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Post by mrholmes on Mar 23, 2015 18:15:42 GMT -6
I folks.
With my new digital controlled monitor controler I went a step up from the RME conversion in DA. Now ask myself is there a not too expensive step up in AD from the RME stuff for printing the mix??
It also can be used or discontinued gear. It just has to be judgable better than the RME FF 400 conversion.
Any hint? Idea?
Cheers Holmes
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 23, 2015 18:21:49 GMT -6
You know, I love that my Dangerous source has mirror outputs at line level to print, the Dangerous stuff is really really good. It and my VP28's would be the last thing I ever would sell.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 23, 2015 19:21:50 GMT -6
You know, I love that my Dangerous source has mirror outputs at line level to print, the Dangerous stuff is really really good. It and my VP28's would be the last thing I ever would sell. I`m happy with the monitor controller and its DA stage. I am just into a better AD conversion now…..
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 23, 2015 19:44:53 GMT -6
ahhh sorry, got that confused. I use a BLA Sparrow and I love it.
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Post by mjheck on Mar 23, 2015 20:32:03 GMT -6
I love the UA 2192 - both for tracking and bouncing mixes. I've seen it used for around $1600 USD for two channels of AD and DA. I found I preferred it to my previous selections - Burl, Prism, several Apogee flavors, and my BLA modded Apollo.
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Post by ragan on Mar 23, 2015 20:59:56 GMT -6
I like printing out of the D Box into the Burl B2.
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Post by deehope on Mar 23, 2015 21:45:58 GMT -6
I folks. With my new digital controlled monitor controler I went a step up from the RME conversion in DA. Now ask myself is there a not too expensive step up in AD from the RME stuff for printing the mix?? It also can be used or discontinued gear. It just has to be judgable better than the RME FF 400 conversion. Any hint? Idea? Cheers Holmes Vp28 into svartbox
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 24, 2015 2:46:03 GMT -6
Svart box? Google it and I see that user svart is building them? How much is one??? 1K in $.
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Post by KJ on Mar 24, 2015 3:14:51 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2015 7:45:12 GMT -6
Check the "secret project" thread in the DIY section for info on svarts box. If you're wanting a "sound" though, I'm not sure that's the box for you. Svarts will be one of the most transparent available. That leaves the Burl and the 2192 - with the Burl having a transformer in it.
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Post by jimwilliams on Mar 24, 2015 9:04:55 GMT -6
TI PCM4222EVM $149. Add a power supply and go.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 26, 2015 20:52:45 GMT -6
Check the "secret project" thread in the DIY section for info on svarts box. If you're wanting a "sound" though, I'm not sure that's the box for you. Svarts will be one of the most transparent available. That leaves the Burl and the 2192 - with the Burl having a transformer in it. Transparent but good qualty AD is my aim. It should not cost my leg and my arm, but it should be a step up from the RME AD. Which is not bad but leaves low level instruments, in mix with high an crest factor, distroted. I do not like this kind of digtal distortion….
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 26, 2015 21:06:29 GMT -6
I would think that the Svart Box would be a step up from the RME.
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Post by bradd on Mar 27, 2015 12:54:28 GMT -6
TI PCM4222EVM $149. Add a power supply and go. Jim, I always appreciate your expertise and am curious about your recommendations in this regard. As someone who is technically challenged, how would a person go about racking one of these up? Are there any manufacturers currently using this chip? Thanks.
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Post by ericn on Mar 27, 2015 14:47:09 GMT -6
TI PCM4222EVM $149. Add a power supply and go. Jim, I always appreciate your expertise and am curious about your recommendations in this regard. As someone who is technically challenged, how would a person go about racking one of these up? Are there any manufacturers currently using this chip? Thanks. In your case you buy 2 convince that very good freind of yours that putting these together would be more fun than soldering Dsubs and bays. Or you go ask the guys at Electronics Supply who would do it for you and they say " yah there is this guy who looks literally burned out with a really cute kid who's dumb enough! "
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 27, 2015 15:31:49 GMT -6
TI PCM4222EVM $149. Add a power supply and go. If you read the PDF of the board it may a little bit more work than this.
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Post by carymiller on Mar 27, 2015 15:40:28 GMT -6
Mytek 8x192, or Lynx Hilo seem to be the best two converters for this duty in terms of price Vs performance right now. The advantage of the Hilo is that it's portable and has fantastic metering built into it. The advantage of the 8x192 is that it sports 8x8 IO and has additional stepped monitor control for two additionally DA's to monitor from.
There's a ton of great units, but this what's out there in terms of easy to configure (as both units have multiple connectivity options), and overall great clarity.
The Prism Dream units would be what I would call top shelf standards...as well as IZ ADA 24 units...Burl also is fantastic, but usually better when clocked by something like the Mytek stuff from my experiences.
I myself have been budgeting to for a Mytek or a Hilo for this purpose, though I am exceedingly interested in Svart's designs. Also I've heard good things about SPL Madison Converters when clocked by a Mytek or Hilo...and some people are saying the New MOTU 16a's are not bad for the money as they share the same basic chipset as an Apogee Symphony.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 27, 2015 15:41:58 GMT -6
PCM4222, it's arguably the best A/D on the market.. at least if it's implemented well. I believe svarts box is using it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 27, 2015 16:20:54 GMT -6
I have to say - I've often been leery about DIY stuff - I just have been under the "you usually get what you pay for" mantra...and usually, you get what you pay for. BUT - that doesn't seem to be the case with a lot of this pro audio stuff I've been lead to on this forum. tonycamphd built a fantastic MK-U47 for me - saved me spending $6000 for the equivalent. jsteiger's stuff is absolutely top shelf - and if you can solder, you can get his mic pres for less than HALF of what the competition sells for. svart's AD was hanging in the league of the Burl when we tested it - and it will be 70% cheaper than "mastering grade" alternatives that it would compete with. Shannon turned my $1200 Miktek into a mic that sounds frighteningly close to a 67...So - I am a doubter no more.
