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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 2, 2015 7:54:17 GMT -6
I need to have a little lite fun today. Where was the best sound you've ever heard in a studio, and why.
Mine is a tie, on a Trident board to a 2" 16 track in a Brooklyn studio no longer in existence. The bottom on a 2" 16 track has to be heard to be believed, it betters the best 2 24 track. The other was at Plaza Sound. On the top floor of Radio City Music Hall, next door to the Rockette's dressing room, was a studio that had been built for Toscanini to conduct the NBC Orchestra. To say THAT was a great room sound would be an understatement. One of the reverb sends was get this.. the actual hall, Radio City ! Talk about "Large Hall" hah, take that ReLab plug-in !! !
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 2, 2015 8:18:38 GMT -6
15 Step by Radiohead from the In Rainbows album...in Bob Ludwig's mastering studio in Portland, ME. Quite a nice sounding system in that room.
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Post by unit7 on Feb 2, 2015 8:40:10 GMT -6
I get high on good sounding rooms. Own experience - Atlantis Studio Stockholm, www.atlantisstudion.se Beautiful room + vintage Neve 80 series. From albums: Brian Adams If you really love a woman, snare room, Burt Baccarach and Elvis Costello album (believe it's Ocean Way) and Vince Gill (Blackbird). But of course can't tell for sure if what I hear on any of the latter are the real rooms. Sorry, just realised that you probably wanted to discuss control rooms..
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 2, 2015 8:59:13 GMT -6
I kinda meant that, yes, but I meant it in a way that the room could be the thing, or the gear could be the thing, or the engineer/producer, or any combination of those. Didn't mean on an album, thanks for that unit7.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 2, 2015 9:11:06 GMT -6
If I was awarding my bronze medal, I'd say studio B in Electric Ladyland. I was playing Jimi Hendrix's Marshall, ( after he'd passed, his amp was there for a little while), doing lead guitar overdubs. It wasn't a pretty place or an obviously great room, but there was something about how the guitar pressurized that room that inspired me to play better. Jimi's lingering spirit might've helped a little.
It was either Tom Lord Alge or Eddie Kramer at the board, but I have no idea. To me then, it was just "the engineer", I was always friendly and appreciative, but I paid little attention to techicalities back then, I was only interested in the artists and the music they were making, never gave a second thought to the sound. I just trusted that if they were there, they were good enough for me to get on with it. Further on down the road, that didn't prove to be true, and when I caught both a big time producer and Grammy award winning engineer with their pants down after making an egregious technical error, I began to trust my ears over anyone's.
I'd trust Hugh Padgham though :-)
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Post by matt on Feb 2, 2015 9:20:46 GMT -6
Sadly, I've never been in a nice studio. Ever. As I've said before, Arizona is a desert in more ways than one. So I'm limited to posting a list of recordings. My current faves, in no particular order:
Tom Petty - You Don't Know How It Feels (Wildflowers) Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (the entire album) Led Zeppelin - The Crunge/Dancing Days (Houses of the Holy) Black Keys - Turn Blue (the entire album)
Arguably, the first three are classic recordings, made at facilities that have become legendary (Sound City/Ocean Way/Columbia 30th Street/Island/Olympic/Electric Lady). Turn Blue, recorded mostly at Sunset Sound (of course, legendary as well), fascinates me because it has a brutal amount of low end, but still retains clarity. IMHO it sounds amazing, and has become a benchmark for me of what a modern "Rock" recording can sound like.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 2, 2015 9:36:33 GMT -6
Dang Matt, you gotta get out more. Do yourself a favor and make it happen, get to some really good studio somehow, you'll never be the same.
Your benchmarks will shift. No wonder I'm always bitching about working in my half assed living room, I've been in rooms where the gods played. Since I've used up my gold, silver, and bronze choices, I'll give an honorable mention the Bell Sound. Torn down a week after I was there, I stood right where Buddy Holly did his NY recordings, a real old school sound room with the booth positioned way overhead like Abbey Road. It felt wonderful.
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Post by mobeach on Feb 2, 2015 10:25:01 GMT -6
I thought Blake Shelton and his band doing the live sessions at Electric Lady sounded exceptional.
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Post by jimwilliams on Feb 2, 2015 10:37:57 GMT -6
Todd Garfinkle's MA Recordings label is a great source to test the resolution of your playback system. The best sound is something still reserved for the future, I don't believe it's here yet. I look forward to advancing the science of sound, let's hope designers eventually stop re-inventing the wheels of days gone past and go on to design better tools for the future. We have enough clones of the past.
