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Post by lcr on Mar 18, 2015 16:40:47 GMT -6
Ok Wiz, I started a new thread. Tell us about your Delta configuration, mods, power supplies, how you use it, what you feed it. And any cool pics if ya gottem. Thanks.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2015 17:36:14 GMT -6
ya !!
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Post by odyssey76 on Mar 18, 2015 19:35:55 GMT -6
Cool thread. Might want to throw tonycamphd in that equation. I think he had a little something to do with its awesomeness......
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Post by jdc on Mar 18, 2015 19:36:01 GMT -6
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Post by lcr on Mar 18, 2015 20:02:26 GMT -6
Cool thread. Might want to throw tonycamphd in that equation. I think he had a little something to do with its awesomeness...... Anyone can be thrown. I have a power supply that needs repair. Its the CPS-150. Anybody on the east coast affordably repair it? It powers on but does not power up the board.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2015 20:53:41 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Mar 18, 2015 21:10:08 GMT -6
tonycamphdcan you talk to the mods etc about the delta please? I bought a delta mixer off Tony. It has 8 deluxe channel strips. 4 band 2 sweepable mids eq. It has a monitor strip as well.. so its a 8 into 2 board. The power supply is a CPS450 which is also upgraded, its more power than I would need, and will take it if I add to the configuration. I have long wanted a Jim Williams modded soundcraft delta, and had practically given up on getting one.. until I met Tony, here at realgear. What I wanted it for was its 8 channels of EQ, and to incorporate my outboard gear (2 Sta Levels (drip) 1 La2a (drip) WA76 and WA Pultec, LA500) I wanted the modded Delta because I wanted a signal path that would do no harm to the audio.. I was considering the SSL X Desk , and would have probably gone that way had I not gotten the Delta in the end. I do most of my stuff, on my own. I like to track without compression and EQ, and then "re-amp" the tracks out of the box, through the Delta and my Outboard gear. The delta is whisper quiet, has ample head room, quite wide ranging EQ, and does no harm to the signal. Combine this with the Motu 16A and I am a really really happy camper. The headroom of the delta , in conjunction with using its post fader direct outs allows me to balance things like headroom vs sonic performance, e.g. drive stuff a little here and there for colour. I can also come out of its many outputs (aux, main etc) and multi stuff down .. I love the Delta because A .. it sounds unreal... B Headroom C its modular and I can remove and repair strips myself as I need. I am not using it to Summ atm, as thats not the workflow I am in atm. It allows me to EQ a whole drum kit, together at once, using my hands. I have almost completely given up on plugins apart from reverb.. I couldnt be happier. any specific questions ask away. cheers Wiz
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 18, 2015 22:04:01 GMT -6
Cool thread. Might want to throw tonycamphd in that equation. I think he had a little something to do with its awesomeness...... Anyone can be thrown. I have a power supply that needs repair. Its the CPS-150. Anybody on the east coast affordably repair it? It powers on but does not power up the board. first thing i would do is unplug it of course, unscrew the lid, and look for blown fuses mounted on the pcb, the 17v section(marked on the circuit board) is what gives it the juice, if something else went wrong you'll probably see it burnt on the board. If you want to take a hi rez pic of the inside, maybe i can spot your problem?
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 18, 2015 22:32:43 GMT -6
As far a wiz's little buddy, i cut and welded that chassis together, and completely rebuilt his PSU, it's a cps 450, it's perfect for the heavy power draw of the modded deluxe strips up to a sixteen count. The mods are done by the one and only Jim Williams, the diff between stock and modded is quite dramatic (wiz can attest to this as i sent him an unmodded strip for a backup/parts donor, still not a fair comparison because he's listening to the stock channel through a modded master buss), i did change the very good nichon caps that Jim put in with elna silmic ll's because i like their smooth sound, the stock strips have 16 electrolytic caps in them, after jims complex mod there are only 8, they are critical to function and in the audio path, he used the LME49720's for opamps (2 channel version of capi's new IC option opamp in the new compressor) and they sound awesome, you could also plug n play the super bad AD4898-2 with an adapter card if you want even more juice! I cant recommend the unit enough, Jim is the man, his turn around time is really fast, and prices are really great as well. I have another 16 channel board i'm going to eventually put up for sale because i picked up the 48 channel Delta8 which i need to get modded, so if anyone is interested in that, let me know, if you already have a Delta, do yourself a favor and send it to JW, you'll be blown away, i promise 8) notice the little guy under the big boy, that's wiz's board before it was wiz's board 8) the channel strips pictured are before and after mods
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Post by wiz on Mar 18, 2015 22:45:09 GMT -6
looks like a bubba delta with a momma delta 8)
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Post by wiz on Mar 18, 2015 22:47:14 GMT -6
I also have my delta cable'd up to my patch bay...
