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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 2, 2015 12:20:39 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 2, 2015 12:20:50 GMT -6
Not that Shannon is fat...
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Post by Shannon on Aug 2, 2015 12:28:59 GMT -6
Not that Shannon is fat... Yea that what it looked like |
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Post by wiz on Aug 2, 2015 16:45:38 GMT -6
Remind me to tell you my story about a work mate... need to do it in person Shannon 8) cheers Wiz Damn that microphone of yours BITES!!! JohnkennNeed to put a failsafe on the power supply 8) |
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Post by category5 on Aug 4, 2015 21:20:35 GMT -6
Damn! Missed this. The Shannon Rhodes K47 capsule sounds killer! (like we all knew it would). When does volume production start, bro?! About that electrocution bit, I started putting a warning on my PSUs to the effect of "plug it all in before applying power, and disconnect power before removing cable OR you will get zapped". Tubes are extremely high impedance until the filament gets sufficiently warm, so electrons look for an easier path to ground. Sucks when it's you! Yes, this is big volts too. It's not like getting zapped with 120VAC (or even 240). Without a mic connected we are talking over 300VDCDC so it basically feels like your arm is being pulled into The Matrix. I have been zapped, as has Tony. We three are now electron brothers. Good times. I love the sound of the cap, Shannon. Way to keep your reputation solid!  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 4, 2015 22:16:21 GMT -6
just listened to this with still a bit crackly ears, My take, the blueline has more of that 47 electric air, the SR is smmmmooooothhhh and slightly rolled up high, there is also the 2k range dip that makes the low mids seem more present on the SR cap, that said, I would use Shannoman's cap on an acoustic/vox track for JK's vox immediately, the blueline seems it would jump right into a busy mix with some simple high pass/low shelving. Both sound excellent to me. Ultimately, i'd take Shanns capsule, the smoooveness is just too nice! but I'd probably have it customized slightly different for my taste. It's amazing that he can dial caps like that!
You are the man dude!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 4, 2015 22:27:27 GMT -6
I just sang an uncompressed, compressed, more compressed snippet of the mic through the VP28 with Litz/Heider/Helios with the FC526...and it's freaking awesome. I can post if you guys are interested. Here's a tune that I just finished - kind've a finished product with the SRk47 cap on vox. BTW - category5 and others - are you guys getting any noise from the RCA goldtips? I'm getting the occasional whooshing and then it settles down...that normal or does it mean they're on their way out? https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/anywhere-it-goes-final |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 4, 2015 22:36:22 GMT -6
I just did sang an uncompressed, compressed, more compressed snippet of the mic through the VP28 with Litz/Heider/Helios with the FC526...and it's freaking awesome. I can post if you guys are interested. Here's a tune that I just finished - kind've a finished product with the SRk47 cap on vox. BTW - category5 and others - are you guys getting any noise from the RCA goldtips? I'm getting the occasional whooshing and then it settles down...that normal or does it mean they're on their way out? https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/anywhere-it-goes-finalgood song man! |
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Post by category5 on Aug 4, 2015 23:19:37 GMT -6
I just sang an uncompressed, compressed, more compressed snippet of the mic through the VP28 with Litz/Heider/Helios with the FC526...and it's freaking awesome. I can post if you guys are interested. Here's a tune that I just finished - kind've a finished product with the SRk47 cap on vox. BTW - category5 and others - are you guys getting any noise from the RCA goldtips? I'm getting the occasional whooshing and then it settles down...that normal or does it mean they're on their way out? https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/anywhere-it-goes-finalCatchy tune! I haven't had issues with the RCAs but I have been using the Ericssons. That sounds like the type of thing that the WEs do, but usually things quiet down considerably after about 48 hours of break in. Unfortunately break in requires that the mic be passing an actual signal. Just powering it up doesn't do it. I guess it takes a signal to burn the initial layer of electrons off. Do you have another set of 408A to try? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 5, 2015 0:39:08 GMT -6
Still interested in hearing about the price. We know that the Thiersch costs just under 300 dollars. Is the SRK47 in this price range? More expensive? Cheaper? last time i bought a blueline it was closer to $400 usd. cant speak to cost of shanns stuff. |
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Post by category5 on Aug 5, 2015 7:21:23 GMT -6
Still interested in hearing about the price. We know that the Thiersch costs just under 300 dollars. Is the SRK47 in this price range? More expensive? Cheaper? last time i bought a blueline it was closer to $400 usd. cant speak to cost of shanns stuff. Yeah. With exchange rates, shipping and mount Bluelines are about $400. Obviously the euro can change that a little bit. Neumann gets $680 for their capsule without the mount, but it is also an amazing cap. Dany B has just about got his M7 dialed in too, but without a price, and while I have very little direct experience, Heiserman is well regarded for his K47. That said, I'm ready to experience the SRK47 asap. What I've heard sounds great. Also it needs to be said that, while Tim Campbell doesn't make a center terminated capsule I am aware of, his CT12 is in a class of its own. If not the sweetest capsule I've heard it is certainly in that class. Care to expand into the 47 market, Tim? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 5, 2015 7:43:27 GMT -6
I am just going to burn my credit card now  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 5, 2015 7:53:42 GMT -6
Can't wait to see Shannon again and get some advice on my UM-17 Blueline. I only listened at low level through headphones, so I may update my opinion later..
