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Post by Johnkenn on May 30, 2015 18:46:01 GMT -6
Actually it's probably more like 4 ft. That 38% thing is kinda ridiculous though. Who is gonna put their desk almost in the middle of the room?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 30, 2015 18:47:54 GMT -6
That would be 8.36 feet from the front wall.
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Post by dandeurloo on May 30, 2015 22:05:51 GMT -6
Ok - so let's get this out in the open. I would assume you've talked to Charles, who talked to Dan who said my "room was not the best to listen in". That's fair enough. It wasn't designed by Carl Tatz. But it's 22 feet long, I have 6 inch thick 703 bass traps in every corner. I've also hung a cloud above the mixing position, have treatment to deal with flutter echoes and have the desk pulled out about two feet from the back wall. I would venture to say my room is more dialed in than many. So - if I was taking this the wrong way, then forgive me, but I assumed the insinuation is that my opinions can be questioned because I "don't have the best room to listen in." I would beg to differ. I think that question comes up in every monitor thread. It's not a dig from me, and I don't think from the others. I am just now reading this and I am wondering if the 15's aren't better for your room in general. I have read about these speakers for months and if I switch they will be on the top of my list. Guys on GS have said often that in their rooms the smaller speakers worked better. I think those speakers vary more then normal from room to room. The good thing is the line of speakers sounds similar so their should be something that works in most all rooms. They are high on my list of things to try out. All speakers need a break in period. So the 18's should settle in nicely. I will be curious if they get any of the punch back after that. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 31, 2015 6:08:05 GMT -6
Actually it's probably more like 4 ft. That 38% thing is kinda ridiculous though. Who is gonna put their desk almost in the middle of the room? it's where your head goes, not where the speakers or desk goes. speakers might be 4' with you 4' away from them at the 8' mark in the room. Also, math is not ridiculous lol. dudes smarter than you and I figured out, via room acoustics math, that 38% of the room length is roughly the ideal listening position, because of where you end up sitting via the room modes and null points. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 9:34:44 GMT -6
Ok, thanks for the lesson, Chuck.
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Post by acegunn on May 31, 2015 10:00:36 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on May 31, 2015 10:14:38 GMT -6
The 38 % thing was a great place to start before everybody and their brother had a TEF on their IPhone. Like many things it some how became this hard rule. When it never really was. It was also a big push against outing speakers right against the wall, this is a huge problem and even worse with rear ported designs. The consumer likes things simple and " move things around till they sound best to you" is way to much hard work so the 38 percent or the Audiophile rule of thirds are simple concepts for the buyer to adopt, and achieve acceptable performance. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 31, 2015 10:21:56 GMT -6
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Post by LesC on May 31, 2015 10:25:56 GMT -6
Ok, thanks for the lesson, Chuck. Wow, such a restrained response! And I was just getting the popcorn ready. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 10:55:43 GMT -6
Ok, thanks for the lesson, Chuck. Wow, such a restrained response! And I was just getting the popcorn ready. What's the point of arguing? |
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Post by ericn on May 31, 2015 11:06:55 GMT -6
It's not that we hate Ethan, it's just that Ethan knows Ethan is right and everybody else is wrong until Ethan realizes we right adopts it like He was right all along ! Then there's his soundblaster! |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 31, 2015 11:09:50 GMT -6
We don't like people that know-it-all...and don't preface things with, "I could be wrong," or "In my opinion..." It's all in the presentation.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 1, 2015 6:02:06 GMT -6
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Post by dandeurloo on Jun 1, 2015 7:38:38 GMT -6
JK, how are the speakers breaking in? Did they get some punch back like th 15's had? I am very curious about these speakers.
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Post by henge on Jun 1, 2015 8:02:20 GMT -6
It`s getting near time for me to replace and upgrade my HS80M`s. Great thread. Very interested in the Amphions...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 1, 2015 8:47:52 GMT -6
JK, how are the speakers breaking in? Did they get some punch back like th 15's had? I am very curious about these speakers. I haven't noticed much change, but they've had about 10 hours of use, so maybe not enough time. I was so impressed by the 15's in comparison to the Proacs, I think I was expecting some sort of new revelation with the 18's - and there hasn't been. I've found myself wondering whether the 15's sounded better. I didn't have them at the same time, but I did listen to them back and forth at VK - and there I preferred the 18's. Honestly, the 15's could've worked for me, but I wouldn't have ever been able to use them by themselves without the sub at any substantial volume - and that scared me away. But just from a sheer listening standpoint - and of course, it's from memory - I think the 15's might have been a little wider and had more separation. I think the reviews are right by saying they have more punch. Maybe it's because they're having to move more because of the size. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 1, 2015 8:50:09 GMT -6
I'm not dogging the 18's though - I really like them. I just hope they relax a little more and get a little more punch. I might try turning off the sub for a while so I can work the woofer more.
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Post by dandeurloo on Jun 1, 2015 9:00:32 GMT -6
Yeah, try and break them in more. In the past I have left the studio as mush as I can and had the speakers going at a decent level on shuffle mod in Itunes for at least 48 hours. I usually notice a difference after 48. But you may find the 15's are a little better for your room?
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 1, 2015 9:03:49 GMT -6
I'm not dogging the 18's though - I really like them. I just hope they relax a little more and get a little more punch. I might try turning off the sub for a while so I can work the woofer more. I too am now gassing about these....  put a 20hz signal generator through them, and go take a looooooong lunch! that will shakem loose 8) |
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Post by svart on Jun 1, 2015 9:05:41 GMT -6
On my speakers, I'll put on a sine wave at like 20hz and leave it on while I'm doing laundry or something for a few hours. I'll do this off and on for a few days and usually they loosen up pretty good.
The aluminum coned speakers I built were pretty weak on the low end, but after a few days they really opened up on the bottom end. It's almost like they take more time to break in than paper/pulp woofers.
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Post by dandeurloo on Jun 1, 2015 9:32:00 GMT -6
Listen to Boom Boom Pow on repeat. All those tuned kicks shack them pretty good. haha
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Post by henge on Jun 1, 2015 9:36:10 GMT -6
Hmm closest dealers are not all that close to me...either Quebec or Michigan!!lol Might talk my usual store into bringing them in. Canadian dollar sucks right now... I also have to get better converters. Time for a whole monitoring upgrade. Been talking to tonycamphd about the RMs... |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 1, 2015 9:38:53 GMT -6
Hmm closest dealers are not all that close to me...either Quebec or Michigan!!lol Might talk my usual store into bringing them in. Canadian dollar sucks right now... I also have to get better converters. Time for a whole monitoring upgrade. Been talking to tonycamphd about the RMs... Tony is getting those on April 1 right? |
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Post by henge on Jun 1, 2015 9:42:13 GMT -6
hahaha...April 1 2030
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 1, 2015 9:55:45 GMT -6
Hmm closest dealers are not all that close to me...either Quebec or Michigan!!lol Might talk my usual store into bringing them in. Canadian dollar sucks right now... I also have to get better converters. Time for a whole monitoring upgrade. Been talking to tonycamphd about the RMs... Talk to Andy at Diffusion Audio ! |
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