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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 25, 2015 8:54:44 GMT -6
+1 for Tim Campbell equipped AKG 414 eb. It's the most neutral microphone I have, and by neutral I mean it sounds real. A stock 414xls measured very flat. RE55 is the flattest dynamic I've ever measured. RE20 not so much. Micdaddy... Welcome to rgo! |
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Post by jimwilliams on Jul 25, 2015 9:44:57 GMT -6
Just buy an old Antaries "Mic Modeler" and patch your old beer soaked SM-57 into it. They even have a model of one of my Audio Upgrades modified AKG 414 B mics.
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Post by M57 on Jul 25, 2015 9:51:37 GMT -6
Just buy an old Antaries "Mic Modeler" and patch your old beer soaked SM-57 into it. They even have a model of one of my Audio Upgrades modified AKG 414 B mics. ..soaked in flat beer of course. |
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Post by jdc on Jul 25, 2015 10:03:01 GMT -6
Room "tuning" is also a crock of pseudoscientific b.s. This peaked my curiosity. Please explain, if you wouldn't mind. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 25, 2015 10:14:44 GMT -6
Mr. Slate has prided himself on designing the flattest possible mic, so as not to color his mic emulations. I don't think it's available yet. If their K-84, U67, U49, C12 and Elam 251 are very close in sound, it could be a godsend to a one man band like me. But I'm way skeptical.
Just because in A-B tests people might find they like or prefer the imitation, I'd bet there are some subtle differences those of us with ears to hear would find disappointing.
I don't know about the RE-20 being flat, but it sure is DULL !
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Post by ericn on Jul 25, 2015 10:39:31 GMT -6
Mr. Slate has prided himself on designing the flattest possible mic, so as not to color his mic emulations. I don't think it's available yet. If their K-84, U67, U49, C12 and Elam 251 are very close in sound, it could be a godsend to a one man band like me. But I'm way skeptical. Just because in A-B tests people might find they like or prefer the imitation, I'd bet there are some subtle differences those of us with ears to hear would find disappointing. I don't know about the RE-20 being flat, but it sure is DULL ! Yep but that's What Roland said and Anteras ! I doubt Slate will spend 1/2 as much on mic development as he spends on advertising! |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 25, 2015 13:09:19 GMT -6
The two flattest mikes I've ever used were the Neumann KM-86 and the AKG D-202. The patterns are more even than any omni. The problem with room "tuning" is that we hear the room separately from the incident sound except for the early reflections. Coloring the incident sound in an attempt to compensate what is measured in the room only doubles the coloration resulting in less accuracy than just leaving it alone. This all got debunked during the late '70s but reared its head again as a manufacturing opportunity after debunker-in-chief Richard Heyser passed away unexpectedly. www.aes.org/aeshc/docs/jaes.obit/JAES_V35_5_PG413.pdf |
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Post by noah shain on Jul 25, 2015 13:19:11 GMT -6
These maybe aren't popular but they're pretty dang flat sounding. They graph out pretty flat too. avensonaudio.com/sto2/I have a pair. I used them a lot for years. These days I don't want flat. I want exciting. Can't beat the price. Great un-hyped picture of stuff in stereo. Because they're omni (no proximity effect) and so dang small you can put them 1/2" from the source. Can be a pretty cool sound on acoustic guitar or piano. |
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Post by Ward on Jul 25, 2015 17:36:21 GMT -6
Yes John, the TLM 70, U89 and TLM 93 all use the same capsule. I believe it was originally designed by Neumann as a mic for violin sections of orchestras. The TLM 93 can be a great guitar cab mic. TLM 170 and U89 are both virtually flat with a very tiny rise in the "air" range. The u89 has an apparent broader lower end due the tranny. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 25, 2015 18:19:05 GMT -6
I had a U89 - wasn't a bad mic at all. Considering you can get them for around $1000, they might be the best "budget mic" you can get right now.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 25, 2015 18:22:04 GMT -6
Wow. Guess I should've held on to mine. They're going for $1800 now.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 25, 2015 18:49:18 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 25, 2015 20:04:13 GMT -6
Those umt 70 polar patterns aren't nearly as good as a KM-86 in cardioid or a D202 AKG.
On-axis response is meaningless other than in an anechoic chamber.
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Post by gouge on Jul 25, 2015 22:29:40 GMT -6
I've got a soft spot for the 202.
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Post by Rock Kennedy on Jul 25, 2015 22:44:25 GMT -6
These maybe aren't popular but they're pretty dang flat sounding. They graph out pretty flat too. avensonaudio.com/sto2/I have a pair... pretty cool sound on acoustic guitar or piano. I have a pair that I plan to use on a grand piano. Any advice on how to mic it with that pair? |
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Post by noah shain on Jul 26, 2015 3:50:17 GMT -6
These maybe aren't popular but they're pretty dang flat sounding. They graph out pretty flat too. avensonaudio.com/sto2/I have a pair... pretty cool sound on acoustic guitar or piano. I have a pair that I plan to use on a grand piano. Any advice on how to mic it with that pair? I like to get them up nice and close but I always make sure they're placed in near the strings that are working in the part. I don't know that I've ever used them alone for a big, traditional grand piano. They're really unhyped so you may need more?  |
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Post by plinker on Jul 26, 2015 19:22:34 GMT -6
I think you need to start with the smallest diaphragm available -- the larger the diaphragm, the less accurate. I have the Avenson STO-2 which are insanely flat. They are great for a lot of things... ...but they are not good at being low noise  So, loud instruments, or really close miking only, for me anyway. Note: this is not a knock on the Avenson's, but, rather, physics. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 26, 2015 21:52:07 GMT -6
Smallest diaphragm available is true for omnis but cardioids like KM-84s and D202s actually have flatter off-axis response in a live environment.
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Post by ericn on Jul 27, 2015 7:28:32 GMT -6
Isn't the Avenson the same Panasonic capsule found in a bunch of others including the Little Blondies?
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Post by ericn on Jul 27, 2015 7:33:27 GMT -6
Smallest diaphragm available is true for omnis but cardioids like KM-84s and D202s actually have flatter off-axis response in a live environment. Bob I agree but I think the general "magic " of the Avensons is the same as the 635a, people suddenly realize the overall off axis linearity of omnis! So much of the modern recording lore is built around cardiods and other directional patterns rather than the ease of working with something that acts more linear. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 27, 2015 9:31:18 GMT -6
The off-axis response of most cardioids is indeed a problem but there are a few exceptions.
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Post by ericn on Jul 27, 2015 10:02:52 GMT -6
The off-axis response of most cardioids is indeed a problem but there are a few exceptions. Yes and they are becoming fewer and fewer and good examples of your favorites are costing more and more ! |
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Post by plinker on Jul 27, 2015 10:17:22 GMT -6
Isn't the Avenson the same Panasonic capsule found in a bunch of others including the Little Blondies? I know that it's a Panasonic capsule, and that it's the same capsule that Earthworks used to use in their early line of mics. However, I don't know if it's the same one used in the Blondie or not. I believe Brad A. bought a large quantity of them when he first went into production (or at some point in production) to ensure that he could continue producing them in case Panasonic discontinued the model. So, I'm not sure if Panasonic is still making them or not. I remember listening to a Blondie vs STO2 shootout on "that other gear forum" several years ago, and they sounded different to me. Maybe they use different capsules, or maybe the amp circuit made the difference. I gots no idea. |
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