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Post by M57 on Sept 29, 2015 17:08:21 GMT -6
So I'm putting together a 'well-under' $2000 RealGear inspired vocal chain. I just purchased a Dizengoff D4 about a month ago, and a took delivery of a 3U Warbler MKID the other day for an invested total of ~$1100. Looking to finish it off with a comp with the idea of taking just a 'tad off the top' on the way in. Nothing dramatic dynamically, but I would like to have color options if at all possible, with 'clean/transparent' being the most valued.
So my top candidates are the (LA-2A-style?) Dizengoff D864, and the 1176-style Warm WA76, either of which (at $600-700) easily keeps the total under $2000. The WA76 is already a 'proven' winner, while the D864 is a bit of an unknown, but that is not really part of my criteria. I'm much more interested in getting the right comp type, and what I read both here and elsewhere is conflicting. Also open to other models, but I would like a meter and prefer a 2U rack-mount unit.
Thoughts/Comments/Suggestions?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 29, 2015 18:13:03 GMT -6
I would try to find a deal on a Summit TLA-100.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 29, 2015 18:17:48 GMT -6
CAPI FC526. You could buy for around $320 and pay Someone here to put it together. I think Joel Phillips charges $100. My FAVORITE tracking comp.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 29, 2015 18:26:26 GMT -6
I'm really curious about the D864, but I don't think it's in the LA2A camp, and I don't think it's in the clean/transparent camp either. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by M57 on Sept 29, 2015 18:31:26 GMT -6
CAPI FC526. You could buy for around $320 and pay Someone here to put it together. I think Joel Phillips charges $100. My FAVORITE tracking comp. That's 500 series, right? I'm not really set up for that. I'd need a lunchbox, etc.??
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Post by M57 on Sept 29, 2015 18:34:36 GMT -6
I would try to find a deal on a Summit TLA-100. It would have to be quite the 'deal' - They're $2K new. Mind you, I'm not a DIYer either - I'm strictly a plug and play kind of guy.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 29, 2015 18:38:45 GMT -6
I would try to find a deal on a Summit TLA-100. It would have to be quite the 'deal' - They're $2K new. Mind you, I'm not a DIYer either - I'm strictly a plug and play kind of guy. TLA-100 sells between $900 and $1100 normally on the used market.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 29, 2015 18:50:43 GMT -6
The Dizengoff 864 is a vari mu and not like an la2a but Matt has added some new features: growl and glow.
So maybe you should demo one before you make a final decision ?
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Post by kidvybes on Sept 29, 2015 20:49:57 GMT -6
So I'm putting together a 'well-under' $2000 RealGear inspired vocal chain. I just purchased a Dizengoff D4 about a month ago, and a took delivery of a 3U Warbler MKID the other day for an invested total of ~$1100. ...I'd love to hear that MKID thru the Dizengoff on your voice...be sure to post a few soundclips (maybe with different voice and polar pattern settings) if not here, over on the 3U Audio thread...good luck and enjoy! BTW, if there isn't an affordable LA2A/3A option, I'd suggest waiting because I'm sure they are in the works (waiting on the STAM Audio SA2A reviews to come in)...not a particular fan of the WARM WA76 on vocals...
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 29, 2015 21:14:08 GMT -6
I think the 864 is inspired by a Federal compressor. Can't remember which one. Matt and I had a brief convo about it, but it's going to be more smooth and lazy than some of the other's you've mentioned, and I don't say that as anything bad, not at all. That's what I want on Vocals..... nice slow release so it sounds beefed but totally natural.
I built AC's 2 channel 176 but haven't figured out where I'm getting a pure ground loop somewhere, not buzz, but just solid BUMUZZZZZZZZ. I think because mine is a REV 2 and there isn't much docs on it I can't find the right jumper diagrams, one day I'll trace it down.
You could get a Pro VLA and change the tubes, IC stages and the AC coupling caps and have a really nice comp, maybe $400 all said and done? 2 channels too.
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Post by M57 on Sept 30, 2015 4:52:44 GMT -6
...I'd love to hear that MKID thru the Dizengoff on your voice...be sure to post a few soundclips (maybe with different voice and polar pattern settings) if not here, over on the 3U Audio thread...good luck and enjoy! There are six possible configurations between the three voicings and three polar patterns, but I really have to do it anyway. I'm on the backside of a cold these days, so it might be a week or two before I give it a go.
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Post by lpedrum on Sept 30, 2015 12:46:39 GMT -6
CAPI FC526. You could buy for around $320 and pay Someone here to put it together. I think Joel Phillips charges $100. My FAVORITE tracking comp. Can you give a bit more detailed explanation of why you love the CAPI FC526 John? I'm unclear as to what it's based on (API?) or what it sounds like. I've built a VP26 and a Lola, but this build scares me a little as the CAPI site says its an advanced build.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 13:43:29 GMT -6
Honestly, after owning a TLM49, a TLM103 and the TLM102 I would at least try the 102 out. It's a really nice mic that can also close mic a snare drum (I don't ever do this but you could). I also on the budget friendly side of things really like the CAD E100 if you can find one.
