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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 24, 2015 4:27:04 GMT -6
from PT xpert www.pro-tools-expert.comprice has apparently already gone up to $299 annually for vanilla: good old avid ! they haven't even launched it yet but jack the price 30%! this is from a new sweetwater catalog not a lot of info yet. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 24, 2015 6:04:48 GMT -6
Amazing
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Post by Ward on Feb 24, 2015 6:42:13 GMT -6
I'm sticking with PT 10 for the foreseeable future. Everything works. Nothing crashes (and yes, I knocked on wood). No system bogs or clogs.
A NEHELAM quad core mac pro with 16GB of ram, four 1TB hard drives, Snow Leopard and PT10 HD3. And every plugin made by Waves and others. And nothing ever bugs out. Why switch?
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Post by ericn on Feb 24, 2015 7:26:44 GMT -6
from PT xpert www.pro-tools-expert.comprice has apparently already gone up to $299 annually for vanilla: good old avid ! they haven't even launched it yet but jack the price 30%! this is from a new sweetwater catalog not a lot of info yet. This maybe true, but first of all there are mistakes in every calalog and I hate, hate the modern rush be it PT EXpert FOX CNN or The Hufington Post, Confirm your information! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 24, 2015 8:34:30 GMT -6
and PT Xpert indicates that and that normally sweetwater is accurate, so we'll see, possibly a typo, but maybe not ?
I'll probably not renew and just buy Logic. I am not comfortable committing to pay avid a minimum of $1,000 US every 5 years. I completely believe that once they start this ball rolling they will increase the dumbcription fees in time. Its just too manipulative.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 24, 2015 9:26:22 GMT -6
If Avid thinks I'm giving them $300 a year to use their daw, they're fucking stupid. Now multiply that sentiment by 90% of their customer base.. Smh  Ive been giving this a lot of thought, cubase vs logic?? Wiz and bannedchuck use logic, Randge and cowboy use cubase... Hhhmmmm... |
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Post by ericn on Feb 24, 2015 9:51:50 GMT -6
and PT Xpert indicates that and that normally sweetwater is accurate, so we'll see, possibly a typo, but maybe not ? I'll probably not renew and just buy Logic. I am not comfortable committing to pay avid a minimum of $1,000 US every 5 years. I completely believe that once they start this ball rolling they will increase the dumbcription fees in time. Its just too manipulative. No they make mistakes, part of my job was to double check our catalog and everybody else's form mistakes and breaking the rules, there were always at least. 10 major errors in everybody's catalog! Now a blogger or sudo-journalist owes it to hiss readers to at least call Sweetwater and Confirm before publishing ! I am sure yes at some point it will be $300 but not even Avid is dumb enough to roll out at $200, then raise it 50% ( well okay maybe they are that stupid but every dealer who isn't going to see any of that is going to tell them how this will kill their market share). |
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Post by drbill on Feb 24, 2015 10:58:30 GMT -6
This IS the way of the future for most software I'm afraid....
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 24, 2015 12:15:34 GMT -6
Well when I consider Avid's confusing approach to customer DAW service, the only thing that's logic-ical to me, that I can make any reason of, is when I forget all my math and cubebase the problem and put my studioone first, if you catch my drift ?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 24, 2015 13:06:31 GMT -6
This IS the way of the future for most software I'm afraid.... Your right. I just wonder how many will keep feeding the machine instead of learning to use what they already have. |
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Post by dandeurloo on Feb 24, 2015 13:33:16 GMT -6
This IS the way of the future for most software I'm afraid.... This is why I jumped on the deal Avid deal before Dec 31st. I am in the middle of switching interfaces and Computers. So I am buying a lot of new stuff. I am getting the newest tech available and staying put for another 10 years like I just did on my old system. I have PT 12 HD (whatever the heck that is) and the new Motu interfaces. Now I just need to find a good computer that allows me to use all the new tech and thunderbolt. The PT 12 upgrade gives me 18 months of updates so I am hoping to have a solid working solution with in that time frame? Until then, I am still using PT 9 HD. That works as long as I don't update my Ilok and surrender my PT9 license. If I had to switch to something other the PT. I would probably go for Studio One. I used it a little a few years back and it seemed cool. Plus they have the advantage of a completely new platform. All the others are updating and trying not to break older models of software while upgrading. You can only build so high and big on a existing foudation. That was part (only a part) of AVID's issues. Anyway, here's to hoping these companies stop jerking us around and offer good upgrades that we want to purchase. I have zero problem with that. Everyone needs to make money and earn a living. The best way to do that is through great service and innovation. |
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Post by WKG on Feb 24, 2015 13:53:38 GMT -6
This IS the way of the future for most software I'm afraid.... Perhaps. It remains to be seen though just what the market bears as to how successfully that future develops. The problem I fear is that even if Avid changes their course they have already done significant damage to their name, the amount of ill will they have been able to generate through this process will not easily be repaired. For the most part folks will either buy into it because they have to or grudgingly because they think they need to in order to remain relevant for compatibility with the larger picture.
In any case few are going to be delighted about it and many will/are beginning to look elsewhere for tools. Markets have a way of attenuating overly optimistic boardroom fantasizing.
I love free markets... 
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Post by drbill on Feb 24, 2015 14:29:55 GMT -6
Remember waaaaaay back? When Digidesign's strength was in their DAW and their plug-in developers PACKAGE? Back before there were 100,000 plugin developers and 50 DAW's? That was a paradigm that I'd pay a subscription for., and it was the strength that put Pro Tools on TOP with no other contenders. Perhaps Avid or someone else will create a platform that we can pay a subscription for and get a DAW and a good selection of 3rd party developers under ONE overarching subscription plan. THAT is OK with me, and I'd go for it. But $200 here, $79 there, 29 a month over yonder, etc. is not workable or do-able - it will cost thousands a year. Someone will figure this out, and when they do they will corner the market. Until then, we're gonna get nickel and dimed to death....