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Post by Ward on Feb 2, 2015 10:46:44 GMT -6
The best sound I've ever heard has been in 500 to 1000-seater concert halls/theaters, not studios... and I often wonder if the best case for new studios would be building concert halls equipped with a control room and wiring everywhere for mic'ing anything anywhere.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 2, 2015 11:10:41 GMT -6
The Castle in Franklin TN is my pick. I've never heard a record out of that studio that didn't pin my ears.
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 2, 2015 11:43:42 GMT -6
Sadly, I've never been in a nice studio. Ever. As I've said before, Arizona is a desert in more ways than one. So I'm limited to posting a list of recordings. My current faves, in no particular order: Tom Petty - You Don't Know How It Feels (Wildflowers) Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (the entire album) Led Zeppelin - The Crunge/Dancing Days (Houses of the Holy) Black Keys - Turn Blue (the entire album) Arguably, the first three are classic recordings, made at facilities that have become legendary (Sound City/Ocean Way/Columbia 30th Street/Island/Olympic/Electric Lady). Turn Blue, recorded mostly at Sunset Sound (of course, legendary as well), fascinates me because it has a brutal amount of low end, but still retains clarity. IMHO it sounds amazing, and has become a benchmark for me of what a modern "Rock" recording can sound like. i believe the "song" "The song remains the same", was recorded at Electric Lady?(not positive), i can say i love that room sound on the drums on that record. I have a bud who worked there for a decade or more, he said the place has an underground stream very close to it, it puts a lot of humidity in the room, and it sounds tremendous for drummers who hit hard, but horribly eats featherweight drummers for lunch with no ability to fix. I always thought that was a cool and interesting story.
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2015 12:27:10 GMT -6
Favorites I've haunted,,,,,
- Capitol A is always a fav when I get to work there - and at this point in time with the options available, probably my fav. - The Village is/was great as well. - Sunset sound. A classic and I always enjoyed working there. Still around and kicking last I heard. Their API was very cool... I think demedio-ized. - The Barbara Streisand scoring stage - on the Sony Studios Lot - is also like taking a step back in time to the 30/40's and going into the bridge of the Star Treck Enterprise 2015 simultaneously. An amazing experience always. And if appropriate for what you're doing, it's like going to Abbey Road. Only AMERICAN! - Conway. Studio C I think? Great place and still there. Fond memories there including the best pair of M49's I've heard, the wild tropical pathways surrounding it in the heart of Hollyweird, and recording the Buffett crew - steel drums and all - in there. So many great studios I used to work at are gone now though,,,,
Places I miss...
- O'Henry's Studio A with the largest API in the US had flying faders and the A room and was,,,,,oh...my. Now.....Gone. Sad. Privatized by a rich trust-funder and not available for public rental. The B room with the 9000 J was KILLER for surround mixing. - Goldstar - not the best sounding perhaps - but undoubtably the most historically rich. The patina in the air of that place reeked of ground breaking artists and #1 hits. Spector and the wrecking crew's home away from home and like I said the history was just dripping. I only got to work there a couple of times before they tore it down to put in a gas station I believe....sigh - Bill Schnee just sold his studio as well I heard..... Another huge loss. Legendary ghosts now haunting studio city with no room to reside in. - The Paramount stage on the lot - at least Greg got their console and has it at the Bridge now. - The original Ocean Way on sunset. Haven't been there in years. Recorded there with my first Orchestra waaaay back in the day. I think it kind of exists to some degree, but it's different.... The history in that place as well....oy!
There are lots of great new studios, but they all seem to have a lot of the "trial and error and experience and personality of the owner" eeked out of them. They seem more corporatized if that makes sense - less unique personality. I miss the studio's built in the 70's 80's in LA. What a heyday that was back then.... The lesson learned? If you're going to build a studio - don't put a studio somewhere where the property will become far more valuable than the music and history it will produce. And THAT;s becoming harder and harder.... LA is certainly precluded at this point.
This is making me sad. But I will divert the energy into building the coolest new studio in AZ Matt.
