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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 22, 2013 7:49:11 GMT -6
in a natural space irregardless of where instruments are relative to centre stage audience position, you hear stereo reverb unless you are deaf in one ear or one or both side walls are missing ?
guess a need a stronger cuppa joe, but if one has a stereo reverb , what is the point; just to create a different ambiance in the stereo spread to sort of accentuate the difference ?
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Post by popmann on Sept 22, 2013 10:08:35 GMT -6
In a natural space there are no compressors. There are a lot of things that are done to make the completely artificial "sound coming from two speakers" perceived in a certain way.
Henge, I know Valhalla doesn't work that way. The "room" at least, which was in my original line up I tested more than a year ago.
There's some configuration I don't "get" in ReLab. It went to acting like the others last night....different project...i will play some more during the demo period.
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Post by henge on Sept 24, 2013 11:21:39 GMT -6
Have you tried ValhallaVintageVerb? ValhallaRoom is a different beast.
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Post by popmann on Sept 24, 2013 20:49:19 GMT -6
No. That's newer than when I compared.
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Post by lolo on Oct 15, 2013 2:20:59 GMT -6
Anyone tried the Exponential Audio Verb's? People seem to rate as well.
How do they compare against the Relab.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 15, 2013 7:18:21 GMT -6
I can appreciate that popmann is digging deep into the design and application of the tools we all use, and perhaps over time, I'll learn a few of the techniques he mentions. For me, for now, something like the ReLab is a blessing. My tracks sound quite good with it. I'll delve deeper and deeper in time. Right now, it's get to work, catch up on bills, and this week, learn to use Flex Pitch in a natural way, just lubricating a vocal a touch, not flooding it with fake processing. Nothing against "fake processing", I'm sure there are many mixers who can make some things really shine with their digital creativity. I just have to take a step or two at a time. If I had six months off, with enough cash to ride that out, I could get my skill set going at something faster than the glacial pace I feel I'm moving at now. Popmann, lolo, I don't know much about the details, but the Exponential reverb one of the cleanest reverbs I've ever heard, developed by the former designer of some of Lexicons best, I believe. My take on the Exponential verb was if I wanted a natural space, something that sounded like I was in a beautiful hall, where a classical orchestra has their residency, this would be my choice. That said, I like what the UAD EMT-140 does to instruments, and obviously, a plate reverb is not "natural". The ReLab has an uncanny way of pressurizing the room, you feel the side walls, without it distracting your attention from the vocal that's front and center. Maybe that effect is unnatural too, I don't know, but it sure as hell sounds great. www.exponentialaudio.com/index.php |
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Post by lolo on Oct 15, 2013 8:29:30 GMT -6
 Or just buy a bloody Bricasti My wife and new coming baby will be pissed of for the next year. one day though
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 15, 2013 9:11:39 GMT -6
I have a wish list thread you might want to post that on ;-)
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Post by unit7 on Jul 31, 2015 14:38:30 GMT -6
AAX (native) version finally! Upgrade is free. No update plan. No subscription fee. Thank You.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 31, 2015 15:14:04 GMT -6
Nice I did some beta testing so knew it was coming: it's one of the best !
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 31, 2015 17:16:40 GMT -6
Since this Relab thread's been resurrected, I was wondering about something. Martin Lind is the guy behind this. When Relab first came out, it seemed exciting. The high definition variations/improvements they made to the standard Lexicon sound was the main reason I bought it. It pressurized the room in a very flattering way. It was somehow more exciting and vibrant than any other plugin verb I'd tried.
The user interface was half assed though. Instead of having a GUI where the presets are available in the plug in, you click on preset, a new page from your component folder open up, you get choices of types of reverb, "room, plate". etc. Then you click on that, and get a subgroup of your choice. I assumed Martin would eventually integrate the presets into the plug-in in a future update. I posted a question about this on the Relab user group site, and never heard back from Martin. I sent an email to him privately, and still didn't get a reply.
It seems he's disappeared.
In the digital world, we rely on "permissions" to use a product we paid for, even though we supposedly get "permission" for a lifetime. I've wondered what might happen if a company goes out of business and there's an issue with the plugs, we're screwed?
Maybe I'm wrong, and they've had a few updates. I'm surprised there haven't been users sharing their reverb settings too.
