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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 4, 2015 11:19:06 GMT -6
I'm actually asking this because I've got gas...there's a guy that wants to trade his J-45 True Vintage (about a year old) for my KM84 plus cash. I know the smart answer, but I need someone to kill my gas. I already have the D-28 Authentic, which is more guitar than I'll ever need, but the collector in me sure misses that J-45...Anyway, I have been surprised at how well the MK-U47 has sounded the few times I've used it as the sole mic on an acoustic recording - absolutely good enough to take the place of my KM84...and I find that I'm recording acoustics in stereo less and less. (because with more than one part, I end up panning them anyway) But, the KM84 will more than likely only go up in value, it's basically a point-and-record mic...and again, maybe a second acoustic is redundant. However, the J-45 would take some of the wear and tear off the D-28, serve as a different flavor and I would use it every day, where I don't use the KM84 every day.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 4, 2015 11:33:54 GMT -6
whats street price on a J45? if you can get more for it than the 84 is worth? then maybe turn it over, take the profit and get another 84? I can tell you that a pair of 84's is on my short list, when i get them, they will stay until i die or quit the game, their is something about those mics that set them apart from every other pencil i've heard(in the best sort of way).
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 4, 2015 12:34:33 GMT -6
For one that's a year old, probably $2200-2300...He's asking for the 84 plus $1000. I'm about 85% sure I'm not going to do the deal, though...I jus need to wait until I have the money to buy it outright...which might be never.
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Post by lpedrum on Jul 4, 2015 15:38:03 GMT -6
I love Gibson guitars, but it's often been discussed that they can be inconsistent. I wouldn't go near this deal unless you know you're getting an absolute keeper with the J45 and that it mics up well. Some new J45s sound woody and very near the old ones (though not quite.) Others I've tried are flat and blah. Be careful.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 4, 2015 16:31:50 GMT -6
Sometimes there are great acoustics even if its made in mass production.
About 5 years ago I was offert a wonderful sounding Martin OM and I just told myself that I have a great Morgan dreadnought.
This was a stupid decession.
You know you only live once..... go for it because you will find a cheaper replacement for the mic.
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Post by wiz on Jul 4, 2015 17:01:06 GMT -6
keep the 84
if its a good one, keep the 84
cheers
Wiz
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Post by odyssey76 on Jul 4, 2015 17:17:31 GMT -6
keep the 84 if its a good one, keep the 84 cheers Wiz Yup. You have the ultimate acoustic guitar mic and an absolutely sick ac. git recording chain. Keep it as is......that Martin doesn't sound bad either  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 4, 2015 17:25:39 GMT -6
The true vintage's are much more consistent. But I'm not doing it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 4, 2015 21:34:24 GMT -6
That Martin you have sounds fantastic. Use it, love it, don't bother with the Gibson, keep the 84.
Simple math, one great acoustic guitar, one great acoustic guitar mic = Great recordings. One great guitar, and very good guitar and a very good mic = very good recordings.
There's only one reason Gibson acoustic's are used so often, they get out of the way of the vocalist. A Martin just sounds all around better, but sometimes it's tone is so full and rich, the vocal gets a bit crowded by it.
So, I'd say give the Martin more time to see how it sits with vocals in your tracks.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 4, 2015 21:50:44 GMT -6
Oh I'm not selling the Martin or anything. It would just be nice to have the two guitars...but that's just a luxury. The reason I sold my Gibson was just for that reason - I didn't need it...and I was in love with the Martin. Still love the Martin, but I have started to recall fondly the gentle touch of the Gibson...On a warm summer's night...But alas...I need money actually do that.
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Post by dreyes111 on Jul 4, 2015 22:12:48 GMT -6
Nothing like the sound of a Martin. I have a 1950 00-18
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Post by Ward on Jul 5, 2015 1:30:09 GMT -6
Think about it carefully. a 1974 Gibson J45 didn't really start sounding great until 2014. A 2014 J45 isn't really going to start sounding great until 2055. You have that much time on your hands?
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Post by Randge on Jul 5, 2015 6:10:11 GMT -6
Yeah, the only Gibson acoustics I have ever heard that sounded good were close to 50 years old or better. Be patient and one will come along for a steal.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 5, 2015 6:52:45 GMT -6
ya i'd pass; it seems to me the trick with gear is finding the keepers and when you do don't sell them !
with respect, I too like the 47 on acoustic but it doesn't have the transients of the 84 and wasn't designed too
build from what you got !
