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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 16, 2015 14:55:09 GMT -6
I didn't have to reinstall anything!
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Post by WKG on Jul 16, 2015 15:18:18 GMT -6
That's great news.
Anybody know if it's possible to jump back to 8.1 if needed after upgrading?
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Post by b1 on Jul 16, 2015 15:49:02 GMT -6
That's great news.
Anybody know if it's possible to jump back to 8.1 if needed after upgrading?
Once you take the plunge, I don't think you'll be able to downgrade. Your license will convert to Win 10. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 16, 2015 16:29:27 GMT -6
It says you can downgrade.
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Post by b1 on Jul 16, 2015 16:50:04 GMT -6
That's good to know... I haven't looked at Win 10 too much, just been watching the way the industry wants to go. Come to think of it, when either Vista, 7, or 8 came out (or all), there was a downgrade option.
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Post by joseph on Jul 16, 2015 17:27:32 GMT -6
Windows 10 is way less clunky than 8, for one.
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Post by b1 on Jul 16, 2015 17:39:48 GMT -6
M$ says it's the best of 7 & 8.1 combined... I just had a customer's Win 8.1 laptop in here yesterday and kept wondering "what was M$ thinking". I guess they at least have the Start button back in 10? Less hogging of resources does sound nice.
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Post by joseph on Jul 16, 2015 18:03:27 GMT -6
Yes, the start menu is essentially back, although different.
Important thing is you don't have that bs metro screen freaking everybody out who touches it.
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Post by keymod on Jul 17, 2015 4:38:55 GMT -6
If anyone wants to avoid the Win10 upgrade, be alerted to the new M$ updates that have been posted: You'll want to avoid these (the upper most one is what Martin previously reported): Windows Update KB3035583 (5-14-2015) KB2952664 - Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7 KB3050265 - General improvements are made to support upgrades to a later version of Windows. KB3065987 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: July 2015 The lower three are optional, but after I removed the the top one the other day, it now shows up as "Recommended", rather than "Optional". It was originally an Optional update. M$ is trying to get rid of as many copies of Win7 as they can with this free "Upgrade"... Why? ....uh ....uhm Why is it bad if these are installed? My office/backup DAW computer is set up to receive automatic updates, though I haven't opted to upgrade to Win10. |
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Post by b1 on Jul 17, 2015 12:37:58 GMT -6
If anyone wants to avoid the Win10 upgrade, be alerted to the new M$ updates that have been posted: You'll want to avoid these (the upper most one is what Martin previously reported): Windows Update KB3035583 (5-14-2015) KB2952664 - Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7 KB3050265 - General improvements are made to support upgrades to a later version of Windows. KB3065987 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: July 2015 The lower three are optional, but after I removed the the top one the other day, it now shows up as "Recommended", rather than "Optional". It was originally an Optional update. M$ is trying to get rid of as many copies of Win7 as they can with this free "Upgrade"... Why? ....uh ....uhm Why is it bad if these are installed? My office/backup DAW computer is set up to receive automatic updates, though I haven't opted to upgrade to Win10. I wouldn't call it bad per se, if you like to follow along with what M$ rolls out. My initial concern is over all of the drivers for my hardware stopped being supported at Win7, plus I didn't like the way Windows was heading with Win 8. My preference for the feel and flow of an OS is where Win7 is now. I also like WinXP service pack 2. I'm quite comfortable with the workflow there, even today with Cubase VST 5.1. SP3 made XP clunky. There is also an anonymity/privacy factor that is disappearing in all of the software and OSes. I feel I have more privacy in Linux. I ignore that concern in Windows in favor of usability and software/file type availability. I'm not a person who reports software problems to M$ because I have no control over what gets uploaded along with the log files. It's funny. When I stopped reporting software errors, I quit having software errors. Can't explain why. Every movement is logged and analyzed, sometimes reported anonymously. Other times? ... a lot of people have speculated about it, but it's evident there is whole lot more going on under the hood than is necessary. Hardware is now a concern too - on all platforms. Privacy in all forms is deteriorating. If you receive automatic updates, you'll still be presented with the option to upgrade. Bob did it. Perhaps he can relate the experience better. I set my less knowledgeable customers, as well as business customers, up to receive Automatic Updates. Personally, I prefer to pick and choose what I receive, especially more-so now since the Win 10 upgrade offer showed up to potentially effect my workflow in an undesirable way. I basically avoid Windows Live and connected features (Skype, etc), chat, camera functions, from being enhanced for use by unwanted parties. Call me old fashioned, I guess. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 17, 2015 13:34:53 GMT -6
I used the insider upgrade but I assume it will work the same on 7-29. After I signed into insider and clicked the install button on the web page, upgrading was offered as an option in windows update.
Because my computer was set up for dual boot, it knew to set just the one system disk up. I don't use multiple system partitions because I want the second physical system drive as backup. At $99 for an SSD, it's silly to do it any other way especially when I have space for seven drives.
It took about 40 minutes to download and install the upgrade. All of my settings carried across and it updated all of the drivers. It was very similar to the upgrade from 8 to 8.1. You do need to have 7 or 8 with every available update so it could be a lot of stuff is already installed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 15:16:10 GMT -6
On one Win8.1 system here i wasn't able to install the 'service pack' / Win8.1.1 and this is sucking badly. Because it is *not* a user fault.
I already hated the 8.1 update because it refused to install on the same machine until i enlarged a partition that was originally sized automatically by the Win8 installer. WTF.