bp
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Post by baquin on Feb 2, 2015 12:52:39 GMT -6
Sadly, I've never been in a nice studio. Ever. As I've said before, Arizona is a desert in more ways than one. So I'm limited to posting a list of recordings. My current faves, in no particular order: Tom Petty - You Don't Know How It Feels (Wildflowers) Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (the entire album) Led Zeppelin - The Crunge/Dancing Days (Houses of the Holy) Black Keys - Turn Blue (the entire album) Arguably, the first three are classic recordings, made at facilities that have become legendary (Sound City/Ocean Way/Columbia 30th Street/Island/Olympic/Electric Lady). Turn Blue, recorded mostly at Sunset Sound (of course, legendary as well), fascinates me because it has a brutal amount of low end, but still retains clarity. IMHO it sounds amazing, and has become a benchmark for me of what a modern "Rock" recording can sound like. I really liked The Black Keys' Turn Blue, but my fav is Brothers. That record has a thick snare sound, the kick sounds marvelous, the whole kit sounds brutal, as if I'm right there. They recorded those drums with only 4 mics (as Patrick said). I don't know how is that room, but it sounds great. They recorded in Muscle Shoals. There are quite great sounding studios here in Mx, but to be honest the best sounding place I've been into is called "Teatro Degollado" ...ehmm Beheaded Theater would be the translation. In almost any place you can hear every detail, just lovely. Here's a pic of the place capturaportal.jalisco.gob.mx/wps/wcm/connect/2a83f680413eef33ab09aba6de80135f/ZC_Gdl_Degollado4.jpg?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=2a83f680413eef33ab09aba6de80135fWard's idea seems legit, it would be great to have a concert hall or abandoned church or theater, ready to record with mics all over the place.
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Post by LesC on Feb 2, 2015 13:18:59 GMT -6
In the late 60's/early 70's, my group recorded a couple of albums at a Toronto studio called Sound Canada, aka Toronto Sound, which no longer exists. I was 15 or 16, I don't remember much about the equipment other than it was a 2" 16-track recorder we mostly used, mastered to 1/2" 2-track, both Ampex I think. During the same time, the Stampeders were recording "Sweet City Woman", and sometimes the engineer would play it while we were setting up. Wow, the sound of that guitar during the instrumental break was just astonishingly beautiful. So that has always stood out to me as the best sound I've heard in a studio. Our engineer was Graham Nash, though as far as I know not "that" Graham Nash. Sometimes we'd warm up by playing some Hendrix, Cream, and Zep, and Graham couldn't help but join in with vocals.
My second favorite sound was at another Toronto studio called Metalworks. It was started by Triumph, I believe, and Rik Emmett is still one of my musical heroes.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 2, 2015 17:41:58 GMT -6
baquin, that place looks incredible!
Now you guys have me thinking.. and I almost forgot something, because I was mainly thinking of rooms in studios or gear in studios, but The Fillmore East was the Carnegie Hall of R&R. There was just something special about the sound there. I've been in a dozen beautiful auditoriums, some renovated costing millions of dollars, some maintained in their original glory, some torn and shabby, but no place I've ever been came close to the sound in that place.
I used to take myself there when I was 11, 12 years old. I'd buy a ticket, get on a train from Brooklyn and land in another world, with the Hells Angels on the same block, Bill Graham outside shouting at them, and some of the greatest artists playing while I'm 15 rows back. I've seen Traffic, The Band, an Morrison, and so many other at least six times each. Front row seats for Black Sabbath, J. Geils, Ten Years After, and more..
* I just realized how strange it must sound that at 11 years of age I'd take a train by myself to a hard core neighborhood like the East Village in NYC at that time, but that's how it was here. Kids got on buses and trains all the time. We went to school that way, and it seemed perfectly normal. I used to travel by myself quite a ways when I was 9 years old. It's a different world now.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 2, 2015 20:37:04 GMT -6
The Castle is very good but Dave Martin's Java Jive is right up there with it. The Nashville studio that left me exclaiming OMG was the Neve room at Quad. Norbert Putnum knew what it was but I don't think most nashvillians realized what an incredible room they had there. RIP.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 21:38:29 GMT -6
Mine was a 72 channel 4000G SSL into 2" tape on my project in '97. If it hadn't been recorded through a crap mixer to ADAT (live project), it would likely rock! As we mixed, I had a reference in mind and to hear that through playback was life changing.
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Post by ericn on Feb 2, 2015 21:51:58 GMT -6
Take me back to paradise city.. m Well at least the legends say the inspiration for the song, Sound Summit / MusicHead, The studio at Lake Geneva's Playboy Club It was the first "real" studio I spent time at, and I spent most of a summers evenings hanging learning helping. It's where I feel for the Sound of a Neve Pre and the magic of a M49.
There was something awesome about the A -Range at Smart, B&W 808s always impressed me, but the room at Smart wasn't WOW! There was a Guy in Madison named John Matchnik, he had a low end basement room called Sleepless Nights, To this day He had the best Drumsound I have heard.
Live well give me a Midas and Meyers and I'm a happy camper.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 3, 2015 0:27:10 GMT -6
Funny how some odd places are great for some things. I did my solo album at a small studio on Staten Island, it was meant to be a little song demo as a gift for my friends, but the drums were incredible, some of the best I'd ever heard. The thing was, I think it was the drums themselves, and not particularly the studio!
