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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 27, 2015 11:25:06 GMT -6
did you spend $6 yet and buy a copy of the complaint from that website? no, but i'm going to now... in the meantime, look what i found haha, note the knobs circa 1969... What year was API born? Hmmmm.....  www.spectra-sonics.com/610/ |
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2015 11:29:25 GMT -6
How about this
API's statements and advertisements leads us to believe that all API gear is discrete and that is why it sounds so good, but it isn't 560 uses Monolithic opamps, and there compressors use THAT monolithic VCAs.
We Have been dooped and gave suffered damages !
We shall unite and file a Class Action Suite !
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 27, 2015 11:41:31 GMT -6
I remember there was an old console out there that also pre dated API, that utilized those same knobs on it, when i first saw it I was like "It's an API", but after reading a bit it was clear that it wasn't, I can't for the life of me remember what it was though...? Anyone know what i'm talking about here? Is API trying to enforce copyrights on things they didn't conceive of, and don't own! It's quite astonishing if it's true!
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Post by mulmany on Jun 27, 2015 11:44:20 GMT -6
The other "good news" is that they did not issue a cease and desist, so they must not have strong leg to stand on. CAPI web store is still open. Now to pick up those few units I still need, and help Jeff out.
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Post by drbill on Jun 27, 2015 11:48:55 GMT -6
Demedio. but I don't think it necessarily pre-dates API.
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Post by dandeurloo on Jun 27, 2015 11:49:23 GMT -6
I remember there was an old console out there that also pre dated API, that utilized those same knobs on it, when i first saw it I was like "It's an API", but after reading a bit it was clear that it wasn't, I can't for the life of me remember what it was though...? Anyone know what i'm talking about here? I find it comical that API thinks they can so indignantly and arrogantly try to enforce copyrights on things they didn't conceive of, and don't own! It's quite astonishing haha! Olive sound right to you? |
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2015 11:50:45 GMT -6
It is BS all together, Jeff carefully navigated within the legal confines of the system and designed his company to fill a void in the marketplace, he's been around at least 7 years with API's knowledge, they never filed anything, their long standing knowledge of CAPI's existence sets precedent by showing acceptance, if this "knowledge of existence" can be proven, API is toast. Has anyone downloaded the details of the filing? If not, i will to see what they are moaning about, i bet it's the knobs they don't own.?.? I'm totally down with the kickstarter campaign to help CAPI, and save them from the big bad API machine haha. But if Jeff changes the name to avoid the plunderous schill that has become the American Justice system(who'd blame him?), i'd consider changing the name to CAPN "CAP Nashville", as he's moving there. CAPN(say it like Stimpson J Cat "allaight Cap'n"), Classic Audio Products of Nashville. Scums post is funny, Larry's trying to take credit for the early API's haha, even some of the first API's weren't API's, ask Wally Heider. Note to API, I say loud and clear as one of Jeff's very unsatisfied customers(unsatisfied because i can't have enough of his great products 8), I WOULD NEVER BUY A NEW API PRODUCT, it's all in the sound, you guys aren't even close... Jamicon caps...really? Yeah I like when Larry says they build the 512c the same way , with the same parts , since the 1960's ....... Larry is that clueless  Hes running API yet has no knowledge about what he sells ?? The input , output transformers , OP Amps and circuit design are all different . [ While I'm no fan of Larry , he knows what he's doing this isn't about winning this is about hurting our friend Jeff!! Many a good company has been hurt so bad by a lawsuit they should win, but can't afford to win! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 27, 2015 11:53:48 GMT -6
I remember there was an old console out there that also pre dated API, that utilized those same knobs on it, when i first saw it I was like "It's an API", but after reading a bit it was clear that it wasn't, I can't for the life of me remember what it was though...? Anyone know what i'm talking about here? I find it comical that API thinks they can so indignantly and arrogantly try to enforce copyrights on things they didn't conceive of, and don't own! It's quite astonishing haha! Not older than API, but this Loft was for sale a couple years ago and I still wish I bought it even just for the look. www.preservationsound.com/?p=6262 |
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2015 11:56:24 GMT -6
Denison used API and I think UA modules as well as some of his own. He built a fair amount of API like consoles when API wasn't able to build consoles ! I think he's still around guys like him and Paul Wolf may be Jeff's Ace in the whole if this ever gets to court. Larry has been very careful about presenting APIs history but these guys know the truth! |
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 27, 2015 11:58:10 GMT -6
How many times has the opinion been expressed here, on GS and everywhere else that CAPI products sound better than API gear? It wouldn't surprise me if API is sick of reading that and is finally pushing back any way they can.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 27, 2015 12:06:10 GMT -6
I remember there was an old console out there that also pre dated API, that utilized those same knobs on it, when i first saw it I was like "It's an API", but after reading a bit it was clear that it wasn't, I can't for the life of me remember what it was though...? Anyone know what i'm talking about here? I find it comical that API thinks they can so indignantly and arrogantly try to enforce copyrights on things they didn't conceive of, and don't own! It's quite astonishing haha! Olive sound right to you? Dan thee Mann!!! Look at those knobs! Anyone know the first API console that had those Vemaline knobs on it? www.pmerecords.com/Olive.cfmwww.pmerecords.com/images/Olive/2005/Olive2005.html |
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2015 12:19:10 GMT -6
If I wasn't broke I would order a bunch of stuff from Jeff.