Especially MS' ignorance regarding these issues is inacceptable. The user is responsible for getting the updates working, despite MS is aware of the fact that there were (in this case) more than a dozen known(!) obstacles that could make the update fail, and probably even more, same is still for a knowingly stil high number of machines with the 'service pack 8.1.1' update.
So i am quite happy to have the systems working as is. The shell for me is classic shell, and as long as i see no real benefit for me in the feature list of 10 i most probably will not update...
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Post by b1 on Jul 18, 2015 15:54:26 GMT -6
eek... I've been thinking of taking Win7 machines offline and go with Vista or Linux online. I do NOT trust M$ when it comes to looking out for the users preferences. I wonder if some of the things are a ploy to sabotage a system into getting the user to cave in for Win10. If I ever do go for Win10 (which I doubt at this point), I will NOT sacrifice Win7 to get 10. Not going to happen!
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Post by mobeach on Jul 18, 2015 17:42:08 GMT -6
eek... I've been thinking of taking Win7 machines offline and go with Vista or Linux online. I do NOT trust M$ when it comes to looking out for the users preferences. I wonder if some of the things are a ploy to sabotage a system into getting the user to cave in for Win10. If I ever do go for Win10 (which I doubt at this point), I will NOT sacrifice Win7 to get 10. Not going to happen! Vista is horrible. I still have a laptop and desktop with Vista and they're both non stop chattering hard drives. My Windows 8.1 desktop is much more stable, smooth and quiet. |
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Post by b1 on Jul 18, 2015 18:06:34 GMT -6
eek... I've been thinking of taking Win7 machines offline and go with Vista or Linux online. I do NOT trust M$ when it comes to looking out for the users preferences. I wonder if some of the things are a ploy to sabotage a system into getting the user to cave in for Win10. If I ever do go for Win10 (which I doubt at this point), I will NOT sacrifice Win7 to get 10. Not going to happen! Vista is horrible. I still have a laptop and desktop with Vista and they're both non stop chattering hard drives. My Windows 8.1 desktop is much more stable, smooth and quiet. Yeah, there's a lot going on inside Vista. I don't use it for audio much anymore except for remote processing, but if you stop prefetch and a lot of needless services, it's a whole lot better. I haven't taken the time to optimize yet, but using it for online was my thinking. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 18:20:51 GMT -6
Oh yes....there are good reasons why i skipped ME and Vista completely...especially for audio stuff...
For online, web and mail and stuff - a modern linux does the job perfectly. If my mother can deal with linux for her bureau and online demands, it MUST be perfectly suited. ;-)
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Post by mobeach on Jul 18, 2015 18:50:27 GMT -6
Vista is horrible. I still have a laptop and desktop with Vista and they're both non stop chattering hard drives. My Windows 8.1 desktop is much more stable, smooth and quiet. Yeah, there's a lot going on inside Vista. I don't use it for audio much anymore except for remote processing, but if you stop prefetch and a lot of needless services, it's a whole lot better. I haven't taken the time to optimize yet, but using it for online was my thinking. I still miss XP. |
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Post by b1 on Jul 18, 2015 18:59:38 GMT -6
Oh yes....there are good reasons why i skipped ME and Vista completely...especially for audio stuff... For online, web and mail and stuff - a modern linux does the job perfectly. If my mother can deal with linux for her bureau and online demands, it MUST be perfectly suited. ;-) I agree... It seems that's the way to go especially since Mint 17 is at the LTS stage again. I got my wife to use RedHat for a while before she demanded windows again.  |
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Post by b1 on Jul 18, 2015 19:03:19 GMT -6
Yeah, there's a lot going on inside Vista. I don't use it for audio much anymore except for remote processing, but if you stop prefetch and a lot of needless services, it's a whole lot better. I haven't taken the time to optimize yet, but using it for online was my thinking. I still miss XP. I'm still using it here in the office and scattered around in diff boxes. I notice a lot of businesses still using it too. It's a keeper! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 19:08:26 GMT -6
Btw....somehow like my mother sitting at the PC.
Very funny, if you can understand german, but you still get the picture without it.
It's like "Hmm, where was this email thing....hm, up there? No, down there, no.....hmmm, now......huh? Now it's black..."
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Post by b1 on Jul 18, 2015 19:27:45 GMT -6
LOL! I totally get it and still laughing! Very well done... I hit log out instead of reply... lol
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 21, 2015 9:21:39 GMT -6
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Post by b1 on Jul 21, 2015 12:55:25 GMT -6
I never thought I'd see M$ do a video specifically on audio. How many decades did it take them to acknowledge that people were using PCs for stuff other than gaming and Web-surfing. If MoBo manufacturers would finally open their eyes to the same fact of PC's & audio being used together, we could see some exciting more mobile solutions... AD/DA?
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Post by keymod on Jul 30, 2015 4:12:58 GMT -6
So are you Windows users going to take the plunge on Windows 10? I noticed this morning that automatic updates on my Windows 7 computer tried to install 10, but the install failed. Not sure how to get it to install successfully if I decide I actually want 10 on my machine. It would be nice to take advantage of the free upgrade if 10 is a good path to take.
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Post by horvitz on Jul 30, 2015 4:56:12 GMT -6
Just finished the install.. seems to work, anyway. On the forum using the new browser right now. MS Edge is NOT shy on consuming ram. Brand new tabs with just FB, gmail, and RGO totals about 550MB.
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