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Post by ionian on Feb 3, 2015 5:55:07 GMT -6
I've played on a bunch of sessions at Avatar and that place still wows me. The sound in Studio A (The beaver dam) is amazing.
I've also done some session work on some large scale orchestral recordings there (which is pretty much one of the last, if not the last place to do large scale recordings like that in NYC) and that room alone blows me away for orchestral stuff. Even when the orchestra is warming up, it already sounds like a record. I was joking with the engineer on one session about how it sounds like it's easy to record an orchestra in there because it sounds like you can just throw some mics up and you're done and he was like, "No - you're absolutely right. We throw up a lot of spots but we mostly just use the room mics". No nasty resonances, no ringing, nothing. Just massive clarity in the orchestra and it all just sounded sweeter.
They don't make 'em like that anymore.
I do a lot of session work in most of the studios in NYC and they're all good sounding (what remains of the good studios that is, not the home ones!) but Avatar just stands out to me as being exceptional. I feel like if you could just take some young cats and stick them in that room and let them hear what it sounds like, maybe they'd finally understand why the room is such an important part of recording.
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Post by ionian on Feb 3, 2015 6:12:15 GMT -6
* I just realized how strange it must sound that at 11 years of age I'd take a train by myself to a hard core neighborhood like the East Village in NYC at that time, but that's how it was here. Kids got on buses and trains all the time. We went to school that way, and it seemed perfectly normal. I used to travel by myself quite a ways when I was 9 years old. It's a different world now. I hear you. I guess it was different times, although at the time it didn't feel like it. I took the train from Queens to Manhattan all the time back then when I was 12. The A train no less, through East New York. In fact back when I was 13, in 198x (I ain't talkin'!) my buddy Mike and I hitchhiked all the way to Connecticut and back to see the Ramones play. Neither of us gave it a second thought. Talk about a trip down memory lane... Different times indeed - no cell phones yet during the summer my mother would kick me out of the house at sunrise and would tell me to just be home by the time the streetlights come on! She wouldn't hear from me all day and not worry. Kids today think they have it great because they get to spend the entire summer sitting in the house playing video games!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 3, 2015 7:27:26 GMT -6
I need a two Thumbs Up icon for that post ionian!
That same video game/lounge around on cell phone generation is a curiosity. They're certainly less involved with music. And certainly, the little white ear buds aren't doing much toward changing that.We need to get to where everyday listening is through at least a high res file.
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Post by baquin on Feb 4, 2015 0:43:25 GMT -6
baquin, that place looks incredible! Now you guys have me thinking.. and I almost forgot something, because I was mainly thinking of rooms in studios or gear in studios, but The Fillmore East was the Carnegie Hall of R&R. There was just something special about the sound there. I've been in a dozen beautiful auditoriums, some renovated costing millions of dollars, some maintained in their original glory, some torn and shabby, but no place I've ever been came close to the sound in that place. I used to take myself there when I was 11, 12 years old. I'd buy a ticket, get on a train from Brooklyn and land in another world, with the Hells Angels on the same block, Bill Graham outside shouting at them, and some of the greatest artists playing while I'm 15 rows back. I've seen Traffic, The Band, an Morrison, and so many other at least six times each. Front row seats for Black Sabbath, J. Geils, Ten Years After, and more.. * I just realized how strange it must sound that at 11 years of age I'd take a train by myself to a hard core neighborhood like the East Village in NYC at that time, but that's how it was here. Kids got on buses and trains all the time. We went to school that way, and it seemed perfectly normal. I used to travel by myself quite a ways when I was 9 years old. It's a different world now. That theater has been restored a couple times, because of earthquakes. I've seen a full range of acts there, from jazz to noise, really nice sounding place. They care about dB's, can't remember the limit, but it's more than fine to rejoice. That was a cool time to be there Martin John Butler, so many great artists around the corner. Here it was a little bit different, great places were only available to mediocre pop singers. Most of the bands played in small venues with crappy PA's. Now there's a plethora of good bands, and most places have a decent PA.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 4, 2015 7:26:02 GMT -6
Yes, I was lucky then baquin.
There was also a summer concert series in Central Park called The Schaefer Music festival. EVERYONE played there. The Byrda, Van Morrison, Jethro Tull, Mahavishnu orchestra, The Who, and more. Funny coincidence. only years later did I learn that Hilly Krystal of CBGB fame was the co-producer of that amazing event. Oh, and somehow, it sounded pretty good. Maybe the location was naturally good acoustically. Talk about wood in studios, there's a lot of wood in Central Park !
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