Take two was definitely smoother, but in the cans, it felt a bit muffled. Take 1, with the Blueline has that uncomfortable edge to it,, but along with that comes an amazing realness, every nuance and detail gets translated to your tracks. So, it's not an easy call, I'll be back for round 2 in a bit ...
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Post by svart on Aug 5, 2015 8:00:12 GMT -6
I'll bring my U47 with blueline to Nashvegas for the meetup in October and we can shoot it out. It has AMI replica transformer and russian styrene and PIO caps.
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Post by kidvybes on Aug 5, 2015 8:20:46 GMT -6
From my understanding, I think that the details pertaining to the unique capsule service that Shannon provides needs to be clarified once again...while the other capsule manufacturers mentioned offer their capsules for retail purchase, to be mounted by the customer in their mic of choice, what Shannon offers is an entirely different service...Shannon, as far as I've been made aware, has no intention of selling capsules individually, as that defeats the purpose of his skillset...with Shannon's service, you send him the specific mic (and PSU if a tube mic) and you specifically describe what your voicing preferences are...Shannon will then, either rebuild (strip down, re-machine and re-skin) the existing capsule, or provide an entirely new capsule and proceed to tune the capsule in the mic based upon the clients requirements...there's no room for mis-matched pairings of capsule and mic, as the capsule is tuned specifically to perform to the client's satisfaction in the very mic provided...
So, you are not just purchasing a stock capsule with a pre-determined voicing, but rather paying to have Shannon construct and tune a single capsule specifically to perform as required in your mic of choice...so this service is in no way "cookie-cutter" or OEM (not disrespect intended to those who provide high-quality retail capsule product) but rather a one-off voicing of the microphone provided for the service...from my experience, not only was the capsule rebuilt and voicing dialed-in beautifully, but the mic's circuitry, as well as the PSU was vetted and tweaked as needed, cables were tested and ends re-soldered, all in the effort to assure that the best possible performance was achieved in providing me with my requested voicing...in this case, my Dany Bouchard D-M269c was sonically matched to a pristine original Neumann by Shannon and the results are just beautiful...
It would be unfair to all parties concerned to directly compare what Shannon provides to most other respected capsule builders (while I'm sure there are others offering somewhat similar service)...appropriately, pricing is not directly comparable to the simple purchasing of a pre-manufactured capsule...Shannon's services are obviously more costly, but IMHO, worth every penny!...they don't call him "Sinsay" for no good reason...
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Post by kidvybes on Aug 5, 2015 9:54:20 GMT -6
Most manufacturers of capsules that I know, including myself, will rebuild or build from scratch a capsule to suit a customer's preference and we post prices for this service on our websites. This is true of most repair services also unless there are mitigating circumstances. I can understand that if additional work is necessary that it might be hard to make a guesstimate. In this thread we are directly comparing Thiersch's capsule to Shannon's. Isn't there some ballpark figure so that people really lusting after this kind of quality know how long they need to save their pennies? Kidvybes, I do remember you writing on GS that Shannon's CK12 would cost about the same as Eric's and mine. "BTW, there's also Eric Heiserman's HK-12 and Shannon Rhoades (Mic Rehab) capsule-voicing mods, both available in a similar price range as the CT-12..." ...Yes Tim, and that mention referenced a simple re-voicing of the existing capsule, but again, still while the capsule is mounted in the specific microphone, not as a capsule you can mail-order for DIY mounting...seems that any mention of Shannon Rhoades gets under your thin-skin...I remember your specific request on GDIY for Eric Heiserman not to do a direct comparison of his then-new HK-12 to your CT12... ...as I stated in that thread you're referencing, I'm not sure it's a good look for you to be on the threads concerning other competitors' products and services... |
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Post by kidvybes on Aug 5, 2015 10:18:46 GMT -6
I simply asked what are the prices of both capsules. Is one 200 dollars and the other 1500 hundred dollars? It would help with the comparison. ...it helps in the comparison how?...does Thiersch offer that same service?...how do you fairly equate the two options?...by pricing? ...let me ask you, what is the price differential between simply purchasing your stock CT12 for my own DIY purposes, as opposed to sending you my MataChung C12 build and requesting a specific voicing and asking that you voice the capsule to that particular mic's circuit and mount the capsule as well as any minor tweaks you see fit to employ to best compliment the voicing?...a rough estimate would suffice...then I will tell you what I know to be Shannon's fees... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 5, 2015 10:51:13 GMT -6
I think it depends on how much work is involved. I know this capsule had 5 revisions over two weeks. I paid $800.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 5, 2015 10:53:07 GMT -6
I agree with vibes here, did anyone see what Shann did with littlesicilys Elam? Shannon is a one off, one at a time, mic wizard. I'm sure the prices he charges are contingent on the job at hand, and vary accordingly, people are looking for very highly specific work from him in general, it's pretty obvious, and obviously not cheap.
