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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2015 11:25:51 GMT -6
So - this is SUPER un-scientific. But I think you can hear some differences here. I just sang a couple of lines of an Eagles song and repeated it on the other converter. One take, so no judgement, please.  Svartbox using it's own clock, Burl using it's own clock. The chain was MK-U47 into a V76 into each converter. Svartbox https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/svartboxBURL https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/burlHere's a song that is un-mixed...was tracked with the Svartbox...nothing is fixed - this is raw, so take that into account. Anyway, This is a 2 Mix going out to a pair of FC526's - all settings the same except the first one is recorded back in through the Svartbox using it's own clock and one back in through the Burl with it's own clock... http%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/svart-burl |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2015 11:29:14 GMT -6
IMO, you can hear the transformers saturating on the Burl...kind of rolls off the top - which could totally be what you're going for...but the Svartbox seems to present the entire frequency range. To me, this presents the AD of the Svartbox in a very positive light. However, all opinions are welcome.
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Post by svart on Apr 29, 2015 11:43:21 GMT -6
Nice. It's just a tiny difference I hear with these headphones, but I'm still happy to be able to hang with such company as Burl.
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Post by Randge on Apr 29, 2015 12:01:16 GMT -6
On the word "eyes", is that a gear stress point or just a vocal thing? Svart's box is certainly more open sounding and what I would want from a converter.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 29, 2015 13:50:08 GMT -6
Its a taste thing the transformers round of the peaks and kill some HF energy I like that, but its nothing I want to have in a DA-AD.
I agree +1 for SVART box, you can ad transformer attitude in tracking with a nice 1073.... There I said it again-I like my 1073....
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 29, 2015 18:54:01 GMT -6
So the DAC each time was the svart box ?
also, are you still running the rca gold pin in your 47 ?
Thank you for posting the clips. I too prefer the openness of the svartbox.
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Post by porkyman on Apr 29, 2015 19:10:13 GMT -6
ive never heard a shootout with a burl where i thought the burl won. add this one to the list. i always feel its a little muffled. yet all the dudes that have recorded my favorite albums use/endorse it. probably why im not making millions mixing other peoples records.
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Post by svart on Apr 29, 2015 19:29:22 GMT -6
So the DAC each time was the svart box ? also, are you still running the rca gold pin in your 47 ? Thank you for posting the clips. I too prefer the openness of the svartbox. ADC. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 29, 2015 20:24:01 GMT -6
Guess I'm brain dead but JK has your AD and DA but the burl is only AD
So it's 47>pre>AD (svart then next pass b2) so only JK is hearing the DA live in his monitors?
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 29, 2015 20:28:52 GMT -6
ive never heard a shootout with a burl where i thought the burl won. add this one to the list. i always feel its a little muffled. yet all the dudes that have recorded my favorite albums use/endorse it. probably why im not making millions mixing other peoples records. When the burl was new I expected a switch between two ways of output balancing…. I think a converter should stay clean as possible. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2015 20:35:08 GMT -6
It doesn't really matter what the DA is...it's not in the recording chain. You will hear what I recorded through the two AD's through your own DA.
Yes - still have the RCA's.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2015 20:36:55 GMT -6
On the word "eyes", is that a gear stress point or just a vocal thing? Svart's box is certainly more open sounding and what I would want from a converter. I have no idea what a gear stress point is. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2015 20:38:53 GMT -6
It's a pre I'm not extremely familiar with, but t basically sounds like me...
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Post by warrenfirehouse on Apr 29, 2015 21:52:08 GMT -6
Both sound great: nice pipes john!
They do sound slightly different, but the SB does not sound outclassed at all. Very impressive considering the price difference. I would love to hear a comparison with a few tracks stacked. Even a couple of acoustic guitars, bass and a vocal. I think the differences would be clearer.
Svart I have a feeling you are going to be very busy for a very long time. Nice job.
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Post by lolo on Apr 29, 2015 22:05:19 GMT -6
Any Pics on the svartbox???
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 29, 2015 22:40:20 GMT -6
on the other thread but I don't think bezel is done yet ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 2, 2015 7:13:03 GMT -6
Cool shoot. Burl sounds great, but doesn't have the openness that the Svart does. I'd rather get the mojo from something else in my chain and have the option for higher fidelity when needed.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 2, 2015 7:52:22 GMT -6
Like Warren said, I'd love to hear a few tracks stacked.
I don't feel I have a handle on adding "mojo" myself. All the plug ins available make for a too many cooks in the kitchen problem, for me anyway. I
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Post by guitfiddler on May 2, 2015 8:20:52 GMT -6
Like Warren said, I'd love to hear a few tracks stacked. I don't feel I have a handle on adding "mojo" myself. All the plug ins available make for a too any cooks in the kitchen problem, for me anyway. I That would be great! I am hitting my limit with all the good deals right now. I picked up some stuff I needed and put in a preorder on my Apollo8p, just to see what they did. I have to know, I don't really want to know, but I have to know, you know... |
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Post by henge on May 2, 2015 8:50:27 GMT -6
svart where is there info on your converters?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 2, 2015 8:54:45 GMT -6
Check the DIY section under "Secret Project"
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Post by Johnkenn on May 2, 2015 14:07:01 GMT -6
Here's a song that is un-mixed...was tracked with the Svartbox...nothing is fixed, drums are temporary - this is raw, so take that into account. Anyway, This is a 2 Mix going out to a pair of FC526's - all settings the same except the first one is recorded back in through the Svartbox using it's own clock and one back in through the Burl with it's own clock...
http%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/svart-burl
I certainly notice that the Burl trannies eat some of the top end and rounds off the edges. You can hear how people say it sounds like "tape." That being said, is that what you want? That's the question and that's the difference I think. Listen to the snare. I hear more sustain in the SB...but the Burl does have that "thunk" - not punchier per se, maybe just more "round." I could really hear rock guys getting into the Burl because of this...not sure it would be what you would want for Jazz, Country, Pop...Of course, again, we're talking minor differences.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 2, 2015 14:08:05 GMT -6
OK - just listened again...hell, I'm not really sure I'm not making those differences up...
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Post by kcatthedog on May 2, 2015 14:22:15 GMT -6
no they are there and your comments fairly characterize the differences, nice tracking and capture; you got a nice tune coming along there
its like the burl does part of your finished sound for you and it sounds nice but do you want that all the time ?
the lead vox in the first bar with burl (2nd clip) sound covered compared to svart but your ear gets used to that really quickly and then the combined vocals sound smooth and the drums etc have more thunk
could you eq the svart box to sound like the burl; the answer would be yes, if you eq 'd the burl would it sound like the svart box or just get thin ? I ask that here of the guys here who have burl b2's and who know how it takes eq ?
I think this underscores again how well the svart box hangs with the burl and remember the svart box is AD and DA and the burl is just AD so the price performance ratio is significantly different.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 2, 2015 14:26:41 GMT -6
I don't know what effect this would have but the first clip has gone through svart's box twice and the second clip once through svart and once through burl':right ?
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Svartbox using it's own clock, Burl using it's own clock. 
