's yellow, not green.
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Post by sll on Nov 7, 2015 9:31:48 GMT -6
Ok I'll add to this post when I do some VP28 buss files, but wanted to put up what I had so far. These samples are from a FC526. The acoustic was tracked at Slack Key Studio ( Randge's studio) and the guitar was Randy's Hayes Acoustic, played by Nashville Picker Tim Galloway. You should try it with the SLL 1731 in the first 2 and the Red Dot in the output. BTW, sll what are you gonna call these things? Do you have any other fancy nail polish colors laying around or are you sticking with a 1731. I'm trying to think of something different. I like the green dot idea Tony has then the 3 styles would make up RGB. A gold dot would be cool too, maybe gold member? Ha ha.
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Post by mitchkricun on Nov 7, 2015 14:36:33 GMT -6
Thanks to John and Jerome for posting these examples! The SLL1731's are (to me) definitely clearer and less compressed sounding in both examples. I did really like the saturation of the Red Dots in Jerome's clip. I've been been going back and forth trying to decide if I should sell my 3124+ and buy 4 CAPI's, or swap the op amps in it and see if it sounds less sterile than it does now. 2 channels of Red Dots and 2 channels of the 1731 could make for a pretty versatile box! But on the other hand... ;-)
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 7, 2015 15:07:52 GMT -6
Thanks to John and Jerome for posting these examples! The SLL1731's are (to me) definitely clearer and less compressed sounding in both examples. I did really like the saturation of the Red Dots in Jerome's clip. I've been been going back and forth trying to decide if I should sell my 3124+ and buy 4 CAPI's, or swap the op amps in it and see if it sounds less sterile than it does now. 2 channels of Red Dots and 2 channels of the 1731 could make for a pretty versatile box! But on the other hand... ;-) If you want that sound you should go with the Capi's. I had a 3124 and swapping the opamps while would surely help, still son't get you that sound. The good news is if you list it over on the purple site you'll get top dollar and probably have a good bit of cash left over.
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Post by mitchkricun on Nov 7, 2015 15:46:31 GMT -6
Thanks to John and Jerome for posting these examples! The SLL1731's are (to me) definitely clearer and less compressed sounding in both examples. I did really like the saturation of the Red Dots in Jerome's clip. I've been been going back and forth trying to decide if I should sell my 3124+ and buy 4 CAPI's, or swap the op amps in it and see if it sounds less sterile than it does now. 2 channels of Red Dots and 2 channels of the 1731 could make for a pretty versatile box! But on the other hand... ;-) If you want that sound you should go with the Capi's. I had a 3124 and swapping the opamps while would surely help, still son't get you that sound. The good news is if you list it over on the purple site you'll get top dollar and probably have a good bit of cash left over. I KNEW I should have went with the 10 slot lunchbox...! :-)
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 7, 2015 16:31:59 GMT -6
I'm gonna try and get some acoustic samples with the VL37 tonight...Maybe I'll throw the 1731's in the VP28 and compare them to the red dots too. I believe I have the only Purple dot that was ever made...
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