Part of why I think Larry waited so long was he was still riding on the Pro API /JDK vibe after they were sued by JVC because JVC held the rights to Arsenel in the audio world ( really Larry you didn't think or Search and see that one of the workd most well know sports teams might be held in the audio world)!
But then Audio Toys Inc Larrys first company was always confused with Audio Technologies Inc and at that time Paul Wolfs API!
Guess what ? Audio Toys made ? A live console!
I remember confused customers and sales guys!
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Post by keymod on Jun 27, 2015 12:20:07 GMT -6
AFAIK, api have trademarked the term "lunchbox" as well. I was going to buy a 2500 comp, but no longer. Take that Larry!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 27, 2015 12:23:21 GMT -6
AFAIK, api have trademarked the term "lunchbox" as well. I was going to buy a 2500 comp, but no longer. Take that Larry! I feel like a jerk for buying the Waves API 2500 yesterday now. Bastards. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2015 12:29:05 GMT -6
AFAIK, api have trademarked the term "lunchbox" as well. I was going to buy a 2500 comp, but no longer. Take that Larry! Buy it Used don't give Larry any more cash! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2015 12:35:08 GMT -6
The other "good news" is that they did not issue a cease and desist, so they must not have strong leg to stand on. CAPI web store is still open. Now to pick up those few units I still need, and help Jeff out. I'm not sure - they might have. |
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Post by EmRR on Jun 27, 2015 12:37:32 GMT -6
Audio Toys Inc. Oh yeah. Wouldn't give out schematics for a product I owned, long out of warranty, insisted I had to send it in. Had to draw it out myself.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2015 12:41:21 GMT -6
Before we go off guns blazing, let's make sure that whatever we do doesn't harm Jeff...I'm honestly ok with him changing the name - I mean, who cares? Chandler has done fine building EMI clones. BAE, etc. also, I think the only trademark that API has on the knobs is for the dual-concentric ones...so, afaik, Jeff has no dual concentric knobs on his products.
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2015 12:41:30 GMT -6
AFAIK, api have trademarked the term "lunchbox" as well. I was going to buy a 2500 comp, but no longer. Take that Larry! Also put some of Scott' lieber's Opamps and Some of Eds Transformers in it ! It will sound better and make you feel better! |
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Post by ericn on Jun 27, 2015 12:45:23 GMT -6
Jeff Needs to find somebody with the initials C A P sell him a minority stake , change the Name to his initials inc and he would be safe,
AMS-Neve Vs Ruoert Neve and Harmon VS Mark Levinson proved your name is safe!
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 27, 2015 13:00:22 GMT -6
what a shame, welp, i downloaded the lawsuit, low and behold, it's a "trademark infringement" based suit, and the very first claim is....(drumroll)...... the knob! ahhahaha! Complete with render, they are vaguely claiming (in an effort to not commit felony perjury i'm guessing?) they came up with the knob in 1968, and calling it the "API knob", hmmm. It seems Jeff should contact Vemaline and file a lawsuit against API and just use API's own filing paperwork against them?  there are 65 complaints, it's gonna take a bit to read through em all, i'll report back... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2015 13:06:11 GMT -6
Jeff has never once used that knob.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 27, 2015 13:08:22 GMT -6
And the knob stuff seems pretty dubious. He uses the Vemaline knobs - DIRECTLY from Vemaline...you know, the ones API used before trademarked very similar design for themselves.
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Post by keymod on Jun 27, 2015 13:13:21 GMT -6
I just went to a Vemaline website. Yup, anyone can buy the knobs that Jeff uses.
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Post by b1 on Jun 27, 2015 13:13:33 GMT -6
This knob fiasco plus the letter Scumbum posted paints senor API as a loon of sorts.
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Hes running API yet has no knowledge about what he sells ?? The input , output transformers , OP Amps and circuit design are all different . 