I have its direct outs , ins, inserts .. everything!!! comes up on the patch bay.. along with all my preamp outs, and Motu 16 A ins and outs and outboard send and returns...
this way, things can go in and out different ways, orders etc...
makes life a hell of a lot easier.. and quick to experiment.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 19, 2015 0:49:33 GMT -6
Total OT, but I found this on youtube, 4th time lucky my arse, who's lucky enough to have a voice like this? it's totally unfair! and whats even worse?? he does it while he's upside down... DAMNIT!!
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Post by lcr on Mar 20, 2015 12:57:13 GMT -6
I gotta say thats a pretty slick little Delta ya got Wiz. Cut down for efficiency.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 20, 2015 14:57:57 GMT -6
I gotta say thats a pretty slick little Delta ya got Wiz. Cut down for efficiency. quite literally 8)
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 21, 2015 10:07:24 GMT -6
SIDE NOTE:
I have a buddy who has 2 young kids and is redoing his studio space (making it smaller and more family friendly). He has a nice 24 channel Delta. Jim modded amfew channels, and the master modules along with the PSU. He is thinking of selling it. If I didn't have my delta and the Neve I would totally be grabbing it from him. But if any of you are interested I can invite him here to Realgear. He should be here anyway.
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Post by scienceguy on May 17, 2015 15:20:51 GMT -6
Hi guys ! I'm fresh here but is nice to see this tread! I have a 24 delta with 6 dlx and 4 venue channels (rest standard)and i was planning to make some mods after so many comments on the Jim upgrades. Many thanks to tonycamphd for the posted photos: for me , as EE engineer , are crystal clear on what to do (some i've already planned) even if i'll not go for reducing the number of el-caps along the path thinking some offset reduction is still wise. One question to you: any REAL difference between a Delta and a Venue (II) I have the chance to find one dirty cheap here to rise to 32 channels and I was wondering if any real difference is between the two . Thank for any hint on this cheers fro Italy
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Post by welliwonder on Jul 21, 2020 11:41:17 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, I'm working on upgrading my Delta, and specifically the line input IC to LM4562. I know it will oscillate without some circuit modifications, and was wondering if you knew the value of the components (outlined in red) added to the feedback loops. Thank You
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 21, 2020 12:27:28 GMT -6
any specific questions ask away. cheers Wiz
Used Google but there is nothing coming up. Who builds and sells them? And how much they are ø?
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 21, 2020 13:03:47 GMT -6
any specific questions ask away. cheers Wiz
Used Google but there is nothing coming up. Who builds and sells them? And how much they are ø?
Its the Soundcraft Delta series of mixers. They come in a few different configurations but you can find one used for around $700 in pretty decent shape.
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Post by thirdeye on Jul 21, 2020 14:21:16 GMT -6
I don't have anything to add as far as components used as we acquired our's already modded (done by Jim Williams). It's a 24 x 8 Deluxe with meter bridge. 16 mono, 4 stereo inputs. All mono inputs are modded, master section and bus outs are all modded. The only thing not modded are the 4 x stereo inputs. I also have a (huge) PSU made by Jim Williams. The Delta sounds so good!! We used to track and mix on it. Now currently, unfortunately we are not using it, mainly because it's a pain for recalls. As soon as we free up some room in the control room, we will start using it again as an awesome tracking side car. When we got our SSL Sigma, it showed me how nice the Soundcraft was. The "upgrade" to the Sigma, was actually more of a side grade as far as fidelity. The Soundcraft certainly held its own with the SSL.
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Post by wiz on Jul 21, 2020 15:04:55 GMT -6
Hey Wiz, I'm working on upgrading my Delta, and specifically the line input IC to LM4562. I know it will oscillate without some circuit modifications, and was wondering if you knew the value of the components (outlined in red) added to the feedback loops. Thank You
Mine has 49720 op amps..the values may not be the same..... My delta in uninstalled.....I would be open to,parting it out ... cheers Wiz
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Post by welliwonder on Jul 22, 2020 7:47:33 GMT -6
Thank you for the reply Wiz. As far as I know the LM4562 and LME49720 are the same chip with different names. So the additional component values should be the same. I shall send you a message about your Delta.
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Post by ericn on Jul 22, 2020 8:40:16 GMT -6
any specific questions ask away. cheers Wiz
Used Google but there is nothing coming up. Who builds and sells them? And how much they are ø?
