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Post by Guitar on Jul 22, 2015 8:33:28 GMT -6
I would highly recommend the Audient iD22, Tascam UH-7000, or Steinberg UR824 depending on what features you need the most, and how many channels of this or that. They are all top quality in sound. I've seen a few of the version 1 Apollo Duos going for $1,200 ish on the auctions. I use mine all the time, it's my primary interface I guess, and I paid a lot more than that for it, but be prepared to spend more on the UAD plugins. How do you like the Apollo compared to your other suggestions? There are a couple on Ebay now in that price range. I'm not worried about the plugs, as final mixing will be done at the studio with all the bells and whistles. I guess the Apollo is overall my favorite, due to its increased functionality and features. It just oozes a certain quality. The conversion quality on the other ones is just as good if not better than Apollo, the DACs especially. The Apollo DAC is just OK.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 1:26:07 GMT -6
@jordanvoth is using an Antelope Zen with the stock pres and getting solid results. Not sure about their price on the used market though. Love it, not sure what they would go for used either but the pres are great, converters are fine and it's a very complete solution to recording live music which is what I do. Also, it runs on USB which is nice because FW availability is kinda iffy these days. DISCLAIMER: I don't care about gear anymore, I bought the Zen because as I previously mentioned, it covered all my needs in a single rack space. If you're looking for pristine as you put it, I can't comment on that as my hearing isn't good enough to determine whether this or a Prism or a whatever is better. Everything is good these days so meet your needs and make music.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 24, 2015 7:05:35 GMT -6
DISCLAIMER: I don't care about gear anymore, I bought the Zen because as I previously mentioned, it covered all my needs in a single rack space. If you're looking for pristine as you put it, I can't comment on that as my hearing isn't good enough to determine whether this or a Prism or a whatever is better. Everything is good these days so meet your needs and make music. That is an epic concept, love it.
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Post by ben on Jul 27, 2015 18:10:29 GMT -6
Focusrite Liquid Channel 56? Can be had for less than $500 or so.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 27, 2015 18:49:29 GMT -6
Focusrite Liquid Channel 56? Can be had for less than $500 or so. I'm unimpressed with the converters in my 18i8, which I expect are the same or very close. I did some serious DAC shootouts with the Focusrite, Emotiva Stealth, Fireface 800, and Svartbox and the Focusrite was totally outclassed by everything IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 21:46:36 GMT -6
DISCLAIMER: I don't care about gear anymore, I bought the Zen because as I previously mentioned, it covered all my needs in a single rack space. If you're looking for pristine as you put it, I can't comment on that as my hearing isn't good enough to determine whether this or a Prism or a whatever is better. Everything is good these days so meet your needs and make music. That is an epic concept, love it. One of the main reasons I don't post at the forums much at all anymore, obviously guys here do care about gear and the guys here make great stuff but I don't get the gear craze.
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Post by ben on Aug 4, 2015 14:45:27 GMT -6
Focusrite Liquid Channel 56? Can be had for less than $500 or so. I'm unimpressed with the converters in my 18i8, which I expect are the same or very close. I did some serious DAC shootouts with the Focusrite, Emotiva Stealth, Fireface 800, and Svartbox and the Focusrite was totally outclassed by everything IMO. damn, i was considering the 18i20
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Post by ben on Aug 22, 2015 12:38:29 GMT -6
I went with the Focusrite 56. For about $550 brand new, it was mostly there.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 23, 2015 17:07:33 GMT -6
Mostly there is pretty good. I think my ultimate 4x4 rig under $1,000 has now become two Tascam UH-7000 with a used RME Raydat or similar PCI(e) interface card. That would be a right monstrous rig. And you could add a Behringer ADA8200 for drums or whatever. This is something I'm working on that I haven't fully tested yet, but seems like a good idea.
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Post by stratboy on Aug 23, 2015 17:56:50 GMT -6
Mostly there is pretty good. I think my ultimate 4x4 rig under $1,000 has now become two Tascam UH-7000 with a used RME Raydat or similar PCI(e) interface card. That would be a right monstrous rig. And you could add a Behringer ADA8200 for drums or whatever. This is something I'm working on that I haven't fully tested yet, but seems like a good idea. What function does the RME perform in this rig? Couldn't you just plug the two UH into two USB Ports and have an 8x4?
