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Post by mrholmes on Jun 27, 2015 11:13:42 GMT -6
Am I right or wrong RGOs?
Quantization distortion happens as soon audio is digitalized? Its more obvious with events which are low in the mix, things in the background etc?
In other words; the more signals I have to mix the more the distortion jumps into my ear?
In my opinion its more obvious mixing ITB only.
I think I can remember BK saying at GS that its a wise decision to cover those distortions by using at least one HW unit on the mixbus. I am quite not sure about it I can be wrong.
I did try to understand it a few times but the DSP theory is a book that never opened up for me.
Anyone bites? I hope I get it this time....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 19:09:50 GMT -6
Hm. Dither *prevents* quantization distortion at the cost of a low noise floor. This should already be integrated in *every* hardware unit that converts analog to digital (ADC) and is and should be *not* optional. (Not aware of an ADC that had the option to turn this off.) So, no, with modern gear you should not hear *distortion* building up with more sources converted from analog to digital. There is a noisefloor which is easier to handle and less obvious and that's it. Distortion could be the result of analog stages before the conversion depending on the quality of the converter. Digital "coldness" like people still think of can be the result of other processing ITB like hard clipping, badly made software etc.. Much of the "you have to warm up with analog in the masterbus" is still from the 80's and 90's where many if not most DAWs still had flaws, people used wrong gainstaging with digital clipping etc.pp.. Nowadays you can mix completely in the box and also master ITB without a distortion that would be based just on the fact it was digital processing and not analog. So, from a technical point of view, there is no reason to use an analog device in the masterbus to cover something up at all. Actually, strongly dependend on the quality of the converters, the extra AD-DA loop could do more harm than good if there is no reason for it at all. Sure we might like doing analog stuff anywhere nowadays in hybrid setups, but not to cover up for quantization distortion.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 27, 2015 19:21:44 GMT -6
Maybe its psychology but I have the impression the more tracks I sum with the pop tunes I write the more the low level signals start to distort in the background. You say it does not matter if a signal is low or high in level....mhhh maybe I should have a break from writeing mixing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 19:45:19 GMT -6
Summing should be transparent in the box, it is addition in at least 32bit floating point numbers, which should not induce hearable distortion. Watch your gain structure ITB closely in plugin chains and take a closer look at plugins you use in tracks. It is not, that distortion can not happen in the digital domain. Unintentional clipping and noise surely can happen in the digital domain. Of course. But they shouldn't be result of quantization distortion or just the fact that you mix ITB, at least nowadays. Other things shurely can do harm. 10 or 15 yrs old plugins *can* have flaws, though... After around 2000 sooner of later *all* DAWs improved their summing algorithms *alot*, nowadays they all use 32 or even 64 bit float internally and mix transparently if gain staging is right and they are not buggy...
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 27, 2015 20:16:43 GMT -6
Summing should be transparent in the box, it is addition in at least 32bit floating point numbers, which should not induce hearable distortion. Watch your gain structure ITB closely in plugin chains and take a closer look at plugins you use in tracks. It is not, that distortion can not happen in the digital domain. Unintentional clipping and noise surely can happen in the digital domain. Of course. But they shouldn't be result of quantization distortion or just the fact that you mix ITB, at least nowadays. Other things shurely can do harm. 10 or 15 yrs old plugins *can* have flaws, though... After around 2000 sooner of later *all* DAWs improved their summing algorithms *alot*, nowadays they all use 32 or even 64 bit float internally and mix transparently if gain staging is right and they are not buggy... Ok it can happen internally a plug in but mh do I use a few old ones, yes stock ones in logic but they have been updated in logic 9 .... I think I just start to hear die flöhe husten...... special if you listen often to the same song....... it can get crazy in your brain.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 20:28:39 GMT -6
Next day, fresh ears.
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