OK I’ll give you a little more history of the Delta Family as somebody who both used and sold them. The Soundcraft Delta / Venue family was the replacement for the 200/ 400/800 series. The most Basic was the Delta SR 4 buss 4, aux 3 band mid sweep EQ, the more standard Delta was 4 bus 6 aux on 4 knobs 4 band 2 mid sweeps. There was a very rare Delta 8 bus that was similar to the standard And deluxe Delta but had 8 bus routing. In addition the Delta also had stereo and a very rare digital stereo modules. All deltas used the same bus and master modules. There was also a Delta monitor console. The Venue was the 8 bus version with 6 aux on 6 knobs. The most versatile version is the Venue theatre ii, 6 auxes with pre/ post fader switches for each send. Otherwise pre/post aux selection is done via jumpers on each input. Frame sizes from the little baby frame like Wiz’s to a 52 module (Venue 40x8x2 with 2 empty slots). One of the great features of these is the fact that you can remove the side panels and bolt small frames together. These things even in stock form are not about color, they are punchy clean ( maybe the cleanest boards ever built). The mods will make these things even cleaner more dynamic and bring the all ready low noise floor even lower. I toured on all most ever version except the Theater ii and owned a Venue 24, the only reason I sold the Venue is My DDA has better routing for recording. Touring I loved these things, the only diss was I found I needed to bring some outboard pres to warm things up at times, unlike a Midas XL200 series but I always heard the sound of the VCA’s in the Midas so if I could do the show without VCA’s the Delta / Venue would be my first choice. Go big on the PSU, they love current stock and that goes double for modded. The only real complaint I can think of is the compact depth of these things makes the Venue modules a little tight, replacing the knobs with something a little smaller makes things better but it’s one area where some bigger boards feel more comfortable, though if you find yourself behind a Mackie for an hour the Delta family feels like a stretch limo. Most have fairly nice highend Alps faders, some have have P&G nicer and if you go whole hog with the JW recommendations TKD awesome! Unlike modern boards the modules are easy to work on through hole. The pots are pretty good but I know of a couple that were modded with higher end sealed pots that feel as smooth as the TKD faders. If you want a super cool little mixer buy Wiz’s I’ll bet you buy another frame and more modules. Both manuals and Schematics are easy to find online.
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Post by thirdeye on Jul 22, 2020 9:32:39 GMT -6
Nice info on the Delta. Our's is a 24 channel (16 mono + 4 stereo channels-2 of each stereo module) Jim Williams modded 8 buss with meter bridge and custom JW PSU. I absolutely love it! Every now and then something cuts out, and then I have to pop a module and clean up the ribbon connectors. Other than that, it's been solid and sounds incredible!
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 22, 2020 9:43:26 GMT -6
Used Google but there is nothing coming up. Who builds and sells them? And how much they are ø?
OK I’ll give you a little more history of the Delta Family as somebody who both used and sold them. The Soundcraft Delta / Venue family was the replacement for the 200/ 400/800 series. The most Basic was the Delta SR 4 buss 4, aux 3 band mid sweep EQ, the more standard Delta was 4 bus 6 aux on 4 knobs 4 band 2 mid sweeps. There was a very rare Delta 8 bus that was similar to the standard And deluxe Delta but had 8 bus routing. In addition the Delta also had stereo and a very rare digital stereo modules. All deltas used the same bus and master modules. There was also a Delta monitor console. The Venue was the 8 bus version with 6 aux on 6 knobs. The most versatile version is the Venue theatre ii, 6 auxes with pre/ post fader switches for each send. Otherwise pre/post aux selection is done via jumpers on each input. Frame sizes from the little baby frame like Wiz’s to a 52 module (Venue 40x8x2 with 2 empty slots). One of the great features of these is the fact that you can remove the side panels and bolt small frames together. These things even in stock form are not about color, they are punchy clean ( maybe the cleanest boards ever built). The mods will make these things even cleaner more dynamic and bring the all ready low noise floor even lower. I toured on all most ever version except the Theater ii and owned a Venue 24, the only reason I sold the Venue is My DDA has better routing for recording. Touring I loved these things, the only diss was I found I needed to bring some outboard pres to warm things up at times, unlike a Midas XL200 series but I always heard the sound of the VCA’s in the Midas so if I could do the show without VCA’s the Delta / Venue would be my first choice. Go big on the PSU, they love current stock and that goes double for modded. The only real complaint I can think of is the compact depth of these things makes the Venue modules a little tight, replacing the knobs with something a little smaller makes things better but it’s one area where some bigger boards feel more comfortable, though if you find yourself behind a Mackie for an hour the Delta family feels like a stretch limo. Most have fairly nice highend Alps faders, some have have P&G nicer and if you go whole hog with the JW recommendations TKD awesome! Unlike modern boards the modules are easy to work on through hole. The pots are pretty good but I know of a couple that were modded with higher end sealed pots that feel as smooth as the TKD faders. If you want a super cool little mixer buy Wiz’s I’ll bet you buy another frame and more modules. Both manuals and Schematics are easy to find online. THX for this info.
So the Delta 200 go very cheap here in Germany. If I do not mod anything and just clean and recap myself do you think its still a good deal?
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