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Post by ben on Aug 24, 2015 1:46:07 GMT -6
Mostly there is pretty good. I think my ultimate 4x4 rig under $1,000 has now become two Tascam UH-7000 with a used RME Raydat or similar PCI(e) interface card. That would be a right monstrous rig. And you could add a Behringer ADA8200 for drums or whatever. This is something I'm working on that I haven't fully tested yet, but seems like a good idea. How do you think the Tascam units compare to the other 2x's out there that they seem to "look" like they are trying to emulate? They obviously have a style similar to the Lynx and others at a much lower price. I found a demo of the 56 in which an entire song was recorded with it, and I was not unimpressed for the price-range. at 14:55
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Aug 24, 2015 4:55:08 GMT -6
have you considered a used Apogee Ensemble FW?
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Post by Guitar on Aug 24, 2015 7:04:10 GMT -6
Mostly there is pretty good. I think my ultimate 4x4 rig under $1,000 has now become two Tascam UH-7000 with a used RME Raydat or similar PCI(e) interface card. That would be a right monstrous rig. And you could add a Behringer ADA8200 for drums or whatever. This is something I'm working on that I haven't fully tested yet, but seems like a good idea. What function does the RME perform in this rig? Couldn't you just plug the two UH into two USB Ports and have an 8x4? The RME PCI / PCIe card would be acting as the interface and software drivers, so you'd get that super low latency and RME's drivers, which people rave about, and which I have yet to try. The Tascam, as good as it is, the drivers are a little slow in latency performance. Which may or may not be a problem based on your application and how you like to work. With the RME card latency would most likely be a non-issue and you could play VSTi instruments, etc, without any delay. Yes, you could just connect two UH-7000 with the AES I/O on the back, two AES cables would do the trick, then run that 4x4 rig to the computer on one USB. The other reason I would want the RME is because the Tascam maxes out at 4x4, you can't go past that, they are not daisy chainable beyond the AES/SPDIF I/O. So if you had some nice RME card you could add a bunch of ADAT channels. This is just me thinking about my ideal portable tracking rig where I could do a whole band or whatever. If I had a small gig maybe I would just grab the Tascams and go for it. But the rack I'm planning isn't all that large anyway so maybe I'd bring it anyway. Ben, the Tascam sounds as good as any interface I have ever heard. It's got a very transparent and clean quality to both the preamps, and the conversion. It's mind-blowing what they cost compared to how great they sound, I feel like it's a real sleeper. The sound is so good, I have decided I want more clean preamps now. These are better than stuff I've used in the past like Sytek, SCA C84 (Millennia-ish), and any of the interface preamps I've used on other units. They seem to have gone the extra mile to get them sounding really good. The UH-7000 is also clearly the best headphone amplifier I have in my collection. I just can't say enough good things about it, which is probably why I'll end up getting a second one.
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Post by ben on Aug 24, 2015 7:26:17 GMT -6
What function does the RME perform in this rig? Couldn't you just plug the two UH into two USB Ports and have an 8x4? Ben, the Tascam sounds as good as any interface I have ever heard. It's got a very transparent and clean quality to both the preamps, and the conversion. If you ran them through the RME as the interface, wouldn't you be using the RME for conversion?
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Post by ericn on Aug 24, 2015 9:53:01 GMT -6
pRME is simply PCI to AES. Ig gives him expandability, stability and pretty low latency. Personally I prefer the Lynx card and mixer but to each their own.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 24, 2015 12:43:17 GMT -6
Holy moly you've got me thinking, Eric. I hadn't even really looked at the Lynx cards. But with one of the AES16 you could run a rig of 8 UH-7000, that would be nuts, and still probably cheaper than an Apollo 16, but with 16 preamps, etc. I'll need to be thinking about this...
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Post by ericn on Aug 24, 2015 13:19:38 GMT -6
I had the RME Raydat, didn't really like RMEs mixer, I replaced My PTHD2 with a Macbook Pro I7 Sonnet Echo Express and so far one Lynx AES 16e will add another when I have the $$! So far love it!! Only complaint is Lynx using the weird Dsubs!!
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Post by Guitar on Aug 24, 2015 15:31:45 GMT -6
Lynx Aurora and Apogee AD16X suddenly become very interesting on the used market with that Lynx card too.
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Post by ericn on Aug 24, 2015 16:30:42 GMT -6
Or the cheaper older AD16 !
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