Anyone have any idea what happened at Relab?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 31, 2015 17:27:46 GMT -6
The site has been redone and the new update installs automatically; very cool , from the gui you just click on Load and now three 3 folders so new verb settings, the default and places where you can save your custom presets. I downloaded and was using relab AAX update in under 3 minutes, very nice improvements !  |
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Post by porkyman on Jul 31, 2015 19:02:29 GMT -6
i think slate is gonna be offering it in his subscription plan. probably why aax was finally released. will probably update quicker now too, but it is slate were talking about so maybe not.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 1, 2015 5:13:55 GMT -6
Some info from Martin on Relab update:
"The move to a new framework have taken way too long time. The new version 2 will be uploaded and released today.
Surround support will be a possibility in the new framework.
We're trying to make the unit as true to the original as humanly possible (including some annoying workflows) - and some of the above suggestions would take it way from that path. But I'll look into the possibility to include some fo them in future updates.
As said above, the first version 2 update will arrive later today which include the foundation for some new features. Other updates will follow shortly which will include improvements to the chorusing found in some of the algorithms including new algorithms : Panorama and Effect.
In the future faster and smaller updates will be released."
Note, yesterday session worked fine, this morning crashes with relab update instantiated, removed the update and session works fine; seems like there is a bug ?
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Post by Randge on Aug 1, 2015 9:20:16 GMT -6
 I love some of the stock settings for small, medium and larger room ambience in the Hofa IQ-Reverb and use them in conjunction with 250 and 140 UAD plates for most of my work. I also use the GSI Spring Verb and Time Verb often for individual instruments and voices if I am doing vintage sounding things. The Bricasti M7 IR's are fantastic for creating depth and spacial atmosphere and load very easy into the Hofa IQ-Reverb as well. I tend to sculpt my reverbs to flatter the key of the song by accenting the eq in the 4-5 octave pitch areas (additive eq) of the song and sometimes a 5th below. I keep this chart on my desktop, easy to get to, and use it to find a key/note to numerical eq point reference efficiently when I need it. Try it sometime and use reductive eq for 2nds, 4th's and 6th's and watch your verbs come alive and how much more depth happens when you bring the send up. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 1, 2015 9:36:19 GMT -6
Ugh.. I'm waiting to see if anyone has issues in Logic X before downloading. Still, it's good news.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 1, 2015 18:26:04 GMT -6
That's interesting popmann, thanks. When I pan my guitar to say.. 75% left, or even 100 % left, I still hear some guitar on the right from the reverb, and I like that. I'd like to try what your suggesting if possible, just for fun. How would I go about sending to my reverb hard right when my guitar is panned left? In logic you will need a workaround for it because logic does not allows to pan the send signal with its default virtual board. |
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Post by wiz on Aug 1, 2015 19:51:49 GMT -6
I love some of the stock settings for small, medium and larger room ambience in the Hofa IQ-Reverb and use them in conjunction with 250 and 140 UAD plates for most of my work. I also use the GSI Spring Verb and Time Verb often for individual instruments and voices if I am doing vintage sounding things. The Bricasti M7 IR's are fantastic for creating depth and spacial atmosphere and load very easy into the Hofa IQ-Reverb as well. I tend to sculpt my reverbs to flatter the key of the song by accenting the eq in the 4-5 octave pitch areas (additive eq) of the song and sometimes a 5th below. I keep this chart on my desktop, easy to get to, and use it to find a key/note to numerical eq point reference efficiently when I need it. Try it sometime and use reductive eq for 2nds, 4th's and 6th's and watch your verbs come alive and how much more depth happens when you bring the send up. Hey Randgethis piqued my interest... so lets say the Key is G. How much EQ you pulling and adding in general, what sort of Q? I have never even thought of this, I EQ verbs most of the time, but its more a cleaning up approach and sparkle approach, I am tempo conscious (not mechanical, but feel) and I am really curious about this... cheers Wiz |
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Post by Randge on Aug 1, 2015 21:05:24 GMT -6
So, in the key of G, you have a bottom octave of 49hz, next octave up 98, next is 196, next is 392,783,1567.98,3135.96 and so on. I will take the stock Cubase eq on the send and additive eq the verb in 1-3db increments with a semi narrow Q at those frequency points. It will be apparent which zones you need to deal with more as you get a feel for it and its different with every songs needs. Next I will listen to the melody of the songs. Any 2 chords in the song or harmonies that are singing 2? If not, do the same but use subtractive eq instead. A 2 chord is an A, in the key of G. So, use that chart and you will find all of the A frequencies and duck them a db or 3 with the same fairly sharp but not pointed Q. You are out for smooth and invisible here. I use it very strictly depending on the melody of the song as to what I get rid of. The idea came to me one day and when I tried my theory, it worked and I have made it commonplace here at Slack Key, especially with ballads. I have even made templates in the past that had them already set up and all that I had to do was turn them on or not depending on what the song needed. I hope that helps, Wiz. Let me know how it goes for you. Every DAW will be different, so don't be afraid to over exaggerate the eq and find where you want it to be and back it off to taste.