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Post by rickcarson on Jul 5, 2015 8:09:09 GMT -6
Never sell a microphone you have used in the past year. Thats my rule.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 5, 2015 8:16:06 GMT -6
Never sell a microphone you have used in the past year. Thats my rule. That is a good rule and I am extending that to another year to 2 years! |
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Post by rickcarson on Jul 5, 2015 8:16:49 GMT -6
Cant hate on that!!
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Post by Ward on Jul 5, 2015 8:36:12 GMT -6
Never sell a microphone you have used in the past year. Thats my rule. ...good rule and I am extending that to another year to 2 years! P.S. Only 199 days until NAMM. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 5, 2015 9:14:36 GMT -6
If I knew back then what I know now I would have never ever sold a mic, and I probably could say I easily would of had over 100 mics by now in my collection, and probably still wanting more...lol! I have scaled back quite a bit over the last few years on mics.
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Post by swurveman on Jul 5, 2015 9:28:50 GMT -6
I'm going to give a contrary opinion to not buying the guitar, and this comes from a songwriter's perspective. If John writes songs on acoustic guitar, the different flavor of acoustic may inspire him. It's hard sometimes to get the willpower to write another song. If by having a second acoustic guitar it makes it easier for him to write more, there is a benefit there.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 5, 2015 9:51:11 GMT -6
I'm going to give a contrary opinion to not buying the guitar, and this comes from a songwriter's perspective. If John writes songs on acoustic guitar, the different flavor of acoustic may inspire him. It's hard sometimes to get the willpower to write another song. If by having a second acoustic guitar it makes it easier for him to write more, there is a benefit there. Yeah, but if John buys that guitar, he WILL sell it shortly there after because he found a smokin deal on a KM84 haha |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 5, 2015 9:54:08 GMT -6
If I knew back then what I know now I would have never ever sold a mic, and I probably could say I easily would of had over 100 mics by now in my collection, and probably still wanting more...lol! I have scaled back quite a bit over the last few years on mics. If I knew back then what I know know, i'd have made daily dumpster diving runs behind every major studio in LA, I'd have hundreds of la2-3a's, dbx 160's, 1176's etc, and an early retirement plan.  |
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Post by mjheck on Jul 5, 2015 10:10:27 GMT -6
I have both and love both. Swurveman is right on - sometimes my old Gibson brings forth a song that my small bodied Martin does not - just different voices. So nice to have both for tracking mixing.
That being said, I wouldn't want to work without my KM84's. Perhaps you could make the trade (if the guitar is indeed special) then acquire a replacement 84 from VK? They seem to have them all the time, and recently got a bunch of them in. Seems like they were around 1k to $1,500.
I guess it seems like you can find a good 84 more easily than a vintage axe that has both tone and playability.
Hard to go without either, honestly. A lot of other pieces would go before either go these - for me, at least.
MJH
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Post by drbill on Jul 5, 2015 10:30:17 GMT -6
I'll always favor inspiration over work tools. Instruments are inspirational for me, and mics - as much as I freaking love them and collect them - are work tools. Translation tools to get my inspiration "on tape" so to speak. There are occasions where the sonics are just so wonderful that you're inspired, but mostly they are tools. Instruments on the other hand can conjour up some pretty amazing things that you never would have found without the particular instrument in question. So.....this is a tough one. I'd say if you play the guitar and you're absolutely in love and not leaving without it, trade the mic in. Otherwise, the 84's are eternal keepers IMO. You'll be back hunting for one in 6 months or less. If the guitar is "nice" and a "compliment" to your martin, I would not trade. You've got to be head over heels in love to trade out the 84. If you can't play the guitar first, then nope. No trade. My $.02
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 5, 2015 11:08:32 GMT -6
I'm going to give a contrary opinion to not buying the guitar, and this comes from a songwriter's perspective. If John writes songs on acoustic guitar, the different flavor of acoustic may inspire him. It's hard sometimes to get the willpower to write another song. If by having a second acoustic guitar it makes it easier for him to write more, there is a benefit there. Absolutely... |
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