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Post by mrholmes on Jul 25, 2015 16:56:56 GMT -6
RGOs.
That is something crazy.
I always like the synth pad in Stings Fields of Gold.
In this pad is HF Air its wide and open, but still in the background.
Now I have a mix which is similar to this arrangment.
The problem with the pad I have is, as soon I put back in some HF content I get the width but the pad jumps to the front. If I pull down the fader its too gentle.
Is there a trick how I can have the depth and the HF in the pad?
I like everything in the mix except the samll pad, it should be wider, opener but still in the back.
I tried a few things, diffrent modulation, delays but mh I am not happy.
Any hint is welcome...
Thanks Holmes.
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Post by wiz on Jul 25, 2015 17:37:43 GMT -6
Mid side compression?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 25, 2015 19:52:05 GMT -6
hi freq's will always raise a sound and pull it forward in the speakers, there are a couple ways to help the sitch you speak of..
try= run the pad in mono up the middle(i believe thats what's happening in the sting tune?),or just pull the left and right faders more toward center, filter off the top and bottom pretty far down and up respectively to drop the pad back in the speakers, but not too far, then try narrowly notching out the strong presence freq's 4-5k region to draw it back in the speakers a little more, then compress with fastest attack(should draw the sound back a little farther still), slowest release, set the threshold just low enough so it compresses all of the time, adjust the ratio to pack the sound tightly, usually no more than 2db, often less, use a vocal keyed compressor to simply duck the level of the pad 1-1.5db when the voxs are going to get it out of the way, now bring up the pad level to where you think it's just behind the vox in the image.
Here's the big one, send the sound to a stereo reverb and leave it's eq full range, then run the reverb through a sparkly chorus, and then use the waves widener plug(forgot the name?) to clean out the middle(like wiz suggested), adjust the level accordingly, and the sides should sound above the speakers and give you the effect you're looking for.... if that doesn't do it? i don't know what will 8)
edit; u prob figured this out, but I forgot to say "of the reverb" when I said "clean out the middle", that is hugely important to the idea, there is no point to what I said otherwise.
good luck man, let us know how you do
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 26, 2015 4:49:18 GMT -6
mhhh its sunday will try now sounds like work......arghhhhhhhhh
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Post by jazznoise on Jul 26, 2015 5:48:50 GMT -6
Good chance that there's some chorus and maybe some harmonizer on that pad.
I listened breifly and the band are much brighter than the pad. The pad has a nice bump around the 300-500Hz region to my ears - it's not a very sparkly pad, actually!
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 26, 2015 5:55:40 GMT -6
Thanks for all the help.... often the simple things are the solution. Absolutely the pad maybe is not sparkling, but it fakes the impression of HF content and beeing out of the way of the rest of the mix. I did try some of the hints which made more an impression of getting wired phase cancellation. So I did a Google search for MS Fader and came across this freebie.This thing lets you precisly adjust the m vs side levels and that was it, done. Its not 100% like in the Sting mix but very close in impression. Thnaks for all the hints I would have not done the search without it.  |
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