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Post by Randge on Aug 1, 2015 21:06:02 GMT -6
I also hp and lp filter as the song needs as well.
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Post by Randge on Aug 1, 2015 21:21:12 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Aug 1, 2015 22:10:57 GMT -6
So, in the key of G, you have a bottom octave of 49hz, next octave up 98, next is 196, next is 392,783,1567.98,3135.96 and so on. I will take the stock Cubase eq on the send and additive eq the verb in 1-3db increments with a semi narrow Q at those frequency points. It will be apparent which zones you need to deal with more as you get a feel for it and its different with every songs needs. Next I will listen to the melody of the songs. Any 2 chords in the song or harmonies that are singing 2? If not, do the same but use subtractive eq instead. A 2 chord is an A, in the key of G. So, use that chart and you will find all of the A frequencies and duck them a db or 3 with the same fairly sharp but not pointed Q. You are out for smooth and invisible here. I use it very strictly depending on the melody of the song as to what I get rid of. The idea came to me one day and when I tried my theory, it worked and I have made it commonplace here at Slack Key, especially with ballads. I have even made templates in the past that had them already set up and all that I had to do was turn them on or not depending on what the song needed. I hope that helps, Wiz. Let me know how it goes for you. Every DAW will be different, so don't be afraid to over exaggerate the eq and find where you want it to be and back it off to taste. Hi Randgemate, really cool of you to write that up for me. I am going to try this tomorrow, my ears and brain is fried from gigging today, why I play gigs that finish at 2am escapes me.. 8) Thanks again bud cheers Wiz |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 2, 2015 9:14:55 GMT -6
Great post Randge, a little over my head now, but I'll get there. I have Logic's EQ, Elysia EQ, Massive Passive, Pultec, EQ's, EQ's on SSL and API boards, and a bundle of Waves EQ's, but how to dial it in that exactly escapes me. I do use the EQ in my Relab reverb a little, usually rolling off low frequencies a bit.
* just to contribute, I don't mean to be pedantic, in case it makes any difference, the II chord in G is Am, not A, which might not matter if your just touching the fundamental. II chords have flatted 3rds.
Thanks mrholmes, I'll have to watch that video a few more times, the green circles were distracting me, but it looks cool.
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Post by henge on Aug 2, 2015 15:22:48 GMT -6
So, in the key of G, you have a bottom octave of 49hz, next octave up 98, next is 196, next is 392,783,1567.98,3135.96 and so on. I will take the stock Cubase eq on the send and additive eq the verb in 1-3db increments with a semi narrow Q at those frequency points. It will be apparent which zones you need to deal with more as you get a feel for it and its different with every songs needs. Next I will listen to the melody of the songs. Any 2 chords in the song or harmonies that are singing 2? If not, do the same but use subtractive eq instead. A 2 chord is an A, in the key of G. So, use that chart and you will find all of the A frequencies and duck them a db or 3 with the same fairly sharp but not pointed Q. You are out for smooth and invisible here. I use it very strictly depending on the melody of the song as to what I get rid of. The idea came to me one day and when I tried my theory, it worked and I have made it commonplace here at Slack Key, especially with ballads. I have even made templates in the past that had them already set up and all that I had to do was turn them on or not depending on what the song needed. I hope that helps, Wiz. Let me know how it goes for you. Every DAW will be different, so don't be afraid to over exaggerate the eq and find where you want it to be and back it off to taste. Wow! Gotta try this tonight. Thanks for thinking outside the box man. |
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Post by Randge on Aug 2, 2015 16:01:52 GMT -6
Great post Randge, a little over my head now, but I'll get there. I have Logic's EQ, Elysia EQ, Massive Passive, Pultec, EQ's, EQ's on SSL and API boards, and a bundle of Waves EQ's, but how to dial it in that exactly escapes me. I do use the EQ in my Relab reverb a little, usually rolling off low frequencies a bit. * just to contribute, I don't mean to be pedantic, in case it makes any difference, the II chord in G is Am, not A, which might not matter if your just touching the fundamental. II chords have flatted 3rds. Thanks mrholmes, I'll have to watch that video a few more times, the green circles were distracting me, but it looks cool. That would be a 2- or (2 minor chord), Martin. a straight 2 chord would be an A, going by Nashville number system. |
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Or just buy a bloody Bricasti
