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Post by ericn on Dec 13, 2015 21:15:56 GMT -6
you guys should add dsub passive summing. it would only cost a few more bucks and it doesnt take up much space. i think it would open up a whole new market for you. At this point it would cost a bundle !
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Post by porkyman on Dec 13, 2015 21:31:50 GMT -6
you guys should add dsub passive summing. it would only cost a few more bucks and it doesnt take up much space. i think it would open up a whole new market for you. At this point it would cost a bundle ! you mean to take it back to prototype? maybe Silver Bullet XL model then. different version.
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Post by ericn on Dec 13, 2015 21:48:06 GMT -6
At this point it would cost a bundle ! you mean to take it back to prototype? maybe Silver Bullet XL model then. different version. [br Yes and maybe in the distance future , a new design and carrying another model cost money! This isn't Harmon, This is pretty much Brad betting his life! The worst thing for a small company is the internet rethinking what the product should be rather than what it is. Don't get me wrong, I have pissed off a lot of manufacturers by telling them what was wrong with there new product, but then they asked my opinion! This thing is pretty different from anything else out there. Plus adding summing gets you classified as a summing box at unfortunately that feature instantly means a large amount customers put it in the no box!
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Post by drbill on Dec 13, 2015 22:38:36 GMT -6
At this point it would cost a bundle ! you mean to take it back to prototype? maybe Silver Bullet XL model then. different version. Initially - very early on - an integrated summing solution was on the table and considered. After extensive testing on both Brad's and my part, we dropped it. We both feel that summing MINUS MOJO makeup gain is a phantom solution - not substantially different than what the Silver Bullet does on the two bus by itself. Why add additional cost in DA/AD and wiring, as well as additional cost to the SB? Of course "summing OTB" is the current hot buzzword - but without discrete electroncs and transformers on every input - i.e. something that is FAR from passive - we believe that the cost to benefit ratio is not there. Comparatively speaking, passive summing OTB is just not that beneficial sonically over summing ITB and having a MOJO inducing box on the two bus. Go ahead and do a test - sum OTB with no mojo inducing box, and then sum ITB with something like the SB on the 2 bus. It should be noted though that we have not left out those with passive summing boxes or even consoles. The Silver Bullet is designed to work with both. On the passive end, the SB has a "Folcrom" mode that you can employ with your passive summers if you wish to. In our opinion, having MOJO *somewhere* in the pathway IS extremely beneficial - but having passive summing is not critical unless you need the inserts, aux sends, etc. that any particular solution may bring. We both believe that the SB *tone* and workflow brings much more sonically to the table than passive or or other inexpensive based summing solutions - of which there are many - no need for another. Controversial? Perhaps. But more and more people are coming to the same conclusion. Add to that the cost of 8-16-24+ channels of quality AD/DA and wiring and patch bays and the "simple box", "simple workflow" idea gets thrown out the window. (I've got 48 channels of quality i/o, interfacing, wiring and patch bays at the studio, and that cost SWAMPS the cost of even TWO-THREE Silver Bullets.) Something to consider - recording workflow. Usually, SUMMING OTB is the LAST stage of a production scenario - and if you're waiting to get your signal path together until that point, you're going to be leaving a lot of missed love on the table. The Silver Bullet is designed to be used at EVERY production stage from the moment you first plug in a mic, keyboard, drum machine, tape machine, console, mic pre or any other device. It's designed to be an integral piece at every production juncture. That's far beyond the scope of a summing box. The Silver Bullet IS what it is. We're proud and 100% satisfied with what it does, how it sounds, and how it transforms mixes. Check out the manual and my application notes on the LTL website. You might find it interesting. Even without summing... :-) Thanks for the comments.
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Post by winetree on Dec 13, 2015 22:52:51 GMT -6
Any audio samples of what the Silver Bullet sounds like? Maybe a mix with/without.
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Post by drbill on Dec 13, 2015 22:57:49 GMT -6
PS - the Silver Bullet is kind of an old school console-esque mojo device without all the hardware. Those old school consoles have more gain stages than you can shake a stick at. Much more than just cutting a simple mic pre to tape or DAW. And that old school console design is VERY different than what a passive summing box is. The Silver Bullet is designed to play CATCH-UP, getting you back up to snuff in the added gain stages department. It's not meant to be "thrown on at the end of a mix". It's a production device that's meant to be used all along the way. Even after your favorite mic pre. After your Kontakt instantiation before printing to audio. Etc.. Do that and you'll notice a HUGE change in your recordings. <thumbsup>
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Post by drbill on Dec 13, 2015 23:01:55 GMT -6
Any audio samples of what the Silver Bullet sounds like? Maybe a mix with/without. If you know what a classic API or Neve 80 series console sounds like, you'll have a pretty good idea of what the Silver Bullet sounds like. Although not a "clone" in any sense of the word - ergonomically or sonically - there's definitely that heritage that is unmistakeable. Brad has some things planned for the future demo-wise, but both of us feel that a hands on experience is 1000% better than video clips or audio clips on the internet. Just as in mics, you can't really judge by internet clips of sources you don't know and are not intimate with. That's part of the reason LTL has set a 14 day "no questions asked" return policy. It allows for a long term audition. We don't expect many returns. :-) Again, in reference to my above post, where you REALLY start to feel things in not slapping it on a finished mix and cranking it, but instead, employing it throughout the production process. That's probably the tact we'll take when we get to the demo video stage.