John asked Shann to dial him a k47 capsule, if john doesn't like it, Shann starts over, if john still doesn't like it, Shann starts over yet again! Etc.. So how much for the puppy in the window? Simply doesn't apply, seems pretty obvious to me.
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Post by kidvybes on Aug 5, 2015 10:57:03 GMT -6
Revoicing of any of my own capsules I do as a free service including return shipping most times. My price for revoicing/membraning a capsule is right on my webpage - 1600 Danish kroner (234 USD). Additional electronic work cost 350 danish kroner per hour (50 USD). ...Tim, I am not referring to "revoicing" one of your stock capsules that the client may or may not have been pleased with and sends back to you for that service...when I speak of Shannon's process of revoicing, I am referring to the rebuilding of the capsule (re-machining metalwork if needed also to include the fabrication of new retaining rings, re-skinning and then voicing the capsule's membranes), either as supplied by the client, a new donor capsule or possibly an entire newly-fabricated custom capsule...so your first statement, "Revoicing of any of my own capsules I do as a free service including return shipping most times.", is pretty much standard procedure with other capsule vendors I've done business with when concerning a stock capsule I've already purchased. ...from my experience with Shannon, his range is $600 if you supply the donor capsule, up to around $800 if he is to provide the capsule/metalwork...and that would be inclusive of most minor tweaks he sees fit to employ to best complete the requested service...if Shannon believes there are any major issues in terms of the mic and/or the PSU's construction or componentry that require addressing, he will make specific suggestions to correct those issues and quote them as separate optional services before proceeding...in my case, no additional fees were required for the mic he re-voiced for me... ...so, in reference to this specific comparison of the Thiersch Blueline and Shannon's custom voicing of John's MK-U47, how can you equate the two options?...clearly the pricing is diverse, but the services rendered are also quite different...one vendor is content to sell a standard issue, stock, high-quality product, while the other fabricates one specifically to conform to the client's specific requirements, removing the possibility of DIY errors or any other potential negative variable...in my own personal experience, I've decided the additional expense is money well spent, maybe not for every mic in my closet, but for the one or two that I want to be the best I can afford...with the cost of pristine originals hovering from the $6K to $12K range, $800 to dial in a voicing that closely emulates the sound of a collector's piece seems a relative bargain...of course, that's just my .02c... ...one of my MataChung C12 builds is patiently awaiting the same process afforded my M269c...saving pennies as I type... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 5, 2015 11:15:43 GMT -6
Yeah - I paid around $2000 for my MK-U47 including the Blueline. Wish I had just started with Shannon. So, I feel like I have a really, really good 47 for under $3k
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Post by kidvybes on Aug 5, 2015 11:42:47 GMT -6
Yeah - I paid around $2000 for my MK-U47 including the Blueline. Wish I had just started with Shannon. So, I feel like I have a really, really good 47 for under $3k ...hmmm...but from what I know the going rate of the MK-U47 w/Thiersch M7 ($3k+) to be, you initially paid about $1K less due to TonyCamp taking excellent care of you...you're way ahead of the curve John...and you can always sell the M7 if you chose and recover some cash... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 5, 2015 14:00:13 GMT -6
Yes - TONY IS THE EFFING BOMB.
Can I reiterate that either Tony or Shane are both first class builders...
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Post by Shannon on Aug 5, 2015 15:20:05 GMT -6
I gotta say Tony did a hell of a job on that build!!! Like a pro .. props
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 5, 2015 15:31:45 GMT -6
Fellas, let's remember where we are, Real Gear, not Gearslutz. I always hated that name.
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