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Post by KJ on Jul 22, 2015 2:13:29 GMT -6
Attachment Deleted <---- This is my current set up. First of all I would like to confess that I have a very very limited knowledge in room acoustics and the current set up that I have is based on suggestions from GIK acoustics. Up until recently I had no problem with my room and thought there is nothing much I could do to make it sound better but about a week ago friend of mine who is currently working as an engineer came to audition the amphions and said that adding diffusers to the front wall might help the room to sound a little more natural and also help with the imaging. So I began looking into diffusers and did a bit of a research on it but I am still confused as hell as it seems that everyone has a different opinion regarding adding diffusers on a front wall. Does anyone have any experience with diffusers in their studio? What is it like to have them in your monitoring environment?
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Post by jazznoise on Jul 22, 2015 3:47:04 GMT -6
Well I'm not an expert but if I remember correctly it depends on the type of diffuser and the frequencies it diffuses at. A very shallow HF diffuser would be fine, but as you get lower it takes a physically longer distance for the diffuse field to actually manifest itself. If you're too close it will simply sound like more comb filter.
For my 1000Khz + diffuser I think the recommended distance is at least 1 metre, but since it's still doing some partial breakup of reflections as low as 500 I usually go further than that.
Diffusers on the rear wall is the usual practice I've seen. What's on your back wall?
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Post by KJ on Jul 22, 2015 4:17:36 GMT -6
I've got a few diffusers on the rear wall so I am covered there (I think). I was thinking about adding diffusers like this www.overtoneacoustics.com/SoundDiffuser to my front wall and conveniently my listening position is about 1.5 away from the front wall. Hmm...
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Post by stratboy on Jul 22, 2015 6:50:50 GMT -6
You might contact Joe Horner at acousticsfirst.com. Very knowledgeable guy. He helped me solve some tricky problems with my room. I have been very pleased with the results. No harm checking in with him. Tell him Spence sent you his way. He won't know stratboy from Adam :-)
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Post by Ward on Jul 22, 2015 7:12:22 GMT -6
Diffusers are absolutely BRILLIANT on your ceiling. They can extend your apparent ceiling height by 75%. Instead of having pads or bass traps over your head in your current set-up, replacing them with one big diffusor would do wonders.
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Post by KJ on Jul 22, 2015 7:23:39 GMT -6
Diffusers are absolutely BRILLIANT on your ceiling. They can extend your apparent ceiling height by 75%. Instead of having pads or bass traps over your head in your current set-up, replacing them with one big diffusor would do wonders. Really tempted to follow your advice but I am not sure if the ceiling will be able to withstand the weight of a large diffuser..
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Post by KJ on Jul 22, 2015 7:24:34 GMT -6
You might contact Joe Horner at acousticsfirst.com. Very knowledgeable guy. He helped me solve some tricky problems with my room. I have been very pleased with the results. No harm checking in with him. Tell him Spence sent you his way. He won't know stratboy from Adam :-) Awesome I will give him a buzz and see if I can get some advice!
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Post by M57 on Jul 22, 2015 8:26:36 GMT -6
Diffusers are absolutely BRILLIANT on your ceiling. They can extend your apparent ceiling height by 75%. Instead of having pads or bass traps over your head in your current set-up, replacing them with one big diffusor would do wonders. Is this true? Does anyone else here do this?
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 22, 2015 8:53:37 GMT -6
I predict the 2 things that are making u/ur pal unhappy are the drywall, and the carpet, cover the dry wall with wood, and put hardwood on the floor with some throw rugs, I would NOT put a diffusor on ur front wall, multiple repeats of smaller/deeper diffusers are more effective than a large single, but u need appropriate inverses to avoid lobing, how tall are ur ceilings? Ceilings are tricky, U need diffusion to be built quite deep for them to reach down low, u'd likely be better off with absorption overhead, and wood flooring/small throw rugs, no ceiling(100%absorbed, or REALLY TALL), is the best ceiling imo=air
Ur room takes on the character of the materials it's built with, primarily on its surfaces, but not totally,.. think about a concrete slab vs wood timbre floor, they sound quite diff no matter how they're finished on top.
good luck, u can also be confident that after u officially have ur bass problems resolved, if it sounds good to u?... It is good..
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Post by ericn on Jul 22, 2015 9:01:17 GMT -6
Best thing to do is hire somebody who knows what the are doing to help with your room. Over all I agree with Tony about th construction, but I have found in SOME ROOMS diffusion on the front wall works! Its not about what works for any of us its about what works for your room.
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 22, 2015 12:26:05 GMT -6
There is something about drywall that does make things weird. When I moved to Nashville the house we are in was built in 1925, so it's a plaster over the little wood strips. When I put my rig in up here things sounded immediately better, it felt like the sound was breathing instead of being trapped in the room if that makes any sense. I used FAR less absorption/diffusion here, just on the reflection points and a cloud very similar to yours overhead (even the same color!) I haven't put a hardwood section down in there yet, and there is still carpet, but there is hardwood under that. Something about the way the old houses sound, just different, so I agree that your room will sound like what materials are in it, especially smaller rooms.
Also, the way you've got those traps straddled across the corners, if you ever want to improve that and for a small price go and buy that Roxul Safe n Sound and cut triangles and stack them from the floor to the ceiling, you'll have to build a little frame to hold them in, but do that and then cover it with fabric, it will absorb anything that enters that corner, and I got that idea from Tony, so he knows about this type of thing.
Jerome
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 22, 2015 14:02:34 GMT -6
If I remeber right absorbtion works better in small rooms. A difusor needs at least 1 meter distance to work. I have theree of them in my back wall. It opens up the room. From the picture I would first absorb the complete wall behind the monitor, from bottom to top.
Puhh it is a long time ago that we did my room. I would follow the LEDE option its easy to do even for layman and it works.
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Post by sheggs on Jul 23, 2015 1:20:33 GMT -6
<---- This is my current set up. First of all I would like to confess that I have a very very limited knowledge in room acoustics and the current set up that I have is based on suggestions from GIK acoustics. Up until recently I had no problem with my room and thought there is nothing much I could do to make it sound better but about a week ago friend of mine who is currently working as an engineer came to audition the amphions and said that adding diffusers to the front wall might help the room to sound a little more natural and also help with the imaging. So I began looking into diffusers and did a bit of a research on it but I am still confused as hell as it seems that everyone has a different opinion regarding adding diffusers on a front wall. Does anyone have any experience with diffusers in their studio? What is it like to have them in your monitoring environment? Feel free to drop us a line over at GIK Acoustics and we can discuss your diffusion needs. We are always there for free advice whenever you need it
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Post by ericn on Jul 23, 2015 7:41:47 GMT -6
<---- This is my current set up. First of all I would like to confess that I have a very very limited knowledge in room acoustics and the current set up that I have is based on suggestions from GIK acoustics. Up until recently I had no problem with my room and thought there is nothing much I could do to make it sound better but about a week ago friend of mine who is currently working as an engineer came to audition the amphions and said that adding diffusers to the front wall might help the room to sound a little more natural and also help with the imaging. So I began looking into diffusers and did a bit of a research on it but I am still confused as hell as it seems that everyone has a different opinion regarding adding diffusers on a front wall. Does anyone have any experience with diffusers in their studio? What is it like to have them in your monitoring environment? Feel free to drop us a line over at GIK Acoustics and we can discuss your diffusion needs. We are always there for free advice whenever you need it Great to see you here !
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