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Post by jimwilliams on Mar 28, 2015 9:25:41 GMT -6
TI PCM4222EVM $149. Add a power supply and go. Jim, I always appreciate your expertise and am curious about your recommendations in this regard. As someone who is technically challenged, how would a person go about racking one of these up? Are there any manufacturers currently using this chip? Thanks. Add a + - 15 and + 5 volt power supply and get to work. You can make one, buy a kit or a pre made power supply from Power One. They make a low cost + - 15 and + 5 volt model you can buy from Digi Key, Mouser or Farnell. Mine sits on a rack, wires hanging off of it, it impresses some seeing that stuff, scares some others. It uses the Burrbrown PCM4222 ADC chip set and has two sets of S/PDIF and AES outputs, both can be used at the same time. This is the lowest cost way to get that PCM4222 sound. I've used mine since 2005. So far no improved replacement has been made including the ESS chipsets. Or, skip all this technical audio engineering stuff if it's over your head, buy a finished box and pay more.
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Post by wiz on Mar 28, 2015 17:42:04 GMT -6
Jim, I always appreciate your expertise and am curious about your recommendations in this regard. As someone who is technically challenged, how would a person go about racking one of these up? Are there any manufacturers currently using this chip? Thanks. Add a + - 15 and + 5 volt power supply and get to work. You can make one, buy a kit or a pre made power supply from Power One. They make a low cost + - 15 and + 5 volt model you can buy from Digi Key, Mouser or Farnell. Mine sits on a rack, wires hanging off of it, it impresses some seeing that stuff, scares some others. It uses the Burrbrown PCM4222 ADC chip set and has two sets of S/PDIF and AES outputs, both can be used at the same time. This is the lowest cost way to get that PCM4222 sound. I've used mine since 2005. So far no improved replacement has been made including the ESS chipsets. Or, skip all this technical audio engineering stuff if it's over your head, buy a finished box and pay more. I might have to have a crack at this at some point.. cheers Wiz
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 28, 2015 18:14:25 GMT -6
Jim, I always appreciate your expertise and am curious about your recommendations in this regard. As someone who is technically challenged, how would a person go about racking one of these up? Are there any manufacturers currently using this chip? Thanks. Add a + - 15 and + 5 volt power supply and get to work. You can make one, buy a kit or a pre made power supply from Power One. They make a low cost + - 15 and + 5 volt model you can buy from Digi Key, Mouser or Farnell. Mine sits on a rack, wires hanging off of it, it impresses some seeing that stuff, scares some others. It uses the Burrbrown PCM4222 ADC chip set and has two sets of S/PDIF and AES outputs, both can be used at the same time. This is the lowest cost way to get that PCM4222 sound. I've used mine since 2005. So far no improved replacement has been made including the ESS chipsets. Or, skip all this technical audio engineering stuff if it's over your head, buy a finished box and pay more. Ok got it sounds easy now. And you think this is a step up from RME. So may I try this sounds doable...
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Post by svart on Mar 29, 2015 15:45:25 GMT -6
It has a bit more setup than what has been eluded to. There are a bunch of dip switches that need setting. There is also 2vdc coming out of the inputs that you need to watch out for, you can't use it with transformer outputs without some kind of dc blocking. You also need to put it in a box and the connections are not all on one side of the board, so you'll need to do that wiring along with building a quiet power supply. One last thing, the board has no screw holes so no good way to affix it in the box, and also suffers a bit from ground noise because of this.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 29, 2015 16:39:36 GMT -6
Add a + - 15 and + 5 volt power supply and get to work. You can make one, buy a kit or a pre made power supply from Power One. They make a low cost + - 15 and + 5 volt model you can buy from Digi Key, Mouser or Farnell. Mine sits on a rack, wires hanging off of it, it impresses some seeing that stuff, scares some others. It uses the Burrbrown PCM4222 ADC chip set and has two sets of S/PDIF and AES outputs, both can be used at the same time. This is the lowest cost way to get that PCM4222 sound. I've used mine since 2005. So far no improved replacement has been made including the ESS chipsets. Or, skip all this technical audio engineering stuff if it's over your head, buy a finished box and pay more. I might have to have a crack at this at some point.. cheers Wiz Jim has a way of making things sound really easy even when it sounds like a foreign language coming out of his mouth 8) I may try this also 8) Maybe we go for it at the same time via the webcams 8)
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 29, 2015 19:25:42 GMT -6
It has a bit more setup than what has been eluded to. There are a bunch of dip switches that need setting. There is also 2vdc coming out of the inputs that you need to watch out for, you can't use it with transformer outputs without some kind of dc blocking. You also need to put it in a box and the connections are not all on one side of the board, so you'll need to do that wiring along with building a quiet power supply. One last thing, the board has no screw holes so no good way to affix it in the box, and also suffers a bit from ground noise because of this. I did read the PDF of the board and it seems not to hard. But on the other hand it will need time. And if there is even a tiny problem there is lack of experience. I will rethink it svart.
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