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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2015 22:51:24 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Jan 13, 2015 23:15:43 GMT -6
so... there is what music is worth... 43 MILLION PLAYS!!! and you get 2300..
doesn't make me HAPPY....
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Wiz
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Post by sozocaps on Jan 13, 2015 23:25:06 GMT -6
I have NO stolen music or software on my PC! I have tried things but either buy or bye bye. I feel great about it too... It really is such a lawless generation. So crazy, no respect for people or their property at all anymore.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 13, 2015 23:33:58 GMT -6
I can understand people stealing some of their music...it's the corporations making millions with our intellectual property without paying for it that absolutely astonishes and enrages me. Why is music the ONLY industry that allows wages below minimum wage? If this was ANYTHING else, people would be rioting in the street for fair pay.
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Post by baquin on Jan 14, 2015 7:32:48 GMT -6
Again and again and again and again...I'm pretty sure everyone saw this squeeze-box.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Dumb_Meme.jpgNow, people is paying monthly or annually for a streaming service (without adds). Others just don't pay or simply go to youtube. I can't blame 'em for not paying even 1 dollar for a song. But, there's a lot of ignorance about the music industry. Most people believe, that if your music is on iTunes or a record store, you're doing "great". Another batch thinks that being a songwriter or musician or both is not a real profession. Corporations made 'em believe everything about music is just being a "rockstar" (whatever that means). Reality is misinformation, people need to be aware of how things roll on this side of the window. On paper, this looks nice www.spotifyartists.com/spotify-explained/ but it's only a small part of the whole enchilada. Just my 2c. |
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Post by matt on Jan 14, 2015 12:23:32 GMT -6
Creative recording artists today are treated like strippers: popular and desireable if they are hot, dumped the minute they become too familiar, and never respected. Only industry legends are mostly exempt from this harsh reality. It's shameful.
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Post by sozocaps on Jan 14, 2015 13:10:13 GMT -6
To me there is no justification, stealing is stealing. If the artist made a bad deal with the record company that's their problem not mine. How do I know ? I choose to buy my music.
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Post by drbill on Jan 14, 2015 14:22:36 GMT -6
I think that ULTIMATELY we will all be streaming our music. Personally, I think pandora and spotify are shameless and crooks - but - their way is the future. At this point, we're straddling two paradigms. Think about it. 43,000,000 is a LOT of listens. BUT, on any particular day of the year, on the major broadcast radio stations in just the US, they will hit 43M listeners easily - on ONE day. So spotify is not really getting a market share yet. Hence the disparity between terrestrial radio and streaming. Hell, most people I know who are not in the biz or who are not 15 don't even know what Spotify IS.
I hope that as things continue to transition over to streaming from broadcast that it will all "work itself out". Without that hope, I'd hang it up now. But I suspect that in the future - instead of Pharrell getting 43M listens in a quarter or year, it will be more like 7.6 Billion streams - and that - along with a more fair pay per stream rate - will level the playing field once again. Until then, we need to continue to fight for a fair pay per stream rate.
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Post by sopwith on Jan 14, 2015 15:08:58 GMT -6
I think the first thing that needs to happen is, NO FREE TIER for Spotify and Pandora. Ad-supported is never going to work. Subscription only services like Google Music, Rhapsody, Xbox Music, and Beats have larger payouts by a factor of 5 or 10.
The second thing that needs to happen is (and I say this as a big user of their services), Google MUST sort out Youtube payments and DCMA takedowns. $1000-per-million-plays on Youtube is much better than Spotify or Pandora, but is behind the times. There need to be payouts for stream amounts starting at stream #1, not stream #1 million. And the onus cannot be on the artist to have infringing copies of their work taken down.
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Post by sopwith on Jan 14, 2015 15:15:11 GMT -6
Thought this would be relevant to post. A bit outdated, and probably a bit of conjecture, but it's the most comprehensive I've seen so far...   |
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Post by mobeach on Jan 14, 2015 16:11:18 GMT -6
Why don't ALL artists pull their music from these sites if it doesn't benefit them? By doing so it would force them to negotiate.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2015 16:15:01 GMT -6
Good Lord...I'm old...I have no idea what that song is...Maybe I would if I heard it. I'll go download it from Limewire. |
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Post by mobeach on Jan 14, 2015 16:34:37 GMT -6
Good Lord...I'm old...I have no idea what that song is...Maybe I would if I heard it. I'll go download it from Limewire. It sounds like Americana with a lot of reverb. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 14, 2015 16:43:02 GMT -6
Why don't ALL artists pull their music from these sites if it doesn't benefit them? By doing so it would force them to negotiate. It's the old " exposure argument" People need to know your out there so they can figure out if they like it or not. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2015 16:46:27 GMT -6
And there are rumors that Spotify gave stock options to labels and label executives.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2015 16:50:00 GMT -6
This will put it into perspective. Pharrell made $2700 for 43 Million plays of "Happy." That means it took 17,000 plays to make $1.06. And btw - that comes out to $.0000628 cents per impression. If they paid the above rate ($.00521), he would've been paid $224,030. Now...somebody is LYING.
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Post by mobeach on Jan 14, 2015 17:07:01 GMT -6
Why don't ALL artists pull their music from these sites if it doesn't benefit them? By doing so it would force them to negotiate. It's the old " exposure argument" People need to know your out there so they can figure out if they like it or not. How do they know who to search for?  |
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Post by sopwith on Jan 14, 2015 17:39:33 GMT -6
And there are rumors that Spotify gave stock options to labels and label executives. I don't think they're rumors - I think the majors own 20% of Spotify. Goldman Sachs owns another huge chunk. |
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Post by joelhamilton on Jan 14, 2015 17:47:29 GMT -6
He may have a publishing deal and therefore his cut was not the whole amount paid?
It's still ridiculous.
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Post by sopwith on Jan 14, 2015 17:51:07 GMT -6
He may have a publishing deal and therefore his cut was not the whole amount paid? It's still ridiculous. Also I think it's talking about Pandora rather than Spotify, and their payout is even more horrific than Spotify's. Free streaming services must end! (And double the price of subscription services - $20 per month is totally reasonable for unlimited access, and would not alienate customers) |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2015 18:05:25 GMT -6
He may have a publishing deal and therefore his cut was not the whole amount paid? It's still ridiculous. That could be the case, but if he co-wrote the song, that could mean that it generated $5400. Whoopee. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2015 18:05:53 GMT -6
You're right. It was Pandora...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2015 18:08:17 GMT -6
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Post by sopwith on Jan 14, 2015 19:11:02 GMT -6
Terrible.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2015 19:27:02 GMT -6
If so, how is that not against Antitrust laws? Collusion much?
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