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Post by M57 on Sept 30, 2015 14:34:36 GMT -6
Honestly, after owning a TLM49, a TLM103 and the TLM102 I would at least try the 102 out. It's a really nice mic that can also close mic a snare drum (I don't ever do this but you could). I also on the budget friendly side of things really like the CAD E100 if you can find one. Sounds like it could be a winner, but as I mentioned in my original post, I've already purchased a 3U mic. If it doesn't work out I may move on and the TLM and Mictek are candidates in that price range, but for now, it's comp I'm after.
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Post by kidvybes on Sept 30, 2015 15:37:53 GMT -6
Honestly, after owning a TLM49, a TLM103 and the TLM102 I would at least try the 102 out. It's a really nice mic that can also close mic a snare drum (I don't ever do this but you could). I also on the budget friendly side of things really like the CAD E100 if you can find one. I think he did much better with the multi-pattern, multi-voiced 3U Audio MKID than he would have done spending twice the price for a cardioid only, transformer-less, SMT-built LDC mic with a budget-level capsule...does the TLM102 sound good?...yes, nice mic...$700 good?...not in my opinion...if it did not have a "N" badge on it, it's a $200 mic all day... You might do well to look into what 3U Audio Pty Ltd is offering in terms of completely hand-soldered/assembled LDC mics featuring proprietary custom capsules and transformers, all built in their own facility, with very strict QC, very much the way the Germans built mics 20-30 years ago...
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Post by Randge on Sept 30, 2015 15:44:37 GMT -6
Miktek C1, (same as the C7 without all the patterns) which is $599.00 and an Ingram 575 single slot 500 series channel strip for $1,000. That leaves you money for a Radial 3 slot lunchbox and still coming in under $2,000.00. All of that recommended gear is very formidable and anyone with any engineering talent can make beautiful recordings with that chain.
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Post by formatcyes on Sept 30, 2015 15:57:27 GMT -6
Miktek C1, (same as the C7 without all the patterns) which is $599.00 and an Ingram 575 single slot 500 series channel strip for $1,000. That leaves you money for a Radial 3 slot lunchbox and still coming in under $2,000.00. All of that recommended gear is very formidable and anyone with any engineering talent can make beautiful recordings with that chain. That's great and all but what's the no talent version?
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Post by Randge on Sept 30, 2015 16:01:09 GMT -6
Free. Internship with a good engineer willing to teach for about a year.
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Post by LesC on Sept 30, 2015 17:10:27 GMT -6
Free. Internship with a good engineer willing to teach for about a year. Are you volunteering?
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Post by M57 on Sept 30, 2015 18:13:14 GMT -6
Miktek C1, (same as the C7 without all the patterns) which is $599.00 and an Ingram 575 single slot 500 series channel strip for $1,000. That leaves you money for a Radial 3 slot lunchbox and still coming in under $2,000.00. All of that recommended gear is very formidable and anyone with any engineering talent can make beautiful recordings with that chain. That's great and all but what's the no talent version? Right, thanks for reminding me.. I need the no talent stuff.
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Post by Randge on Sept 30, 2015 18:48:05 GMT -6
Free. Internship with a good engineer willing to teach for about a year. Are you volunteering? I have had interns before and we are slam booked up, so if you want to intern, I can do my part.
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Post by LesC on Sept 30, 2015 22:59:44 GMT -6
I have had interns before and we are slam booked up, so if you want to intern, I can do my part. Wow, I wish I had an offer like that about 45 years ago!
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Post by Ward on Oct 1, 2015 6:59:42 GMT -6
I have had interns before and we are slam booked up, so if you want to intern, I can do my part. Wow, I wish I had an offer like that about 45 years ago! I took a guy up on an offer like that 35 years ago when I was 14 and he gave me gas money for my dirt bike that I used to get to and from. And now look at all the money I've spent on this lousy habit/profession!!
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Post by LesC on Oct 1, 2015 7:29:12 GMT -6
Wow, I wish I had an offer like that about 45 years ago! I took a guy up on an offer like that 35 years ago when I was 14 and he gave me gas money for my dirt bike that I used to get to and from. And now look at all the money I've spent on this lousy habit/profession!! Well, I'm still spending on it. The difference is you actually know what you're doing.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 1, 2015 8:50:42 GMT -6
I like the Dizengoff D4 as a preamp a lot. It's first class for sure, and isn't just one more Nevish or API-ish box. Warm Audio's WA76 is a winner, but I prefer an 1176 on a bass or a strummy acoustic guitar track, don't love it on vocal tracks. I have the Warm EQP-1A now, and it's just the sweetest thing. I use it on every track I can, but judiciously.
I've been surprised that there are so many new and vintage style preamps and compressors that are priced fro $200-#1,000, yet no one seems to have made a reasonably priced LA2A clone or a $699 Sta-Level style compressor. If the Dizengoff has a sound that works in the way a Sta or LA2A, work for vocals, it'll fly off the shelves.
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