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Post by porkyman on Dec 13, 2015 23:18:41 GMT -6
i wasnt suggesting there was anything wrong with the design, just that it would grab more attention if you could add "summing mixer," to the title. i think its perfect. especially for bedroom producers like me. i would have one but i already have 2 ez1073's. i would have to sell them, and then wait for it to get built and shipped etc. all that without having heard it or read a single review. im willing to trade though if anyone's interested.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 11:54:57 GMT -6
By all means! I believe I did express my hatred of the look of it but I will without a doubt be purchasing a line amp tone thingy like the CAPI or this. $1700 isn't a bad price but the Canadian dollar just took another massive blow and it's definitely making the gear buyers wince out this way. Will be paying attention to the dollar and this unit and if they line up I will buy. I dig. You gotta see em in person though. Silver wouldn't have been my first choice either, but I'm actually very glad Brad stuck to his guns and made it happen exactly the way he did. It looks very cool - like a macbook air/pro. I love it. Being a mechanical / electronics engineer by trade, Brad is SUPER perfectionistic on both fronts, and the "look" of the unit is top notch and delayed it's birth for longer than I care to think about. IMO, the look is better than almost anything being released in 2015, although I must say that I am partial to stuff that looks like it was drug out of a 1950's broadcast studio basement. Hence my customized photo-prototype Silver Bullet. I'll have to see if I can figure out how to post a pic here.... There's nothing we can do about the dollar to dollar interchange other than sell direct, try to keep the costs down and say "keep your eyes peeled". Cause if it doesn't get better..... But I can honestly say that the $1799US is a steal even if you're in CA. There's nothing else out there that can touch what this box does, and nothing even close quality construction wise. These days most pro audio comes from either the US or the EU, so the Canadian dollar situation is just unfortunate for you guys. I remember the day well not so long ago that the US dollar was completely tanked and the EU and AU guys were buying US gear up by the boatload. It really hurt when I sold my 480L and realized that the Swedish guy that bought it got it at about 40% off.... But that's economics I suppose. The pendulum swings both ways..... My eyes are peeled! I will definitely be on the lookout and hopefully this summer the dollar bounces back and I can grab one! Hope it does well!
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Post by mhbunch on Dec 14, 2015 18:39:24 GMT -6
Just to get back on topic here...
WHERE THE HECK IS THIS THING?!
I'm friggen drooling with anticipation over here! Sharing is caring, duders. At least tell me how you guys are liking this EQ!
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Post by BradM on Dec 21, 2015 11:30:42 GMT -6
Just to get back on topic here... WHERE THE HECK IS THIS THING?! I'm friggen drooling with anticipation over here! Sharing is caring, duders. At least tell me how you guys are liking this EQ! Hi all! I'm so sorry I've been away from the discussion. I have finally come up for air after getting a bunch of Silver Bullets out the door. Phew. Glad to see this thread back on topic. jeromemason was the last to have the Chop Shop and should have shipped it to lonzob. If not then I suggest we commence public shaming. I need to update the map on my website, too. Thanks, guys! Brad
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Post by mhbunch on Jan 30, 2016 15:14:10 GMT -6
any update on this? has been over a month since last checked in
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Post by BradM on Jan 31, 2016 11:40:22 GMT -6
any update on this? has been over a month since last checked in The unit should be showing up for ianvoje any day now. lonzob - Let us know know what you thought. How did you use the Chop Shop while you had it? thanks, Brad
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Post by BradM on Mar 3, 2016 21:45:06 GMT -6
any update on this? has been over a month since last checked in Hey Mackenzie! There's a Chop Shop coming your way. ianvoje just finished up with it. Looking forward to him sharing his experience. Brad
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Post by mhbunch on Mar 4, 2016 11:33:56 GMT -6
any update on this? has been over a month since last checked in Hey Mackenzie! There's a Chop Shop coming your way. ianvoje just finished up with it. Looking forward to him sharing his experience. Brad Epic! Really stoked to check this guy out.
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Post by BradM on Mar 19, 2016 16:17:44 GMT -6
Did you get it?
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Post by mhbunch on Mar 20, 2016 1:09:52 GMT -6
Got it yesterday! Still recovering from a sinus surgery I had on Thursday but I'll get a chance to play with it this week and post my thoughts up on here
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Post by mhbunch on Apr 20, 2016 9:48:17 GMT -6
Can't believe it's been a month already but I did have some time to play with this thing. Used it on a drum session and it was great to put a little more meat on the snare with the focus!
Anywho, where should I send this to now?
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Post by toolboxmuziq on Jun 11, 2016 21:25:01 GMT -6
Is it my turn yet? ?
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Post by mhbunch on Jun 12, 2016 11:47:03 GMT -6
Is it my turn yet? ? Still waiting for an address to send it to
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Post by BradM on Jun 14, 2016 11:57:23 GMT -6
Hey guys,
I'm so sorry I've been MIA. Life got a little overwhelming with a house sale and a move. Email me and I'll get you the info for the next person on the list.
Thanks! Brad
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Post by BradM on Jun 15, 2016 10:24:29 GMT -6
Okay. Back on track. mhbunch is about to send the unit to forgottengI just added kilroyrock and hasbeen to the list in the original post. Welcome to the party, guys. thanks, Brad
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Post by BradM on Jul 6, 2016 10:55:35 GMT -6
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Post by forgotteng on Jul 14, 2016 9:05:40 GMT -6
Yes, sorry guys it has been a busy few weeks with a lot of live shows. I have used the Chop Shop on a few items and I really dig it. I'm pretty sure I need a pair. I am looking forward to using it on a few mixes this week.
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Post by toolboxmuziq on Aug 1, 2016 23:16:32 GMT -6
Update please! Kinda anxious to check out this thing
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