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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 26, 2015 14:47:29 GMT -6
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Post by b1 on Sept 26, 2015 14:53:44 GMT -6
2 words... Tar & Feather
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Post by b1 on Sept 26, 2015 15:09:49 GMT -6
So, basically, everyone is complaining while uploading their work to Pandora... sounds about right.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 26, 2015 17:13:04 GMT -6
The myth of "exposure..."
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Post by b1 on Sept 27, 2015 6:34:42 GMT -6
There's not enough unity among artists to amount to a hill of beans. The scattered herd can be wrangled up and branded easily by the likes of Pandora. Too bad the local AFM unions are dues collectors only. It all amounts to "go along to get along". Still, the words "billions of dollars" and "Pandora" are found in the same paragraph... And everyone continues to belly ache.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 27, 2015 7:50:03 GMT -6
If every artist signing a contract insisted their material NOT be put on a streaming website, that would change everything. It would be like boycotting the IRS, everyone has to do it or it won't work.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 27, 2015 8:51:58 GMT -6
The problem is that managers and lawyers will sign away everything for the biggest possible advance.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 27, 2015 9:06:21 GMT -6
Nearly every writer that has a deal, doesn't have a say in whether their material is on there. The Publishers control that.
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Post by phrazemaster on Sept 28, 2015 0:34:21 GMT -6
This is so disheartening. I was already grousing about iTunes $0.99/song, with Apple keeping 20-30% off the top. As if all our hard work is worth 79 cents...sucks to try to make money from business being a writer right now...
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 28, 2015 9:22:31 GMT -6
I just read that apparently more income came from vinyl last year than from streaming!
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2015 13:39:00 GMT -6
Songwriter's are going to have to unionize.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2015 13:43:42 GMT -6
But we can't, because it's "illegal"? WTF? Here's an excerpt from a blog... - It is illegal for songwriters to unionize. Did you picture a bunch of songwriters sitting around whining and then reading your post and going, “Shit! Why didn’t we think of that!?!?” Let’s form a union, guys! And thanks for the tip, Bob.” Think about it… Who employs songwriters? Songwriters are unlike singers and musicians and dancers who provide contract labor. We work entirely on spec. Unless someone hires us to write a song (a “work for hire”), there’s no contract, no employer, no upfront money. So we fall into a category considered by the government to be un-unionizable. The closest things we have to unions are our performance rights societies (ASCAP, BMI, etc) and since those are considered monopolies by the US government, the Dept of Justice would squash ANY attempt at a unilateral move in a fucking minute! So, no, we can’t go on strike. wearesona.com/sonablog/ |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 28, 2015 14:46:16 GMT -6
ASCAP is a union! BMI was created to break it.
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Post by mobeach on Sept 28, 2015 15:27:04 GMT -6
Nearly every writer that has a deal, doesn't have a say in whether their material is on there. The Publishers control that. Wow what a deal! Can't even control what they do with YOUR property. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 28, 2015 15:31:25 GMT -6
Well, if you're a signed writer, you only "own" as much as your contract dictates. It's not uncommon at all in Nashville deals for the publisher to own 100%. In fact, co-pub deals are only when you've had several hits and have some leverage.
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Post by b1 on Sept 28, 2015 23:21:34 GMT -6
Bill-"bored" deleted the negative comments about Pandora... Deleted the whole Disqus section.
EDIT: They're back up.
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Post by jeromemason on Sept 29, 2015 21:58:13 GMT -6
I stopped reading here "Pandora argues that “all evidence indicates that the overwhelming majority of Americans cannot, or will not, pay a monthly subscription fee.”
All americans had no problems paying for $21.99 CD's from Walmart when that was the only option. I remember in high school we would save our money when we knew an album was coming out so we could buy it. This is all being made up as they go a long. Cut off the "free water supply" and see how many start mowing yards and doing odd jobs to make enough to buy it. Their research is bogus, there is no way that anyone they are talking to can be totally honest because it is, unfortunately free at this time. If Pandora were to put a fee in place, and all of the other streaming did the exact same, people would be PISSED, but, they would start paying again.
Music is part of the soul, it's almost like water, people are going to get it when they're thirsty whether it's free or not.
I still don't understand why people like the Napster guy feel like music should be free, it's not free to make it, why should something that cost's a lot of money to make be given away? Where is the sense of accomplishment of causing people that were making a living in this to file for bankruptcy? Did they just think they were hurting big record companies? These are supposed to be smart people that can do things like this, come up with complex computer programs to do this type of thing, but have they never heard of trickle down economics? It's ego, they are the ones that did this, got famous for it, but destroyed a lot of families in the process.
I'm glad to see some action being taken and some awareness happening now though. Normal people are able to hear about the struggle now, and that is a good thing for us.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 30, 2015 10:24:03 GMT -6
I did read it and I cant hide that I start to hate those kind of CEOs.
Same goes with that sucker by Spotify - already forgot his name.
Same is true for Larry Page, saw him in Germany talking to the secondary Bundeskanzler.
If you think about it all those companies from Facebook over Spotify to Google.
They all make a shit lot of money with content they never paid a single cent for.
In my opinion, at least here in Europe, the labels do not take care for their writers otherwise they would go in union with them.
They just sell the music as good as they can, without knowing that they ruin it for all of us.
Its time to find a solution for this.
I am following this discussion now for 20 years.
It time to make point...
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Post by formatcyes on Sept 30, 2015 14:29:16 GMT -6
Start a streaming service that returns 95% of the revenue to the artists/creators. Content is king the other services only get away with this behavior because we use them, they know this but constantly babble about how it should be free to keep there profits up. Take away our content and see the value of their sites...
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 30, 2015 17:37:25 GMT -6
I believe there was some attempt at a universal song collective or something, but it failed. Why can't we form some non-profit that would act as the central place to pay for streaming music?
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