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Post by drbill on Feb 24, 2015 14:35:04 GMT -6
This IS the way of the future for most software I'm afraid.... Your right. I just wonder how many will keep feeding the machine instead of learning to use what they already have. I'm still on PTHD8.x, but Apple hardware, OS's updates and 3rd party "must-haves" are what is going to kill me. I have no inclination to upgrade my two Nehalem 8 cores, my OS, or PT, BUT - it's the 3rd party software that I need that doesn't do backwards compatible installers that is going to make me upgrade.... It's frustrating, but it's the way of the world I'm afraid... I'm right at the crossroads. I can feel it. Happens every 5 years or so.... |
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Post by formatcyes on Feb 24, 2015 15:10:28 GMT -6
I don't think subscription is the future.
The price pressure is down you can buy Reaper for $60 Logic for $250 and the stock plugins are getting better and better. Valhalla which are world class plugins $50. Not to mention a heap of cheap free one's.
As a hobbyist i will not be using a subscription service. C U later avid.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 24, 2015 15:18:21 GMT -6
my dreams are of a UA DAW.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 24, 2015 15:21:12 GMT -6
Your right. I just wonder how many will keep feeding the machine instead of learning to use what they already have. I'm still on PTHD8.x, but Apple hardware, OS's updates and 3rd party "must-haves" are what is going to kill me. I have no inclination to upgrade my two Nehalem 8 cores, my OS, or PT, BUT - it's the 3rd party software that I need that doesn't do backwards compatible installers that is going to make me upgrade.... It's frustrating, but it's the way of the world I'm afraid... I'm right at the crossroads. I can feel it. Happens every 5 years or so.... you can upgrade your nehalem from 4,1 to 5,1 firmware and be good to go for as long as any 2013 model, you could also upgrade to 6 core processors with that firmware, i'll give you details if you're interested. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2015 15:40:52 GMT -6
If Avid thinks I'm giving them $300 a year to use their daw, they're fucking stupid. Now multiply that sentiment by 90% of their customer base.. Smh Ive been giving this a lot of thought, cubase vs logic?? Wiz and bannedchuck use logic, Randge and cowboy use cubase... Hhhmmmm... I think I've decided on Cubase...I really liked using it for this last track I built and I'm still a little iffy with Logic. Went through all the pads in Padshop Pro - really nice. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2015 15:43:13 GMT -6
my dreams are of a UA DAW. I would totally be on board. Surely it's close. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 24, 2015 16:43:35 GMT -6
Well with console 2 they are adding a lot of value to the apollo gui and so many use UA plugs, huge ready made market. but UA has never said boo about this, but they never do, so no news isn't necessarily bad news |
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Post by drbill on Feb 24, 2015 17:19:12 GMT -6
I'm still on PTHD8.x, but Apple hardware, OS's updates and 3rd party "must-haves" are what is going to kill me. I have no inclination to upgrade my two Nehalem 8 cores, my OS, or PT, BUT - it's the 3rd party software that I need that doesn't do backwards compatible installers that is going to make me upgrade.... It's frustrating, but it's the way of the world I'm afraid... I'm right at the crossroads. I can feel it. Happens every 5 years or so.... you can upgrade your nehalem from 4,1 to 5,1 firmware and be good to go for as long as any 2013 model, you could also upgrade to 6 core processors with that firmware, i'll give you details if you're interested. Absolutely interested Tony. Shoot me a PM. Thx. <thumbsup> |
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Post by winetree on Feb 24, 2015 17:29:48 GMT -6
If Avid thinks I'm giving them $300 a year to use their daw, they're fucking stupid. Now multiply that sentiment by 90% of their customer base.. Smh Ive been giving this a lot of thought, cubase vs logic?? Wiz and bannedchuck use logic, Randge and cowboy use cubase... Hhhmmmm... And I love Mixbus. Sounds more like analog. harrisonconsoles.com/site/mixbus.html Limited time $39.00
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 25, 2015 12:54:31 GMT -6
If Avid thinks I'm giving them $300 a year to use their daw, they're fucking stupid. Now multiply that sentiment by 90% of their customer base.. Smh Ive been giving this a lot of thought, cubase vs logic?? Wiz and bannedchuck use logic, Randge and cowboy use cubase... Hhhmmmm... And I love Mixbus. Sounds more like analog. harrisonconsoles.com/site/mixbus.html Limited time $39.00
I like it too. It does sound different than other daws. |
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Post by odyssey76 on Feb 25, 2015 14:13:56 GMT -6
If Avid thinks I'm giving them $300 a year to use their daw, they're fucking stupid. Now multiply that sentiment by 90% of their customer base.. Smh Ive been giving this a lot of thought, cubase vs logic?? Wiz and bannedchuck use logic, Randge and cowboy use cubase... Hhhmmmm... And I love Mixbus. Sounds more like analog. harrisonconsoles.com/site/mixbus.html Limited time $39.00
How are the editing features and stock plugs? This is really interesting for $39........ |
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Post by odyssey76 on Feb 25, 2015 14:16:26 GMT -6
I like it too. It does sound different than other daws. How's it different cowboy? Very curious because it's just $39. I'd love to compare the differences in sound between the Mixbus and Logic or PT. |
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